Progressive Funding

In the thread about donors to the various Lt Gov candidates started by Robert P, there were charges of xenophobia thrown around.

See if you can find somewhere in that big vocabulary an actual reason why it is somehow improper to accept out of state money - a reason which does not rely on (a) unfounded fear of others or (b) outdated ideas of place and community.

I am not sorry that I pointed out that there was no rational ground for fear of those outside North Carolina who support Hampton Dellinger.

What if that money came from an unacceptable source? A source of decidedly non-progressive background?

Throughout this campaign the supporters of Hampton Dellinger, and his campaign, have continuously tried to cast him as the most progressive choice. When its pointed out that Dan Besse is in the race, they retreat (a little) and say that Hampton is the most progressive who has a chance at winning, because money is apparently all that matters.

Early on I asked the question, “How do I know he is progressive, other than the fact that he says he is every 10 minutes?” The response I got was effectively “judge me by the company I keep”. Because Hampton has never run for office before, he uses his work experience to establish himself. And, for the most part, it’s a logical argument.

But, with the most recent fight over financing of campaigns, one is left with an interesting question. How about that company that Dellinger keeps?

In his most recent email, and fliers at the debate, and in just about every other possible place, Hampton has said Dalton is wrong on choice, wrong on the environment and wrong on education. So, I started doing some looking, to see if Dellinger was right on any of those things. Because I know that my top candidate, and my second candidate are both right on those issues. And not just right, but impressive. Dan Besse’s environmental record is unmatched. And when Pat talks about education he shows a breadth and depth of understanding that few could hope to match.

Since Dellinger has no record, and he has asked us to judge him by his friends, lets do some looking.

A few weeks ago, someone pointed out that Dellinger spent time at Womble-Carlyle, pointing out their unsavory ties to groups such as Blackwater. Now, I don’t think that we should engage in guilt by association with a law firm that has over 500 lawyers. But taking money from people who represent unsavory and non-progressive, that is another thing altogether.

Frank Eaton has already pulled out some names of members of the tobacco industry who gave Hampton money. What else was I able to find?

Chrishia Arguedas

In recent years, Cris has made a specialty of defending corporate officials at such companies as Enron, Tosco, British Petroleum, Avant!, and Critical Path.

Matthew Larrabee

Pharmaceutical pricing litigation: Represented one of the world’s largest drug manufacturers, in a series of class actions filed against the industry relating to the pricing of prescription drugs covered by Medicare and Medicaid. The claims at issue, brought on behalf of patients, government and private payors, included a variety of antitrust, RICO and consumer protection claims brought under federal and state laws in both state and federal courts.

Jeffrey Barker

Member of the trial team that defended the former President, COO, and CEO of Enron in a four-month criminal trial in Houston, Texas (currently on appeal), and in numerous civil proceedings

Linda Smith

Represented Exxon in the Valdez oil spill litigation brought by the native corporations and municipalities.

Daniel Bookin

Michael Milken’s attorney and law firm in FDIC and class action lawsuits relating to a high-yield bond market
Former chairman of National Bank of Georgia in grand jury and congressional investigations alleging the bank to have been used as a front for BCCI
Northrop executive in Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, Korean bribery, grand jury, and Congressional investigations
An oil refinery in the criminal investigation of employee deaths resulting from a refinery explosion

Matt Kline

Defending Jeffrey Skilling, the former CEO of Enron, in his criminal trial and on appeal. Matt's work, as primary brief writer for the team, was featured in the Houston Chronicle. Matt was also the lead associate preparing Mr. Skilling to testify. Matt assisted on all aspects of the trial, from argument to witness examination, and he is currently working on Mr. Skilling's appeal.

Randy Oppenheimer

Within the last three years, among other matters, Mr. Oppenheimer has tried cases for:
A major oil producer, successfully securing a judgment barring claims for alleged human rights abuses in a foreign country
A major oil producer, successfully obtaining a complete defense jury verdict against claims that it owed in excess of $30 million to various Alaskan municipalities for unpaid oil spill clean up costs. The jury awarded zero. This verdict became one of the National Law Journal's top defense verdicts for 2002.

Co-lead outside counsel for a major oil producer in the successful defense of land damage claims in the aftermath of an oil spill (in the face of aggregate claims exceeding $350 million, the Alaskan jury awarded less than $7 million in claims for damages to native lands, in one case awarding the native corporation plaintiff zero dollars in damages.) (Different trial from the 2002 trial mentioned previously.)

Now then, for a candidate who tells us that he is progressive, who puts out fliers saying that we should support him and not Dalton because of the Cliffside plant, are these friends consistent? Just take a look back at those names. Enron, Exxon, human rights abuses, oil spills.

To address any attacks that I expect to see, and answer any other questions:
Hampton’s father is a partner in O’Melveny and Myers. That firm has offices across the nation. Many of their members gave money to Hampton. There is nothing bad about that.

