We all have to drink from that reservoir

Last week I watched the president sign into law the historic health care bill, and after shedding a tear for the pundits and talking heads for the loss of their beloved controversy, I paused to consider the sweltering political climate created by the vitriolic debate leading up to the signing of this bill. Politicians from the right side of the aisle have made it clear that they are very upset with the left's handling of health care reform, and with all of their grandstanding it's easy to forget that for nearly eight months they brazenly rejected any and all efforts by the current administration to bring them into the reform process. Listening to conservative objections to the health care bill, I can scarcely recognize the Republican party that I remember from my youth. It seems impossible that the same party that jumped at the chance to spend dollars and lives to topple two countries based on the possibility that they were a threat to our safety suddenly remembered that they were also the party of fiscal responsibility. To the discerning eye, raising such a monumental stink over health care reform seems like a cynical play for re-election at the expense of the American people.
Whatever the motives of either side, we all have to live in the political environment left-over, and if the past year has taught us anything, it's that it is very difficult for one party to accomplish anything all by their lonesome. Yet in this day and age, when enlightened political discourse has been replaced by hyper-partisan political theater, it seems like there are no other options. When Senator McCain, previously a beacon of bipartisanship all but holds up a skull and soliloquies, declaring a pox on their house, what do we have left but two bickering parties who refuse to get anything done? The good senator claims that the Democrats have "poisoned the well," but I believe that a whole lot worse has been thrown into that well over the last year from his side of the aisle, and I would remind him and everyone else who makes their living on this kind of controversy that the rest of us have to drink that water.


Nicely written


I was also recently alarmed

I was also recently alarmed to see my most cynical suspicions confirmed while reading an earlier post. This power-point presentation gives such startling clarity to recent flurries of carefully calculated zealotry that it scarcely seems believable. Where are we, as a country, going from here? Are we condemned to suffer through this political joust, with each party hoping to gain sufficient momentum to simply dismount their opponents, leaving no room for discussion or compromise? Is there any going back?

-Nathan Aspenson

Is there any going back?

It depends on how long you're willing to wait.

I'm guessing our current partisan divide will deepen over the next seven years, as extremists on the right find themselves increasingly unable to deal with a successful black president. After that, we'll see at least three generations of Americans struggling with the challenges of living in a multicultural nation, with more and more aggrieved whites resorting to violence to compensate for their racial impotence.

So yeah, we're condemned to suffer through this political joust. The only silver lining I see is the rapid growth of the independent movement, which will be pressing forward in most states to break the iron grip of Democrats and Republicans on elector politics. Though I am a registered Democrat, I consider myself an independent Democrat who could easily slip across the line to "unaffiliated" ... especially here in North Carolina.

More Republocrat federalist Kool-Aid

Nathan is a good writer, and unfortunately, he is correct. Partisanship is here to stay with half of the Republocrats in Washington in their never ending war with the other half for who gets to coerce the rest of us. The last time I checked the definition of insanity is constantly attempting the same course of action over and over again even though the outcome is a constant failure. The shame of it all, is that the once proud and mighty Democratic Party has decided to join the Republicans in this exercise of insanity, relying on the coercion at the federal level to solve every problem known to man. What is even more absurd, is that now, the masterminds of federalism (Lincoln's GOP) are filing lawsuits challenging the very system that they forced upon us at the point of a bayonet over 145 years ago. Do we Democrats really feel as if every problem that life presents is going to be solved by sending three folks (two Senators + one Representative) to the magical federal plantation in order to:
1- Fight to get back some of the tribute (fruits of our labor) we pay the Massr each and every paycheck.
2- Fight to maintain their power and relevance on the plantation as they borrow and print more useless federal reserve notes to keep the slaves happy.
3- Fight to keep the ignorant masses (comprising their political base) happy by making up nonsensical issues such as rampant racism, etc. in order to keep us all distracted while they continue to laugh at us with their hands in the cookie jar, spending our children's inheritance.
The only thing that is going to cure this insanity is for the Democratic Party to return to its roots as champions of the People and securing our liberty from a despotic and tyrannical federal plantation that can't ever get enough of our, and our unborn children's money. Unfortunately, my guess is that we are all stuck in the nut house playing king of the hill with our Republocrat friends. These certainly are interesting times we live in. Grab the popcorn, and tall glass of Kool-Aid, and enjoy the show.

Most in society do exactly what you say

Grab the popcorn, and tall glass of Kool-Aid, and enjoy the show


More and more, we are seeing Americans unwilling to get involved in politics and unwilling to voice their beliefs. Just how many polls have shown that the people in America are mostly conservative in nature? But, when it comes to elections, it is more who gets the most out to vote rather than what is the true feeling of the mainstream American.


