Pat McCrory hopes you're stupid

I spent an hour this morning studying Pat McCrory's record and his positions. The picture that emerges isn't pretty. He appears to be cut from the same piece of rotten wood as Dick Cheney and John McCain when it comes to free-market fanaticism, especially in regards to energy and health care. In regard to the latter, he is undeniably a threat to the well-being of most North Carolina families. Plus he thinks we're stupid.

Caring for the citizens of North Carolina is our moral right. The state has a responsibility to ensure that our health care system consistently provides the highest quality of care so that the people of North Carolina may lead more productive, healthier, and happier lives. As governor I will do this by:

Reduce State Mandates.
State mandates increase the cost of health insurance. Unfortunately, North Carolina has 47 private insurance mandates that are estimated to increase insurance premiums by more than 41 percent. In addition, these mandates tend to dis-proportionately affect small businesses and individuals. We need to reduce these mandates to make health insurance more affordable.

What the hell does this mean?

Caring for the citizens of North Carolina is our moral right.

It means absolutely nothing. Instead of simply writing that healthcare is a right, Mayor Pat gives the illusion of saying something important. Caring for the citizens of North Carolina is our moral right? What an idiotic statement!

More important, McCrory then goes on to advocate reducing "mandates" on insurance companies. He wants to free insurance companies not to cover many of the basic services that help people stay healthy. He wants to free insurance companies to make money preying on poor people ... just like the deregulated banking industry has been doing. In short, McCrory wants to do to our healthcare system what George Bush and John McCain did to our financial system.

Pat McCrory is counting on the people of North Carolina to be stupid and vote against their own well-being. It's the Republican way.

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I think he is saying just what he means.

There has been talk in the past that if we didn't have Medicaid and Medicare, then charities would do more to help poor people. I think what Pat is saying is that it isn't an inalienable right to have health care, but that it is our MORAL right to take care of people. In other words, get government out of insurance and the free market and charity will take care of the sick and elderly that cannot take care of themselves.

Right.

"You could say, 'Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted?' Most of us have never heard of him before." John McCain, following Clinton's strikes on al Qaeda camps

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

He's an idiot then

If that's what he meant, he should have said "moral responsibility." The sentence makes no sense.
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Doubts about Dole?

It's Republican double-speak

The avoidance of the word "responsibility" is intentional, because they believe the responsibility lies solely on the shoulders of the individual, not the collective. But the statement is also supposed to make people think he's going to help them, when in fact all he plans to do is make incomplete and insufficient health "coverage" available by stripping away mandates. Mandates that were put in place so people wouldn't find themselves paying insurance premiums and a crapload of out-of-pocket medical bills.

21st Century snake-oil salesman.

Really.

"Merrill" you've been a member for 14 minutes and your first act is to post three Republican YouTube videos? Wow, you've convinced me, I'm voting for Pat McCrory!!!

"You could say, 'Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted?' Most of us have never heard of him before." John McCain, following Clinton's strikes on al Qaeda camps

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Really Really

It is what it is. There are plenty of other Democrats out there just like me who feel the same way about Bev. They just might not admit it.

The early days of the Moore campaign?

I don't remember a bunch of new folks who showed up "oh-so-concerned" etc . . . but I could certainly vouch for the legitimacy of concerns about Perdue within the Democratic party. They still exist.

And while I'm fairly sure that this comment is your catty way of taking another gratuitous slap at me, I am doubtful that you could state with certainty that my concerns about Perdue are "Bush-league."

Like it or not, I'm familiar with the party, familiar with the players, and worse for you, I'm not a troll, not a knee-jerk reactionary, and not inexperienced with the politics involved or unaware of the implications for the state.

One of your problems is that people who are familiar with my comments about candidates know that I'm no closet Republican. People who know me in Democratic party circles know that I care deeply about what happens to it. I suspect that another of your problems is that you know it, too.

Get a grip.

There were some Moore campaign persons coming on as concerned citizens, that is what James is trying to describe without pointing out again that they were astroturfing.

"You could say, 'Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted?' Most of us have never heard of him before." John McCain, following Clinton's strikes on al Qaeda camps

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Leggo my wrist

I have a much better idea of where James is coming from in his communications with me than you do, and he went a lot farther in his comments than your "explanation" suggests.

So bite me.

You're a bit odd aren't you?

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you" must be your motto, eh?

"You could say, 'Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted?' Most of us have never heard of him before." John McCain, following Clinton's strikes on al Qaeda camps

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

You're a bit of a jerk, aren't you?

Gee, Robert, maybe I am "odd." I disagree with you on various issues, so there's that bit of evidence.