Yes, I did cherry pick donors. Why? Because I can. Or, more specifically, since I cant cherry pick Hampton’s record, I might as well cherry pick his donors.

Why the “constant stream of anti-Hampton” information from me? Well, to be honest, I am tired and angry. I am angry that in a field with FOUR pro-choice candidates I have to listen to someone say he is more pro-choice, even though one of those candidates has been involved in the choice movement since Hampton was in high school. I am angry that I had to watch as one candidate talked about inviting the people to be involved when he was elected, while Hampton turned his back on the people in a forum audience to chastise a fellow Democrat.

I don’t think there is anything in this to make someone vote against Hampton Dellinger. It should take a lot more than the partisan claims of one person to vote against any of these 4 people (And I am proudly partisan). But, the deeper I look, the more I am convinced that this race breaks into two categories. On one side are the consummate insider and the politics as usual candidates. On the other side are the liberal outsider and the outsider with different ideas.

Im tired of politics as usual, and insiders.


Now open for business

I will be accepting any bombs that people wish to throw at me with a smile.

Please though, when you come to burn me, dont burn my house down at the same time.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

I wouldn't be surprised if you get a write-up in Dome for this

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

You're asking for it....

but you won't get it from me. I think, besides the donors thing, that you have laid out a very reasoned argument about Dellinger being an insider. I also understand your frustration with the "I'm the most progressive, I'm the most pro-choice, I'm the most environmentally-friendly" arguments.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

Fair, if juvenile...

Your argument, as you put it near the end of your post, amonts to "who does this young whippersnapper think he is, Dan Besse has been around for years. YEARS! Now get off my lawn!"

We have no beef with Dan, other than his campaign and his supporters depressing tendency to get their hackles up when another candidate gets accolades from progressive groups. "I was pro-environment first! I'm older!"


As for donors, well, I'll quote the Rules of Professional Conduct:

Rule 1.2 Scope Of Representation and Allocation of Authority between Client and Lawyer

(a) Subject to paragraphs (c) and (d), a lawyer shall abide by a client's decisions concerning the objectives of representation and, as required by Rule 1.4, shall consult with the client as to the means by which they are to be pursued. A lawyer may take such action on behalf of the client as is impliedly authorized to carry out the representation.

(1) A lawyer shall abide by a client's decision whether to settle a matter. In a criminal case, the lawyer shall abide by the client's decision, after consultation with the lawyer, as to a plea to be entered, whether to waive jury trial and whether the client will testify.

(2) A lawyer does not violate this rule by acceding to reasonable requests of opposing counsel that do not prejudice the rights of a client, by being punctual in fulfilling all professional commitments, by avoiding offensive tactics, or by treating with courtesy and consideration all persons involved in the legal process.

(3) In the representation of a client, a lawyer may exercise his or her professional judgment to waive or fail to assert a right or position of the client.

(b) A lawyer's representation of a client, including representation by appointment, does not constitute an endorsement of the client's political, economic, social or moral views or activities.

(c) A lawyer may limit the scope of the representation if the limitation is reasonable under the circumstances.

(d) A lawyer shall not counsel a client to engage, or assist a client, in conduct that the lawyer knows is criminal or fraudulent, but a lawyer may discuss the legal consequences of any proposed course of conduct with a client and may counsel or assist a client to make a good faith effort to determine the validity, scope, meaning or application of the law.

Dan and Pat are both lawyers. You take your client as it comes in. You don't make the facts.

You essentially are saying that an individual must conform his political beliefs to those of his client once he becomes a lawyer. If that were so, then Terry Sanford, Jim Hunt, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Mel Watt, Brad Miller, etc. etc. etc. would be unsuitable for public office and forever tainted for having committed the crime of being attorneys.

But, hey, I understand what you're doing. You've got to try something. Hampton is racking up support and endorsements from such powerful "insiders" as NARAL North Carolina and union after union.

Train your fire on Dalton, and quit trying to start fights with Dellinger.

By the way, I am just offended at the disrespect your post, and Dan's quote in Under the Dome showed to Pat Smathers. Doesn't Mr. Besse understand there is another progressive in this race?

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

The contradictions continue

I thought you said Hampton had the most experience? So if I say he doesnt have the experience then I am taking advantage of his age. But then you claim he is the most experienced, and discount the experience of others because they are older.

You said find something wrong with taking donations from people out of state. So I did.

As for being a lawyer, lets look at who the others represent. Dan spent 10 years as a legal aid for poor people down east. Pat and Dalton represent families through every stage of their lives. That means, yup, real people. Pat also has represented School Boards. Oh what dastardly deeds!!!!

I worked to elect a lawyer you also supported. And I was proud of working for him. Because he worked for families who needed him. He didnt work for people like Exxon and Enron.

