Please Navy Review History - and Your OLF Statements

Floating flight deck

“You can make it as big as you want,” Khachaturian said in a telephone interview Tuesday. “If what the Navy needs is 2,000 acres, there is no question that is a possibility.”

The proposal may be cost prohibitive. The acre-sized components cost from $20 million to $30 million each, depending on how much weight they are designed to support. Two thousand such components would therefore run the Navy from about $40 billion to $60 billion.

The estimated cost to acquire land and construct the facilities needed for an OLF on land is $231 million, according to the Navy’s draft environmental impact statement released in February.

Once built, the platform could be moored to the sea bed with cables. Computers could be used to position the platform or move it to different locations, Khachaturian said. The system floats optimally in water 1,000 feet deep or more, Khachaturian said.

The average flight deck of a super carrier is 4.5 acres. The cost / acre is $25m avg/ acre. So this thing can be 9 to 10 acres.

The Navy does not need 2000 acres for this runway. 2000 acres is the core area that houses the refueling pits, LSO buildings, 8000 feet runway, admin building, etc, etc etc for this OLF.

The Navy does not need a floating platform that will stop a plane. It needs enough of a platform to give a pilot some overflight. All the pilot has to do is touch down, apply power, and take back off without ever stopping.

The Navy does not need a floating platform that will hold up a very heavy airplane.

If the Navy is truly wanting realistic training in a safe manor, this thing could be that answer.

An acre is 208.7 feet square. So ten of these blocks would be a platform 208 x 2080. The landing strip of a carrier is much smaller and narrower then this. Would appear to be plenty of room for error.

The Navy needs to investigate this better.

The Navy can use this for pilots that are experienced and as an overflow if they so desire for Fentress. The pilots fly a few times at Fentress then move out to this thing. Do not have to make the new guys come to this thing first thing. The experienced guys come to this. The training squadron guys never come to this.....

With simulators, Fentress, this thing, no one needs to lose any land anywhere. And this satisfies the Navy's wants.

1890s no one thought man could fly.

1900s planes would never fly from a ship.

1910s planes start flying from ships.

1920s a plane would never sink a battleship. The battleship WAS the ship of the line. Carriers were support vessels.

1941 planes desimated the 7th fleet but failed to sink American Carriers. The Carrier became the ship of the line.

1942 first time two fleets fight each other without ever seeing each other. Carrier vs Carrier.

1945 Planes sink the Musashi, worlds largest Battleship ever in open waters.

Everything mentioned above, either man or Naval Officers said would never happen.

Now Naval Officers are saying a floating air field will not work. History seems destined to repeat again.

Frontpaged and embellished (with the photograph) by Anglico. This image is from the company Versabuoy that produces floating platforms. It's very cool stuff. Check out their site.

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More on floating OLFs

How's this for a photo? (From the Versabuoy website).

From the Desk of the NAVFAC Admiral

Someone keelhaul that Anglico guy in North Carolina. Son of a ......... How the heck can I possibly kick people off their farms, if he keeps showing these dam pictures.

Commander, get in my office and spin something that discredits this dam picture. I do not ever want to see another floating anything showing planes taking off and landing.

But admiral, we wont be able to display a carrier at sea anymore.

Ensign,,,,,,did you hear me....spin this so I can have my OLF in North dam Carolina. I do not care what or how you do it. Tell them silly farmers that dam picture is found on another planet or something. Find some gullible North Carolina politician and offer him something for my OLF... A shiny new bike. Thats it, them politicans will take that.

I want my OLF,,,,, I want my OLF

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I was an admiral's aide for a year. This is too close to real . . . I'm having bad flashbacks!

Did you see the plane?

It is a Navy plane! Thats tooo dam funny.

Ha!

I thought it might be the space shuttle there for a minute . . .

:)

Back to the Future Habakkuk Solves Dole and Navy problem

It should be noted that this solution was given to Senator Dole last week! She was so excited that she demanded that the Navy order 5 Frosty type Carriers and locate them off the coast of Florida and the Gulf of Mexico to keep the Isamlo-fascist terrorists from rowboating into the USA.

Project Habakkuk

Project Habakkuk or Habbakuk (spelling varies; see below) was a plan by the British in World War II to construct an aircraft carrier out of Pykrete (a mixture of wood pulp and ice), for use against German U-boats in the mid-Atlantic, which was out of range of land-based planes.

The Habakkuk, as proposed to Winston Churchill by Lord Mountbatten and Geoffrey Pyke in December 1942, was to be approximately 2,000 feet long and 300 feet wide, with a deck-to-keel depth of 200 feet, and walls 40 feet thick.[1] It was to have a draft of 150 feet, and a displacement of 2,000,000 tons or more, to be constructed in Canada from 280,000 blocks of ice.[2] (For comparison, an Essex-class carrier displaced 35,000 tons.) In 1943 Montreal Engineering Company Ltd.—now AMEC—at the request of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, undertook its first-ever commission from an outside organization: Project Habbakuk, the code name for an unusual idea originating with a scientist in the British Admiralty. The plan called for breaking off huge sheets of ice from the Arctic icecap, towing them to the war zone in the mid-Atlantic, and using them as landing fields for aircraft—a sort of combination iceberg-aircraft carrier. When that idea proved not feasible, research shifts to investigating the possibility of building a huge ship of more conventional design—entirely out of ice. The idea was scrapped the same year. The building material was later changed to a mixture of ice and wood pulp known as Pykrete after Pyke, who proposed the Habakkuk project—the material was invented by others. The ship's deep draft would have kept it out of most harbours. Inside the vessel a refrigeration plant would maintain the structure against melting. The ship would have extremely limited manoeuvrability, but was expected to be capable of up to 10 knots (18 km/h) using 26 electric drive motors mounted in separate external nacelles (normal, internal ship engines would have generated too much heat for an ice craft).[citation needed] Its armaments would have included 40 dual-barrelled 4.5" DP (dual-purpose) turrets and numerous light anti-aircraft guns, and it would have housed an airstrip and up to 150 twin-engined bombers or fighters.[citation needed]
A block of Pykrete

