Corporations are not people. Neither are unions. They are both independent legal entities, enjoying specific rights not available to individuals, especially in the area of liability. They should be prohibited in every way from participating in the political and regulatory process.
Corporations are not people. Neither are unions. They are both independent legal entities, enjoying specific rights not available to individuals, especially in the area of liability. They should be prohibited in every way from participating in the political and regulatory process.
You argue a non sequitur.
You argue that corporations and unions (I find the inclusion of unions both interesting and surprising) are legal entities and enjoy rights not available to others, therefore corporations and unions should not be able to defend those rights and interests politically.
A similar argument could be made in reference to any group of people.
It is from individuals who act on thoughts such as these that our Founders sought to protect our individual sovereignty in the form of the Bill of Rights.
Groups of people are groups of people. They are not people. This is language 101.
Any of the individuals in groups have their rights protected and can do whatever they want. Groups themselves, in my view, should have no legal standing whatsoever.
For example, I would like to see political parties should have no legal standing.
If corporations have no rights, they have no rights to defend.
Groups themselves, in my view, should have no legal standing whatsoever. For example, I would like to see political parties should have no legal standing.
I have never heard someone argue this before.
NAACP - no rights, Sierra Club - out, and so on.
What is the point of the right to assemble if groups have no legal standing?
Unless I miss read you, your statement goes beyond the question of whether groups of individuals may incorporate to affect change.
I am not being argumentative here. I am trying to understand your concept of limited free speech.
And,
Groups of people are groups of people. They are not people. This is language 101.
People are people.
Groups of people are groups of people.
They are not the same thing.
The Bill of Rights, in my interpretation, protects people (persons), not groups of people.
There are many reasons to assemble. To show scale. To amplify voices. To get lots of people to do something in unison. To raise money. To have fun. To collaborate. Take your pick. "Legal standing" can't possibly be the only reason to assemble. It's just the only reason you're thinking about.
I would gladly prohibit the Sierra Club (as an organization) from having influence in Raleigh and in Washington if I could also prohibit Blue Cross, Bank of America, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Duke Energy, Goldman Sachs, Variety Wholesalers.
The idea of ending corporate personhood is an extreme idea, but it's no more extreme than your idea of repealing the Voting Rights Act. Both are well meaning legal constructs with destructive side effects.
How many pit preachers does it take before they loose the right to speak?*polifog
Usually One! If the Brother tells Ceasar that he is full of Republican crap and his Republican Jesus is a first class hustler who makes outrageous promises of a Republican Paradise that does not exsist..No doubt if one reads about Bible Myths, Paul was the greatest Pit Bull Preacher when it comes to free speech. Except when he told the Greeks their Gods suck in a free speech semiar at Athens University... So much for democracy Greek Style........
Then protesting with one voice at the steps of the state capital would be out of the question?
The fact is that we are allowed to petition governance with the force of many speaking as one. One of the most powerful paths to that end is incorporation.
It is sad to see so many so willing to silence themselves.
Then protesting with one voice at the steps of the state capital would be out of the question?
The fact is that we are allowed to petition governance with the force of many speaking as one. One of the most powerful paths to that end is incorporation.
It is sad to see so many so willing to silence themselves.*polifog
Protesting is stage 1 of a revolution which means somebody who really believes in free speech as a group will lead to stage 2, which means pitchforks, muskets, rope, tar and feathers, long wood narrow rails, and assorted devices that tortures political tyrants into fessing up to evil deeds against groups,and other individuals. Stage 3 of a revolution is simply the clean up after the revolution which means Treason Trials, seizing Traitors assets, Banishing other groups or individuals to foreign lands or in some cases making them into personal slaves..Since Western Civilization depends on the rule of law and citizens repecting it as a peaceful way to protest against that law or government, than one will always be a slave to the very system that it is protesting.. So polifog! Are you are capital step protestor or simply a coward like most Republicans when it comes to real revolutions?