But as far as this blog is concerned, I do have sufficient faculties to recall the nature of exchanges I've had with various persons, and I can even recall specifics from those exchanges that have bearing on this current one.

I can even recall that you are quick to leap in whether you know what you're talking about or not, and that when I comment, this tendency of yours seems especially easy to trigger.

However, the points I made about Moore, Perdue, and my position with respect to the gubernatorial campaign remain valid, notwithstanding your displeasure or James'.

I think you told me to "bite you"

Gee, were you expecting something else from me? Hugs and kisses, maybe?

James was referring to the astroturfing done by Moore's people when they first started up, which they promptly stopped doing when called on it. You misunderstood jumped in all 'Holier than Thou' that he was attacking you. The, told me to bite you.

What is this complex you have that people here think you're Republican? That they are out to get you? I rarely pay attention to these things so I might have missed something, but usually I see people taking offense at your tone, not your positions.

"You could say, 'Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted?' Most of us have never heard of him before." John McCain, following Clinton's strikes on al Qaeda camps

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I did.

I did tell you to bite me. It's an expression I have never used before, but it felt so right that I went ahead and typed it. Ya had it comin', and have had it comin' fer a long time.

Don't tell me what James was doin'. I know what James was doin'.

Much like his earlier post complaining about how Moore hasn't done enough for Bev, he made a comment that he knew wasn't going to produce a productive response. He got what he asked for.

I've been quiet about Perdue and have no problem remaining so while the back and forth is about Perdue and McCrory, but invoking Moore's name is going to bring me right back in to the fray.

Seems like you guys would get a danged clue.

Pay attention to this. Please.

You write often with a certainty of insider knowledge. You claim to know things that others don't. In this instance, for example, you say you know what I "was doin'."

You are wrong.

I promise on the lives of my two children: My comments in this post had nothing whatsoever to do with you. You didn't cross my mind for a nanosecond.

This needs to stop.

It does.

James, my knowledge of you comes solely from my interactions with you and from reading the things you've said to others or of others, and the way you've said them on this blog.

You have on frequent occasions been extremely rude, and you know that. I have, based on your remarks to me, and certainly based on your recent unprovoked and pointless attack on Richard Moore, ample reason to expect less than upright communications and less than pure motives from you. You went out of your way on that one, which eroded my sense that things had settled down amiably. I don't think it is reasonable for you to provoke as you did and then recoil in shock and surprise at the response.

I think it should stop, too, and look forward to you cutting the crap.

Brunette

I can honestly say that I have mostly enjoyed what you have to say online. Even your pointed sarcasm directed toward me as Isaac (Under the Dome) has been occasionally funny and often on point.

Let's stipulate that both of us have been rude from time to time. Let's further stipulate that my criticisms of Moore have been fully matched by your criticisms of Perdue.

Now to the matter at hand.

You've been caught lying. You have claimed specific knowledge of what I was writing about, and you were dead wrong. Now you're trying to spin your way out of it by dragging up whatever insults you've imagined have been hurled your way in the past. So be it.

I've asked for an apology and you've declined. That is the end of this as far as I'm concerned. I will not respond to you nor will I write about you in the future. That is a promise you can count on.

Lying, James?

No, James, I haven't been "caught lying." I have no more reason now than before to believe your comments were free and clear of malice toward me. I do not believe I was "dead wrong" for a moment, and you've got a hell of a nerve assuming that I should. Having already made the mistake of trusting your motives and your intentions, I've decided against being fooled twice.

Again, you owe me several apologies and you owe Richard Moore an apology. I should not have to point this out.

As for whether you answer me or don't answer me, oh for god's sake, who cares? I can't imagine it making any difference as far as whether I've said something that reasonates or doesn't with anyone interested in discussing politics.

You can be as angry as you like, but you cannot claim that I'm a troll, a closet Republican or a conservative. You cannot claim that I have no insights or that my analysis is poor, or that I don't care about progressive ideals or that I do not support progressives.

You also cannot accuse me of being passive aggressive, spineless, dishonest or unwilling to buck a crowd.

So hate on me all you wish, James, and envision yourself as Christ Almighty with me holding nails and a hammer, but remember that you are the one who has decided to draw a line in the sand and make dramatic pronouncements about *nevermore* communicating.

Good luck with politics.

Yawn

Person takes offense at an event that happened 6 months before they joined the side.
Person is corrected in the same tone.
Person takes more offense.
Person is corrected again, in the same tone.

Person writes really long diatribe acting like they know what they are talking about.

Rest of site moves on with their lives.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Except for you

who can't help adding something irrelevant.

Good gravy!

Sometimes it's hard to tell whether I'm reading BlueNC or Talking About Politics.