The simple fact here is that Hampton is associated with two large law firms that fall directly under the "Thank You for Smoking" adage of having to pay the mortgage.

You want to know why I am attacking Hampton? Because Dalton is a dog that is painted to look like a wolf. Everything I have seen says to me that Hampton is probably a wolf painted to look like a sheep.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

What's another thousand fiqure to the poor folks?

Because he worked for families who needed him. He didnt work for people like Exxon and Enron.* BS

Stick to your guns, you got a young suck up establishment lawyer trying to defend the impossible?

Instead, most of his time has been spent working for less than six figures for the State of North Carolina,* Dr Frank dies

How about 5 fiqures starting at 30 grand to make it sound reasonable to the poor folks?

6 fiqures to poor folks is like winning the Lottary on a 1 dollar ticket

Precisely, Max.

How about 5 fiqures starting at 30 grand to make it sound reasonable to the poor folks?

6 fiqures to poor folks is like winning the Lottary on a 1 dollar ticket

6 figures to me is like winning the lottery, and I'm not poor by any stretch of the imagination.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

no doubt

but when he COULD have done something other than government service - he didn't. Of course, I'm sure you realize that was my point.

It is a FACT that public servants in this state are underpaid compared to private sector employees of similar education, training and responsibility. THat's not really an issue for this thread, I guess, but when Superior Court Judges make far less than first year associates in law firms, you should know two things: first year associates are overpaid, and Superior Court Judges should be respected and thanked for making what is really a financial sacrifice. The problem is amplified even further when you look at DAs, Asst AGs and public defenders.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

show me

Another candidate in this race with more experience in the executive branch of state government.

I support Hampton because he has the RIGHT experience.

And, for the thousandth time, I say again that I like all four candidates and honor how they have spent their careers, though I certainly wish Dalton had voted differently on several bills and budgets.

The adversarial system leads to better law, and it doesn't work without dedicated attorneys on both sides. The funding disparities are a real problem.

And with that, I have wasted enough time trying to convince you of something you don't want to be convinced of. If I might, I would suggest that you go have a beer and let your disappointment in the Presidential race cool a bit before you get involved in another campaign. Your bitterness shows in every post.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

The right experience?

Being a legal aide to the governor is a great experience. It has nothing to do with the Lt. Gov's position. Hampton is not running for Governor, nor is he running for Attorney General.

He is running for Lt Gov. He has zero legislative experience, and yet we are going to elect him to preside over the Senate becuase he has the most experience?

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"


Hampton's supporters include many prominent and progressive North Carolinians, such as:

Dr. John Hope Franklin

Coach Bill Guthridge

Durham City Councilman Farad Ali.

John Arrowood (attorney and now seated on the Court of Appeals - first openly gay statewide jurist in North Carolina history)

Constitutional Scholar Stuart Benjamin

Carter Administration official and journalist Hodding Carter III

Mayor Kevin C. Foy

This game is fun!

Bottom line is that Hampton has spent his entire adult life working in North Carolina. Most of it for the people of North Carolina. He could have left Yale Law School and gone right into a firm in New York and stayed there. He'd be a partner by now pulling in several million dollars a year.

Instead, most of his time has been spent working for less than six figures for the State of North Carolina, with a few years recently working for a law firm - one that has a client you dont like (and which Hampton never worked for), but which also is leading a nationwide effort to represent disabled veterans on a pro bono publico basis.

Taking shots at lawyers is easy. So easy, Lauch Faircloth tried it.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Wait a minute

At the last debate he talked about working in Baltimore. Which is it? Did he work in Baltimore or did he spend his entire adult life in NC?

Look I dont care. If Hampton is to believed about the type of people he was helping in Baltimore, then he should be proud of what he did. Although he did trail off and was very obvious in leaving off some of the people he worked for.

But this is yet another case where hyperbole has ruled the day. Hampton is supposedly the most progressive. Although actually he is isnt. Hampton has lived his entire adult life working in NC. Although actually he hasnt. Hampton didnt spend his time getting rich. And yet his campaign is funded by people who did.

Hampton isnt about personal attacks, he is about a debate on the issues. Except when Pat disagreed with him about how to stop college drop outs, he attacked. He says that Dalton is against education funding, because of one vote, while ignoring every other thing that Dalton has done in the State Senate. He says that he was always against the Cliffside plant, even though he didnt a damn thing about it when he had some actual power because he was "too busy with other things".

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"


Hampton or any of his supporters has said on this site remotely compares to the vitriol you dished in this thread.

So why don't you climb up out of that gutter and tell me how much you admire clean campaigns.

And, for the record, I should have said "almost" before "entire." He did spend a short time after his clerkship working in DC before he came back home.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire


I guess it is just as fair to judge a person by who they take money from as it is a small portion of their voting record. BTW, Dalton took money from a the Green Industry Council. Interesting considering the heat he takes on the Cliffside plant.