It is sad you think protesting is primordial revolution. I had assumed the violence in many leftist/anarchist protests was a result of repeated failure to affect change, but perhaps the issue is deeper. If you are one of many who feel the same then the explanation may be a simple desire for revolution.
Sad.
However I am comforted in the fact that The Tea Party has reminded our nation how protest can truly affect change. Masses spoke without trashing the Capital, without breaking windows, without throwing newspaper boxes, and without creating islands of anarchy and brought to a halt a progressive wet-dream. Frankly, the Tea Party was an echo of the successful hippies who themselves effected change so successfully in the 60's. Perhaps it should not have been surprising the Tea Party rallies were so heavily populated by boomers in search of salvation.
I like our system. It still works.
Of all social mechanisms attempted ours has afforded our nation greater success than any other as a result of individual empowerment. Unfortunately both individual empowerment and economic dynamism have been under attack for around a hundred years. Progressives have shifted power from individuals to the state and Keynesian Theory has shifted influence over the economy from the many to the few.
However the twin events of the flourishing fields of failed progressivism in Europe and the ever mounting evidence of Keynesian failures from the Great Depression, to WWII, to Japan, to the US today have enlightened us to the dark paths we must avoid and toward a return to individual empowerment.
Finally, a coward does not defend the system, neither would a coward enter this venue.
I do both.
And I question what kind of person gives up on success in desire for anarchy. Perhaps a coward.
However I am comforted in the fact that The Tea Party has reminded our nation how protest can truly affect change. Masses spoke without trashing the Capital, without breaking windows, without throwing newspaper boxes, and without creating islands of anarchy and brought to a halt a progressive wet-dream. Frankly, the Tea Party was an echo of the successful hippies who themselves effected change so successfully in the 60's. Perhaps it should not have been surprising the Tea Party rallies were so heavily populated by boomers in search of salvation.* polifog
Good Grief Man! Any fool who has research the Tea Party movement will find it full of white old people with about 99% Republicans,[ ie.. their base of Religious Talban luntics] who are nothing but the corporate cannon fodder for the Capitalist Wall Street Corporate Fascist Pigs that fund 99% of it. The average educational level of the Tea Party movement is about the level of high senior who had to repeat their last 2 years to Grad.. Their total information network is the Fox News Channel and the Corporate talking head idiots or the Gobbles fear promoting phony news.. To compare the Tea Party to the 60's anti-war movement is like comparing Stalin to Hilter as a member of the Peace movement of the 30's.. And stop calling me a communist anarchy back bench bomb thrower who is out of work because of your phony 1/2 ass Republican Libertarian Paradise that does not exsist. You need to hurry to the big owl meeting dude and worship your fascist corporate Gods before the next Republican control Tea Party meeting
Any fool who has research the Tea Party movement...
Research?
Opinion from others
with immersion a choice,
your conclusions speak,
of the fool's choice.
Oh, I had hopes for more...
Remember, Remember or Please to remember
The fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot.
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.
Opinion from others
with immersion a choice,
your conclusions speak,
of the fool's choice.*polifog
Fools are a dime a dozen in any culture or society. Some are call Village idiots, others are Court Jesters, who please a tyrant or a King. Research is a fact and a Science! Opinions are simply myths of Dreamers or a Navel Gazer like a Greek who is puzzle over a Spartan 70 lb Iron Bar as a method of barter in trade..I suspect that you have too much time on your mind like a Greek Navel Gazer trying to fiqure out how he got a 70 lbs Iron Bar from a bunch of Gay Spartans on a trade mission to Persia...
* note.. Some Neo-Conservative Republicans who claim to be economic experts on ancient money systems laugh about those dumb Spartans dragging a 70 lb Iron Bar to the market place as a trade unit.. Little did they know that Spartans could melt down one 70 lb Iron Bar into a 100 Swords and 500 Spears on the Spot and steal the Athens Gold with those weapons {WMD]
People should not fear their Government, but Government should fear their people, No doubt you are a 101 Tea Party Republican who has fear of his own Police State government..