Someone, please post something that's not an ad hominem attack. I'm too weak to stop myself!

 

This has nothing to do with you

in any way, shape or form. You weren't even around when this happened, unless you were in fact one of the Moore trolls posting under another name.

You owe both me and Robert an apology.

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Doubts about Dole?

I most certainly do not

owe either one of you an apology. But you've got stacks of 'em to issue me for multiple rude remarks, insinuations and catty asides.

You also owe one to Richard Moore from a post you published a week or so ago -- the logic and purpose of which still remains mysterious.

No, I'm not a troll and have never been.

Gooooooooodness

I thought we were all entitled to our own opinions. It's just like a Perdue backer to be so vicious to folks with a different opinion. Perdue made the primary and the general negative - nobody else!!!! If she can't stand the heat because of her record then she certainly doesn't have what it takes to lead this state.

How do we as a country insure the total population?

The U.S. health care system is considered by many to be the best in the world. Whether or not that is true is up for discussion, but it is certainly among the best. Everyone in America should have health care available to them. That can come, I believe, by making it affordable. People that work for employers that offer health care normally don't pay a large portion of their income for it. People that are over 65 have Medicare. People that have been successful on their own and can afford their own health care buy it where they can find the best yet cheapest coverage. This leaves the rest of the people in America that don't have health care availability. That number, last I saw, was somewhere around 45 million. So, how do we, as a country, help these people get health insurance?

Has either presidential candidate come up with the actual answer to that yet? If so, I certainly missed it. I assume Obama wants universal health care with mandates to businesses and then government funded insurance for those that can't get it elsewhere. McCain, to my knowledge, really hasn't got a real plan.

The best thinking is independent thinking.

U.S. health care system

U.S. health care system is considered by many to be the best in the world.

I suspect that those "many" don't include the millions who have suffered medical bankruptcy.

The truth is, we collectively pay more and get less than countries that provide health care for all their citizens. Taking the profit out of healthcare for insurance companies would go a long way to solving the problem you've described. That's the Medicare model, which worked even better before Bush let private insurers get their hands into the cash flow.

That depends.

Up to 60% of Americans already receive some kind of public aid for health care.

Americans spend 2-3 times what other economically advantaged countries spend and contrary to popular belief they have similar waiting periods.

In addition, we spend that much much already, while we still have almost 50 million people with no health insurance and therefore very little care and another almost 20 million who are underinsured who get very little care. There are only 300 million of us, so that means that our cost would increase by at least 1/6th if we insured everyone. Probably more.

Truthfully, I think the reality of the situation is that even Obama will have a hard time pushing through good reform right now. Once again, just like after Bush 41, the economy will come first. We'll give tax cuts and try to grow the economy and then worry about health care later. Of course, we might do some more regulation, like doing away with preconditions or true mental health parity. But, those are band-aids.

If we are only doing band-aids then I'm not sure i would mind allowing cross-border competition, a goal of the free-market crowd. As long as there were mandates as to what HAD to be covered under a basic plan.

"You could say, 'Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that's depicted?' Most of us have never heard of him before." John McCain, following Clinton's strikes on al Qaeda camps

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Logical Fallacy

It is illogical to think that Pat is thinking of us at all because he isn't. Pat thinks of profits ,of connections that can further his personal agenda of self promotion, and of Pat the President. Don't kid yourself for one minute that Pat really believes that charities will care for the poor, the sick , the needy--he doesn't care. He doesn't even really think about it--he is mouthing a partisan untruth, that sad smokescreen to cover the complete obedience to the God of Greed.

He does not think of the least among us. Not one bit. He has no sterling record of doing anything to encourage charities to help the poor the sick the needy the elderly--all the people that religious traditions of all brands require us to care for. His agenda is not one of the Prophets--it is one of the Profits.

Would be funny

That would be funny....if it wasnt true.

Its the same thing with George Bush. He just doesn't even think about poor people. You can't hate the invisible I guess.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

(Smirk) "The difference is....

who funds your campaign"!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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If ever there is a time to vote

This is it. I keep hearing from many many people how much they enjoyed voting. I cried. Did anyone else cry? I sure hope we win this state. Come'on. Now some folks are trying to pull some rovian tactics. Get us all excited claiming that Rep Price did not vote to impeach Bush. WOOW. I wonder how many times Lawson voted to impeach Bush?
I get a call from Rudy tonight and another one from someone saying mean deceptive things about Hagan. She wants to let immigrants get drivers licenses. Sure we all want folks driving without a license that would be far safer.
The evil things they said , may they rot in the dirt soon.
So things are getting very nasty and I guess we should not trust anyone too much. But we may win. And there is work to do if you want to win. So work. And watch your back.

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