Boy, did YOU miss the point

That is not an unexpected response from you though. To me, the will of the people is FAR more important than who can get people out to vote (some who really should not be voting, but that is something for another line of posting here).

I think this may be a different year. it depends on just how many of the people that are dependant on government for their existance are convinced they need to vote. I just read a report that OVER 50% of the people in America do not pay any federal income taxes. Imagine that. And, imagine the number of people that are actually receiving government assistance right now. If I was a democratic politician, my biggest campaign point against a republican opponent would be that that opponent is going to take away the government support for people. I would be a good advisor to democrats, don't you think?

How do you know

How do you know what the will of "the people" is? Talking to your friends?

Or maybe it's from reading polls? Listen, I was in the polling business for 20 years. I can get you any answer you want to any poll on any day of any year.

Like it or not, voting IS how we know the will of the people. And in November of 2008, "the people" said enough of Republican shenanigans. Our nation elected a man who promised health reform ... and that's what we got ... though it didn't go far enough.

And while we're on the topic, tell me this: who should NOT be voting? Poor people? Indians? Black people? Women? Gays? Muslims? Veterans with PTSD? Ignorant people who can't tell you who their Congressman is or who's the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court? With those last questions, you just ruled out three quarters of all Americans.

But I kind of like your idea. Here in Orange county, I'd like to rule out people who believe the earth is 6000 years old and who think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. I'd also like to keep people who carry rebel flags away from the polls. Also, anyone who voted for George Bush should not be allowed anywhere near a ballot.

Everybody I personally know in real life supports health reform. Every single person.

I am sure of that, James

Everybody I personally know in real life supports health reform. Every single person.

But, do they support the health care bill that was passed.."every single person"?

Be honest.

The ones who don't like the bill

don't like it because they wanted single payer. I personally am in that camp. We take what we can get in the face of Republican obstructionism.

No argument here

I believe as you do on that.

Do yourself, and everybody else, a favor

and spend more time researching (and then posting links to) information that drives your opinion.

I just read a report that OVER 50% of the people in America do not pay any federal income taxes.

Here's an example of what you should have looked at before posting that comment:

According to the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, it is true that 38 percent of "tax units" -- which can be singles, couples, or families -- are projected to have zero or negative income tax liability in 2009. About 60 percent of these households make $20,000 per year or less.

However, being exempt from income tax does not mean you're exempt from federal taxes. Everyone who works is liable for payroll taxes, contributions to Medicare and Social Security that come out of every paycheck. There are also excise taxes on some goods and services, most notably the 18.4 cents per gallon tax on gasoline. The Congressional Budget Office found that earners in the lowest quintile, where most of those with no income tax liability fall, shouldered 4.3 percent of the payroll tax burden in 2005 and 11.1 percent of the excise taxes. Their effective tax rate (which is calculated by dividing taxes paid by total income) in those categories, according to the CBO, was in fact significantly higher than the rate of the top quintile, although that top one-fifth of the population had a much higher effective tax rate for individual and corporate income taxes.

2006 statistics

Less than 50% in 2006. If you were to guess, what do you think it is in 2009?

Come on. This is just not something anyone can argue. How in the world can we sustain the expenditures the fed puts out in entitlements with only half of the people in the U.S. paying taxes.

It just is not sustainable. Well, I guess it will be if we have a huge income redistribution scheme going on. Is that what is planned?

Universal Suffrage = Good?

I know I won't make any points with the peanut gallery here, but is universal suffrage really good for our Republic? I mean, if a person is on the dole, should they really be given the opportunity to vote themselves money? If one isn't contributing to the government coffers, should they be capable of deciding where the money goes? Shouldn't voting be an exclusive right for those that actually contribute? Shouldn't those that vote also have a basic rudimentary knowledge of our system of government and how it works? Shouldn't those that vote also be able to perform basic math skills such as being able to add, subtract, multiply and divide? Aren't we deciding the fate of millions, and quite often, billions of dollars? Everyone has seen the interviewer on the street asking average voters simple questions like, "How many Senators does each State send to Washington?" and such. The scary part is these people are fresh from the polling booth and have absolutely no idea how government works, but are more than happy to vote for some nonsensical issue one would only hear in the romper room of a nearby daycare center. Perhaps it is universal suffrage that has gotten ourselves into this mess. A Republic demands a well educated electorate.

Good luck with that

A Republic demands a well educated electorate.

"Well educated" is something that the two sides politics defines differently. right now, the liberals are in the drivers seat especially in colleges and universities. Most professors lean left and teach that philosophy or if they don't teach it, they make it clear what they think. "well educated". That is up to determination, I think.

Ah, Thomas Jefferson

An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry

__Thomas Jefferson

I apreciate Bluenc for maintaining this tradition.