You have been spank polifog, now do something with your political life instead of gazing at your keyboard all day thinking you have save the Day with the Republican Tea Party Paradise
Connie Mack Berry Jr. rolled up some impressive statistics in football and basketball at Clemson University between 1957 and 1960, but the statistic that dwarfs them all is the one that denied him a degree from Clemson: a bill for $43,078.78 in campus parking tickets.
Berry, now living in Carey, N. C., says the parking-ticket scandal is only one source of his notoriety on the Clemson campus. Another involves his exit from a classroom via a third-floor window. He did it to test his Yankee psychiatry professor theory that pain was all in the head, and you could jump out the window and land without experiencing pain if you just put it out of your mind.
Berry went out the window, and moments later his classmates saw him lying on the ground. He slowly got up and hollered, "It worked!"
It worked because he had secretly tied a rope inside the window and rappelled to the ground. But he got A's for the rest of the course.
Connie Mack Berry Jr. assures me that all this is true, and I have to believe him. He bears a name that stands for all that's good and wholesome about athletics a name borne by two hall-of-famers who never heard of steroids.
One is Cornelius McGillicuddy, the original Connie Mack, owner and one-time playing manager for the Philadelphia Athletics. Mack met Connie's grandfather, William Clinton Berry, during the 1920s, while the A's were barnstorming through the South. Berry was a one-armed third baseman who also managed a semi-pro mill team in South Carolina. He had stuck one arm into a cotton gin and pulled out a stump. He fielded by catching the ball in his glove, tossing glove and ball into the air, then snatching the ball with his bare hand. His admired Connie Mack, and named his son after him.
Connie Mack Berry became an athletic standout at North Carolina State and later played on championship teams in three professional sports: with baseball's Chicago Cubs, the National Football League's Chicago Bears, and the National Basketball Association's Oshkosh All Stars. He has been inducted into the North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame.
Connie Mack Berry Jr., played end on offense and defense for the upstart Clemson Tiger football team that lost 7-6 to the national champions, Louisiana State University, in the 1959 Sugar Bowl.
He was a team player on and off the field, which partly accounts for his huge parking-ticket debt.
As he tells it, his mother bought him a 1954 Chevrolet to drive off to college in 1957. Clemson was then an all-male institution, and the closest source of coeds was a nursing school in Anderson, some 15 miles away. A car was essential, and Clemson's athletes treated Connie's like community property.
"Everybody that played sports used it 24/7," Berry said. Sometimes Connie wouldn't see it for weeks at a time.
The borrowers usually would come to him for keys. But if they couldn't find him, they would jimmy their way in and hot wire the ignition. They parked wherever they wished on campus, often in spaces reserved for faculty and staff.
"It would always be parked in somebody's spot," Connie said. "All they could do was keep ticketing it." And, of course, nobody paid the tickets.
When Connie Mack was ready to receive his degree, Dean of Students Walter T. Cox called him into a conference with R. C. Edwards, then the president of Clemson. They told him he would have to pay the four years's worth of parking fines before he could graduate. Connie told them he didn't have $43,078.78 on him and didn't know when he could get it..
"I reminded them that Coach Howard owed me a great deal of funds for under-the-table services during my time at Clemson, and that we could simply make it an in-kind trade and forget the whole problem," said Berry.
This invocation of the name of Frank Howard “ the Bear Bryant of Clemson football “ cut no ice with the academicians. No pay, no degree, they insisted.
On graduation day, Connie was handed a rolled-up piece of paper that said "Degree will be given upon full payment in cashier's check"
Connie eventually landed in Marietta, Ga., where he learned that if you burned photographic negatives, the film would go up in smoke but the silver in the emulsion would remain, and you could sell it. That led him into the precious metals business, which became his main source of income.
He hasn't quit trying for that Clemson degree, though.
"My cousin who is the lawyer for all of Clemson sports problems said the other day
that they would settle the affair for 50 cents on the dollar," Connie told me. That, he speculated, would come to a net total of $1.95 million, allowing for compounded interest and inflation. Connie said he asked whether the university would accept a personal check on a bank in Panama. He hasn't heard back.