Who's We?

"We have no beef with Dan..."

Who's we, DrFrank? Do you have an official position within the Dellinger campaign? Just curious.

I'd like for folks to take a look at the other progressives in this race, Pat Smathers and Dan Besse. While Dalton and Dellinger are status quo insiders, Besse and Smathers are people who have worked with people like us. I understand that the Raleigh Club feels entitled to automatic support no matter what they say or do, but there are many of us who are interested in fundamental change.

I'm sure Hampton means well. His attack campaign, majority out-of-state fundraising, and surrogate vitriol aside - he would be a better LG than Dalton. Fortunately for the voters, there are two other candidates who are running cleaner campaigns and guaranteeing that the Raleigh Club gets a vetting, not a coronation.

Scrutiny Hooligans -

people who support hampton

I am a volunteer.

I'm done tit for tatting with you. You have your wrong opinion. You're entitled to it.

PS - on edit - if Hampton gets blamed for my posts, then hold Besse responsible for Frank Eaton and Blue South's extremely negative posts.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Just the facts:

1. Hampton Dellinger is the son of Walter Dellinger.

2. Walter Dellinger is head of the appellate practice at O'Melveny and Myers in Washington DC.

3. Hampton Dellinger has never practiced law with O'Melveny and Myers.

4. The Dellinger campaign has raised a considerable amount of money from attorneys at O'Melveny and Myers.

5. Walter Dellinger has personally loaned the Dellinger campaign $200,000.

6. This all falls safely within the range of applicable campaign finance laws (ie: None of this is illegal).

7. These points, both jointly and severally, make the Dellinger campaign vulnerable to criticism from opponents in the primary and in the general election, should he secure the nomination of his party.

8. Hampton Dellinger is a gentleman currently engaged in a primary contest between four Democratic candidates for the office of Lieutenant governor of North Carolina.

9. The bloggers known as "DrFrankLives" and "BlueSouth", as well as Frank Eaton of Winston-Salem, are not currently receiving financial remuneration from any of the aforementioned candidates.

10. The Freedom of Speech is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

11. Politics is a battle of wits and most respectable when conducted in the light of day and in the public arena.

12. BlueNC is a free and open forum dedicated to the discussion of Progressive Democratic principles and ideas and the projects and candidacies of those engaged therein.

13. The intersection of campaign finance and media accessibility are pet issues of mine.

14. The Dellinger campaign offends my sensibilities in the prosecution of their fundraising.

15. It is acceptable that I should pursue these arguments here, within the rules of the forum.

I'm almost afraid to post this, but

doing my own due diligence on Dalton's record, his history of supporting programs that I find very important to NC, such as Smart Start, as well as his early involvement in Rutherford County in starting family support programs, makes him my no. 2 choice.

Don't read this the wrong way - Besse and Smathers are both my no. 1 choice, and I will undoubtedly vote for one of them in the Primary.

I'm sure that this will bring a new round of reasons why I should vote for Dellinger. At this point, it doesn't matter.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

You, (almost) afraid to post something on BlueNC!?

Ok, who are you and what have you done with the real lcloud? (wink)

It's a fair comment, don't be worried.

All the LG candidates have sensible positions on most issues. They have differing track records and paths of experience which is where the choice seems to lie, imo.

I haven't made my mind up (and wouldn't make an endorsement if I had), but I will say that in Hamlet I mentioned to the Dellinger campaign that their edginess was a turnoff. I really don't want another campaign to descend into mudslinging and tit for tat one upsmanship. Please don't take this as a slam at Hamp as I still might vote for him. We sat next to each other at JJ last year and had a very nice conversation.
I have until May 6 to make up my mind, and there's a lot of campaigning left to do for all these candidates. I hope to watch one of the debates in person.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?


I'm not usually afraid to say or post anything. But...The real lcloud is worried about starting trouble, instead of having an adult discussion - but I had to put it out there that I had changed my mind about Dalton. He's establishment, yes, he's arguably not as progressive as the others, but he has a record of supporting the family issues that are most important to me. I'm not a one issue voter, but like everyone, I tend to put things through my own filters, which are informed by my own experience and knowledge.

Smart Start, family support, and early childhood issues are the nearest and dearest to my heart. Dalton has a good record on those things. So while he doesn't have the progressive edge that Besse has, or the populist edge that Smathers has, he gets credit from me for having a long history of supporting those issues.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

why should

Anyone have a problem with you stating a fair statement based on some facts?

I got nothing against that. That's fair game.

It's unfair innuendo that bothers me.

"85% of Republicans are Democrats who don't know what's going on." -Robert Kennedy, Jr.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

You are right...

And he's getting better, particularly in the debates, at getting that message across.

I'll put money on the fact that we see him chilling with some kindergardeners in his TV ads some day...