The Habakkuk was imagined to be virtually unsinkable as it would have effectively been a streamlined iceberg or floating island kept afloat by the buoyancy of its construction materials, and to be highly resilient to damage by virtue of its sheer bulk.

At the Quebec Conference of 1943 Lord Mountbatten brought a block of Pykrete along to demonstrate its potential to the bevy of admirals and generals who had come along with Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt. Mountbatten entered the project meeting with two blocks and placed them on the ground. One was a normal ice block and the other was Pykrete. He then drew his service pistol and shot at the first block. It shattered and splintered. Next, he fired at the Pykrete to give an idea of the resistance of that kind of ice to projectiles. The bullet ricocheted off the block, grazing the trouser leg of Admiral Ernest King and ending up in the wall. The Admiral was impressed by Mountbatten's unorthodox demonstration.

It was projected to take $70 million and 8,000 people working for eight months to construct it,[citation needed] an expenditure which the British were unwilling to make at the time on such an experimental craft. Experiments on ice and pykrete as construction materials were carried out at Lake Louise, Alberta, and a small prototype was constructed at Patricia Lake, Alberta, measuring only 60 feet by 30 feet (18 by 9 m), weighing in at 1,000 tons and kept frozen by a one-horsepower motor.[2] Work on the project continued through 1943, but major doubts as to feasibility had surfaced by October, and abandonment was recommended in January 1944, by when the Atlantic Gap had already been closed by long-ranged land-based aircraft. It took three hot summers to completely melt the prototype constructed in Canada. The use of ice had actually been falling out of favour before that, with other ideas for "floating islands" being considered, such as welding Liberty Ships or landing craft together (Project TENTACLE).[3] The ice Habakkuk itself was never begun.

So there is History

FOR a floating airstrip.

Another fly on the wall report out of the NAVFAC Admirals office.

Ensign,,,,,just who taught those dam farmers how to read? I thought you people said them folks in North Carolina could not read... Now they done gone out and found where the BRITS in 1940 could make a freaking 2 million ton floating chunk of ice into an airstrip. And we are saying the US Navy cant make a floating air field work in 2010?

Keep this up, and you gonna be a midshipman. Or worse, I will promote you to my staff. O wait, your there now.

OOOO i got it, you can discredit this ice flow story by saying the noise from the jets is so great that it will via harmonics crack the ice and the floating platform will sink into the Ocean.

NONONO, tell em that a floating airstrip would have to be placed to far out to sea and we would not be able to find it. Yea, that is it, it will be to dark out there for us to find this floating airstrip and thus unsafe for us to go to. Them farmers down there do not know about radar, communication equipment, GPS. They will buy it. Baffle em with brilliance ensign.

Ice flows, come on....now they think all our pilots are clint eastwood stealing a jet from the Russians.

Goose Soup for Liddy Dole?

So there is History

FOR a floating airstrip.* parmea

You got that right! In fact I have made a model for the Navy to check out and use in their quest to solve the Liddy Dole mess in down east North Carolina.

I simply took out a ice tray from my freezer and floated it in my frying pan on the stove and shook a whole bottle of Pepper over the ice float, so the Pepper would be the 70 thousand Snow Greese that DQ saw last week.

After blowing my nose for a hour with tears pouring down my face and stumbling all over the stove, I realize that I had turn on the stove eye by accident melting my model aircraft carrier for the Navy and Liddy Dole.

I decided to send the model aircraft carrier to Senator Dole office mark " Hot Pepper Soup for your eyes only Liddy" Don't you just love all of this secret Hush, Hush National Security stuff?

No, Justin, the earth really is round

he he

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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I guess...

its not as out there as I thought.

Hey A, I saw 70,000 snow geese last weekend

In Delaware. Didn't have my camera but they were split into two groups on either side of the beach road. When they got scared (by an eagle) all of them circled and fussed. Amazing.

That the Navy thought they could actually fly planes anywhere near this amazing spectacle makes me doubt for the security of our country. They must be total idiots.
 
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

Isn't that an amazing sight?

We saw about the same number in Washington County last January . . . an extraordinary spectacle.

And yes, they are total idiots.

Where is that video?

Wasn't there a couple minute long video of this?

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

the great thing about being undecided....

is that I feel no pressure to say anything they come out with is a good idea if I don't like it, or to slam the other candidates plans when they come out. How refreshing.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I don't have a snow geese vid

but I used to have a link to a video of an Canadian air force jet going down into a corn field (in less an a minute) from a red tailed hawk meets engine incident. (the student pilot and his instructor ejected safely)

And snow geese are way the fuck bigger than even the biggest red tailed.
 
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

I seem to remember something, maybe an audio at the OLF site...

of birds (geese?) passing overhead making a ruckus for about two straight minutes.

Anyone?

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me