Connie Mack Berry Jr. is married to Rachel Lee Hunter, who ran a strong race for associate justice on the North Carolina state Supreme Court. He says she's contemplating a race for chief justice in 2006 so she can be the boss of the candidate who defeated her.
Unfortunately, her jurisdiction won't extend to Clemson University, which lies safely south of the North Carolina state line. But who wants a degree when it's so much fun to owe $1.9 million?
(Readers may write Gene Owens at 1004 Cobbs Glen Drive, Anderson, S. C. or, E-mail him at genepegg@bellsouth.net)
As much as some people hate it, freedom of speech should be protected no matter how many people are speaking as one. The problem is that there is so much stuff going on that people can take advantage of the freedom of speech and use it for purposes that aren't good.
If we all gamble at an Online-Casino we will love how the gambling works and we will never want to wager anyplace else.
really about the money that buys "free speech"? There's never been a gag order on a corporation but the average citizen is drowned out by the kind of speech Koch's millions can buy.
Comments
Speaking as one...
Free Speech.
Pit Preachers rely on it on the UNC campus when speaking alone.
If two preachers together speak as one their speech is protected.
Their speech is protected even if 50 speak as one.
If a corporation is an assemblage of individuals, at what point does an assembly of individuals loose their free speech protections?
How many pit preachers does it take before they loose the right to speak?
Corporations
Corporations are not people. Neither are unions. They are both independent legal entities, enjoying specific rights not available to individuals, especially in the area of liability. They should be prohibited in every way from participating in the political and regulatory process.
Thoughts Most Atrocious ....
You argue a non sequitur.
You argue that corporations and unions (I find the inclusion of unions both interesting and surprising) are legal entities and enjoy rights not available to others, therefore corporations and unions should not be able to defend those rights and interests politically.
A similar argument could be made in reference to any group of people.
It is from individuals who act on thoughts such as these that our Founders sought to protect our individual sovereignty in the form of the Bill of Rights.
Are you being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative?
Groups of people are groups of people. They are not people. This is language 101.
Any of the individuals in groups have their rights protected and can do whatever they want. Groups themselves, in my view, should have no legal standing whatsoever.
For example, I would like to see political parties should have no legal standing.
If corporations have no rights, they have no rights to defend.
You're Curious...
I have never heard someone argue this before.
NAACP - no rights, Sierra Club - out, and so on.
What is the point of the right to assemble if groups have no legal standing?
Unless I miss read you, your statement goes beyond the question of whether groups of individuals may incorporate to affect change.
I am not being argumentative here. I am trying to understand your concept of limited free speech.
And,
I don't know what this means.
People are people. Groups of
People are people.
Groups of people are groups of people.
They are not the same thing.
The Bill of Rights, in my interpretation, protects people (persons), not groups of people.
There are many reasons to assemble. To show scale. To amplify voices. To get lots of people to do something in unison. To raise money. To have fun. To collaborate. Take your pick. "Legal standing" can't possibly be the only reason to assemble. It's just the only reason you're thinking about.
I would gladly prohibit the Sierra Club (as an organization) from having influence in Raleigh and in Washington if I could also prohibit Blue Cross, Bank of America, Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Duke Energy, Goldman Sachs, Variety Wholesalers.
The idea of ending corporate personhood is an extreme idea, but it's no more extreme than your idea of repealing the Voting Rights Act. Both are well meaning legal constructs with destructive side effects.
Pit Bull Republican Jesus's Preachers!
How many pit preachers does it take before they loose the right to speak?*polifog
Usually One! If the Brother tells Ceasar that he is full of Republican crap and his Republican Jesus is a first class hustler who makes outrageous promises of a Republican Paradise that does not exsist..No doubt if one reads about Bible Myths, Paul was the greatest Pit Bull Preacher when it comes to free speech. Except when he told the Greeks their Gods suck in a free speech semiar at Athens University... So much for democracy Greek Style........
Corporations are not
Agreed, they are an assemblage of people. What good is freedom of assembly if such assembly requires the abdication of speech?
Assemble all you want
Say whatever you want.
Give all the money you want.
I'm not suggesting that any individual lose any freedom of anything.
The operative word: individual.
Protesting at the Steps of the Capital is Out...
Then protesting with one voice at the steps of the state capital would be out of the question?
The fact is that we are allowed to petition governance with the force of many speaking as one. One of the most powerful paths to that end is incorporation.
It is sad to see so many so willing to silence themselves.
Unbelieveable Republican stupidity
It makes my head hurt.
Attention Protestors! You have one minute to remove yourself Or
Then protesting with one voice at the steps of the state capital would be out of the question?
The fact is that we are allowed to petition governance with the force of many speaking as one. One of the most powerful paths to that end is incorporation.
It is sad to see so many so willing to silence themselves.*polifog
Protesting is stage 1 of a revolution which means somebody who really believes in free speech as a group will lead to stage 2, which means pitchforks, muskets, rope, tar and feathers, long wood narrow rails, and assorted devices that tortures political tyrants into fessing up to evil deeds against groups,and other individuals. Stage 3 of a revolution is simply the clean up after the revolution which means Treason Trials, seizing Traitors assets, Banishing other groups or individuals to foreign lands or in some cases making them into personal slaves..Since Western Civilization depends on the rule of law and citizens repecting it as a peaceful way to protest against that law or government, than one will always be a slave to the very system that it is protesting.. So polifog! Are you are capital step protestor or simply a coward like most Republicans when it comes to real revolutions?
Protesting as Primordial Revolution...
It is sad you think protesting is primordial revolution. I had assumed the violence in many leftist/anarchist protests was a result of repeated failure to affect change, but perhaps the issue is deeper. If you are one of many who feel the same then the explanation may be a simple desire for revolution.
Sad.
However I am comforted in the fact that The Tea Party has reminded our nation how protest can truly affect change. Masses spoke without trashing the Capital, without breaking windows, without throwing newspaper boxes, and without creating islands of anarchy and brought to a halt a progressive wet-dream. Frankly, the Tea Party was an echo of the successful hippies who themselves effected change so successfully in the 60's. Perhaps it should not have been surprising the Tea Party rallies were so heavily populated by boomers in search of salvation.
I like our system. It still works.
Of all social mechanisms attempted ours has afforded our nation greater success than any other as a result of individual empowerment. Unfortunately both individual empowerment and economic dynamism have been under attack for around a hundred years. Progressives have shifted power from individuals to the state and Keynesian Theory has shifted influence over the economy from the many to the few.
However the twin events of the flourishing fields of failed progressivism in Europe and the ever mounting evidence of Keynesian failures from the Great Depression, to WWII, to Japan, to the US today have enlightened us to the dark paths we must avoid and toward a return to individual empowerment.
Finally, a coward does not defend the system, neither would a coward enter this venue.
I do both.
And I question what kind of person gives up on success in desire for anarchy. Perhaps a coward.
The Bush Legacy in a nutshell
Keynesian Games...
No. It is a graph of Keynesian failure.
Repeatedly shifting the future's higher standard of living to the jobless today results in a suffering future. That failed future is today's present.
Both parties played that Keynesian game.
V for real change polifog!
However I am comforted in the fact that The Tea Party has reminded our nation how protest can truly affect change. Masses spoke without trashing the Capital, without breaking windows, without throwing newspaper boxes, and without creating islands of anarchy and brought to a halt a progressive wet-dream. Frankly, the Tea Party was an echo of the successful hippies who themselves effected change so successfully in the 60's. Perhaps it should not have been surprising the Tea Party rallies were so heavily populated by boomers in search of salvation.* polifog
Good Grief Man! Any fool who has research the Tea Party movement will find it full of white old people with about 99% Republicans,[ ie.. their base of Religious Talban luntics] who are nothing but the corporate cannon fodder for the Capitalist Wall Street Corporate Fascist Pigs that fund 99% of it. The average educational level of the Tea Party movement is about the level of high senior who had to repeat their last 2 years to Grad.. Their total information network is the Fox News Channel and the Corporate talking head idiots or the Gobbles fear promoting phony news.. To compare the Tea Party to the 60's anti-war movement is like comparing Stalin to Hilter as a member of the Peace movement of the 30's.. And stop calling me a communist anarchy back bench bomb thrower who is out of work because of your phony 1/2 ass Republican Libertarian Paradise that does not exsist. You need to hurry to the big owl meeting dude and worship your fascist corporate Gods before the next Republican control Tea Party meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fcSTF352cEc
V for Vendetta...
Research?
Opinion from others
with immersion a choice,
your conclusions speak,
of the fool's choice.
Oh, I had hopes for more...
V for Victory
Research?
Opinion from others
with immersion a choice,
your conclusions speak,
of the fool's choice.*polifog
Fools are a dime a dozen in any culture or society. Some are call Village idiots, others are Court Jesters, who please a tyrant or a King. Research is a fact and a Science! Opinions are simply myths of Dreamers or a Navel Gazer like a Greek who is puzzle over a Spartan 70 lb Iron Bar as a method of barter in trade..I suspect that you have too much time on your mind like a Greek Navel Gazer trying to fiqure out how he got a 70 lbs Iron Bar from a bunch of Gay Spartans on a trade mission to Persia...
* note.. Some Neo-Conservative Republicans who claim to be economic experts on ancient money systems laugh about those dumb Spartans dragging a 70 lb Iron Bar to the market place as a trade unit.. Little did they know that Spartans could melt down one 70 lb Iron Bar into a 100 Swords and 500 Spears on the Spot and steal the Athens Gold with those weapons {WMD]
People should not fear their Government, but Government should fear their people, No doubt you are a 101 Tea Party Republican who has fear of his own Police State government..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8fI-dGWT74&feature=related
You have been spank polifog, now do something with your political life instead of gazing at your keyboard all day thinking you have save the Day with the Republican Tea Party Paradise
Spanking the Frog...
Spanked? With gibberish?
Feel free to have the last gibber.
Spanking The GOP Monkey
Warning! Monkey Business For GOP Adults
http://www.funniestvideosonline.com/video.php?video=445
Poor froggie
He's going to need some serious therapy after that.
p.s. That's pretty disgusting, Connie. Let's try not to push the envelope too much, okay?
Can He Crack Rarely, even a gibber of his own?
Connie Mack Berry,
No words of his own
Connie Mack Rarely,
a thought of his own
Connie Crack Rarely,
wit to claim his own
Can He Crack Rarely,
a gibber his own?
Poor Connie Mack Berry,
throw the man a bone...
All Politics is local and personal! Isn't it Froggie?
Clemson great parking-ticket scandal
By Gene Owens
Connie Mack Berry Jr. rolled up some impressive statistics in football and basketball at Clemson University between 1957 and 1960, but the statistic that dwarfs them all is the one that denied him a degree from Clemson: a bill for $43,078.78 in campus parking tickets.
Berry, now living in Carey, N. C., says the parking-ticket scandal is only one source of his notoriety on the Clemson campus. Another involves his exit from a classroom via a third-floor window. He did it to test his Yankee psychiatry professor theory that pain was all in the head, and you could jump out the window and land without experiencing pain if you just put it out of your mind.
Berry went out the window, and moments later his classmates saw him lying on the ground. He slowly got up and hollered, "It worked!"
It worked because he had secretly tied a rope inside the window and rappelled to the ground. But he got A's for the rest of the course.
Connie Mack Berry Jr. assures me that all this is true, and I have to believe him. He bears a name that stands for all that's good and wholesome about athletics a name borne by two hall-of-famers who never heard of steroids.
One is Cornelius McGillicuddy, the original Connie Mack, owner and one-time playing manager for the Philadelphia Athletics. Mack met Connie's grandfather, William Clinton Berry, during the 1920s, while the A's were barnstorming through the South. Berry was a one-armed third baseman who also managed a semi-pro mill team in South Carolina. He had stuck one arm into a cotton gin and pulled out a stump. He fielded by catching the ball in his glove, tossing glove and ball into the air, then snatching the ball with his bare hand. His admired Connie Mack, and named his son after him.
Connie Mack Berry became an athletic standout at North Carolina State and later played on championship teams in three professional sports: with baseball's Chicago Cubs, the National Football League's Chicago Bears, and the National Basketball Association's Oshkosh All Stars. He has been inducted into the North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame.
Connie Mack Berry Jr., played end on offense and defense for the upstart Clemson Tiger football team that lost 7-6 to the national champions, Louisiana State University, in the 1959 Sugar Bowl.
He was a team player on and off the field, which partly accounts for his huge parking-ticket debt.
As he tells it, his mother bought him a 1954 Chevrolet to drive off to college in 1957. Clemson was then an all-male institution, and the closest source of coeds was a nursing school in Anderson, some 15 miles away. A car was essential, and Clemson's athletes treated Connie's like community property.
"Everybody that played sports used it 24/7," Berry said. Sometimes Connie wouldn't see it for weeks at a time.
The borrowers usually would come to him for keys. But if they couldn't find him, they would jimmy their way in and hot wire the ignition. They parked wherever they wished on campus, often in spaces reserved for faculty and staff.
"It would always be parked in somebody's spot," Connie said. "All they could do was keep ticketing it." And, of course, nobody paid the tickets.
When Connie Mack was ready to receive his degree, Dean of Students Walter T. Cox called him into a conference with R. C. Edwards, then the president of Clemson. They told him he would have to pay the four years's worth of parking fines before he could graduate. Connie told them he didn't have $43,078.78 on him and didn't know when he could get it..
"I reminded them that Coach Howard owed me a great deal of funds for under-the-table services during my time at Clemson, and that we could simply make it an in-kind trade and forget the whole problem," said Berry.
This invocation of the name of Frank Howard “ the Bear Bryant of Clemson football “ cut no ice with the academicians. No pay, no degree, they insisted.
On graduation day, Connie was handed a rolled-up piece of paper that said "Degree will be given upon full payment in cashier's check"
Connie eventually landed in Marietta, Ga., where he learned that if you burned photographic negatives, the film would go up in smoke but the silver in the emulsion would remain, and you could sell it. That led him into the precious metals business, which became his main source of income.
He hasn't quit trying for that Clemson degree, though.
"My cousin who is the lawyer for all of Clemson sports problems said the other day
that they would settle the affair for 50 cents on the dollar," Connie told me. That, he speculated, would come to a net total of $1.95 million, allowing for compounded interest and inflation. Connie said he asked whether the university would accept a personal check on a bank in Panama. He hasn't heard back.
Connie Mack Berry Jr. is married to Rachel Lee Hunter, who ran a strong race for associate justice on the North Carolina state Supreme Court. He says she's contemplating a race for chief justice in 2006 so she can be the boss of the candidate who defeated her.
Unfortunately, her jurisdiction won't extend to Clemson University, which lies safely south of the North Carolina state line. But who wants a degree when it's so much fun to owe $1.9 million?
(Readers may write Gene Owens at 1004 Cobbs Glen Drive, Anderson, S. C. or, E-mail him at genepegg@bellsouth.net)
And for the greatest in the Family Froggie!
http://www.ncshof.org/inductees_detail.php?i_recid=230
Steve!
You are right! I was looking for something else..didn't like it and couldn't find the delete button...
As much as some people hate
As much as some people hate it, freedom of speech should be protected no matter how many people are speaking as one. The problem is that there is so much stuff going on that people can take advantage of the freedom of speech and use it for purposes that aren't good.
If we all gamble at an Online-Casino we will love how the gambling works and we will never want to wager anyplace else.
Isn't the Citizens United decision
really about the money that buys "free speech"? There's never been a gag order on a corporation but the average citizen is drowned out by the kind of speech Koch's millions can buy.