Open thread: Loud-mouth jerk edition

“Give her a pass,” said Democratic consultant Brad Crone, who works largely on legislative races and races for state office. “My recommendation would be not to put a lot of time, effort and energy on the United States Senate race.”

My recommendation would be for Brad Crone to find a new career. I guess he doesn't put too much stock in his own damn business slogan: You can't govern if you don't win.

Sheesh.

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Bill Graham

Betsy gave me the heads up on this interview with Bill Graham, but I don't have time to dissect it. But even a quick read suggests it's a good fit for today's open thread on loud-mouth jerks. The interview is a collection of bullshit Republican talking points, laced with the illusion of insight into nothing that matters. Bill Graham has virtually no chance of winning the Greedy Old Party nomination for governor.

Don't you dare Run for Dog Catcher! Brad!!

Dang! Art Pope has bought off old Brad.......

The first thing we do after getting the power! We hang all of the political consultants who have money in the bank. . * Hidden memos from Shakespear

Good gawdahmitey.

He's 2nd District Chair. He's got a comfy race with Cong. Etheridge -- not much of a fight there. Even Rs in the 2nd like Bobby. If Crone doesn't want to fight for that Senate seat, what does he want to fight for?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

The article said Ted Kaplan was interested in running

He's a county commissioner, elected at large, who just barely beat the incumbent republican. He and school board member Elisabeth Motsinger were the first Dems elected countywide in over a decade. Before his position as county commissioner, he was in the NC house and senate before losing in 1994.

I hadn't heard about him getting in. The way I see it, if someone can pull off a win countywide in Forsyth (and his opponent was a whole lot more palatable than Dole) maybe he's got a shot statewide. Would still rather have Grier though.

Pogo

sure was right about that.

Thur. evening forum in Statesville

Will make an independent blog entry on it later, but this is the announcement from Delmas Parker, Democratic State 2nd vice-chair:

The Iredell County Democratic party and the Western Democratic Party Task Force will sponsor a critical political issues forum at the Iredell Public Library at 6:30 pm, on Thursday July 12. The general public is invited.

Political leaders from North Carolina’s Fifth Congressional District will discuss issues and answer questions crucial to the 2008 election, among them political organization in which a challenge will be issued to each participant to organize and strategize a mythical district based on a similiar set of facts and demographic information.

Other questions will be related to health care, and American foreign policy. Iredell Democrats will question the panelists, and questions will also be taken from audience members.

Hayes McNeill, Western Task Force Chair for the NC Democratic Party, will present the political background of Western North Carolina, and set the challenge for the typical congressional district, District "X"; and Fifth District Chair, David Crawford,will introduce the panel and facilitate the program.

Expected panelists include the following: Ashe County Commissioner Gary Barber, Wake Forest Divinity graduate Ryan Eller, WSSU Communications Director Roger Kirkman, Winston-Salem architect Mark Glen, Ross Smith, WFU Debate coach,Winston- Salem businessman Spencer Hanes, and Forsyth Board of Education member, Elizabeth Motsinger,Clay Hipp, Professor Wake Forest University.

The Iredell County Democratic Party invites the local community to join the Fifth District community in examining the critical issues facing the district in the 08 election cycle.

For more information on this event, please contact Delmas Parker at
delmasparker@triad.rr.com 336-778-1843

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I really hope Iredell county isn't considered WNC

That's just wrong. By longitude lines, that means Meck Co is also WNC, which is not true. Maybe the other side of the Catawba is, but for me WNC starts at exit 100, or Highway 18, or at its most extreme U.S. 321.

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It is WNC, but barely

The division doesn't go by longitude lines but by lines parallel to the mountains. And there are not insignificant mountains (the Brushies) in Iredell County.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

Self-preservation

You'll notice that Mr. Crone goes on to say:

But Crone said that his party should instead focus on keeping control of the governor’s mansion and General Assembly or further increasing its hold on the state’s U.S. House delegation.

He makes his living off of state races, so it makes sense that he wants the donations and dollars to go to those races. If you see it as a zero-sum game, where there are only so many dollars to go around, then that would be your attitude. Now, personally, if I were consulting for the general assembly, I would want the best Democratic candidates possible for President, Governor, Lt. Governor, A.G., U.S. Senate, and U.S. House because those are the races that will bring out the voters, many of whom will vote either straight ticket or tend to lean towards their party of affiliation.

John Edwards is great!
- Sam Spencer, BlueNC, 7/3/07

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Damn your smart



Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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I assume that is snark ; )

John Edwards is great!
- Sam Spencer, BlueNC, 7/3/07

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

uh...no...sincere admiration



Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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I liked snark ...

... but I can see the argument either way. As a political consultant that makes his living off races, I'd want money spread in races I saw as potential wins. As a party loyalist, I'd want everyone in office to be my party.

I suppose it just comes down to pragmatism as to where people actually land.

--Gideon

Well, in the most simple terms:

If your only clients are democrats, you want a strong Democratic slate so that more of your Democratic clients win so that you have less problems with candidates not paying you.

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I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

You don't go far enough

I wonder how much the DCCC or the caucuses paid him to say that.

I would argue, however, with no real Senate race, the possibility of someone other than the bogeywoman running for President, and a lackluster field of Republican candidates, you could end up with a depressed Republican turnout.

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John Edwards is great!
- Sam Spencer, BlueNC, 7/3/07

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

His thinking is incomplete

You can't govern if you don't win. You can't win if you don't run.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

Yep one and only one

Not to mention a base of 59 million pissed-off Kerry voters.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

Taking On Dole

I appreciate the fine words from so many good people.

Let me make my argument about Elizabeth Dole. 1968 was the last time Democrats won a U.
S. Senate seat in North Carolina during a presidential election and that was done by Senator Sam -- Sam Ervin.

Senator Robert Morgan and Senator John Edwards won their seats in off-year elections.

Here's my position on the Dole campaign. I hope State Representative Grier Martin or someone of his caliber, perhaps Senator Kay Hagan will run against her.

She is certainly defeatable but its going to take $20 million. My take is from a broader perspective in the sense of protecting the Governor's mansion, Council of State seats we have and the General Assembly.

I think you have to pick your fights strategically and attempting to mount a campaign against Senator Dole at this stage in the money game is a tall task for sure. We have to be honest with ourselves about her high name recognition factor and her "rock star" status even among many Democratic voters. Her favorable ratings show some weakness now and that's good news for the partisans.I fully believe we can keep her pinned down, prevent her from meddling in other state races and hope that the 2008 Tidal Wave that's coming will lift up the Democratic candidate whomever he or she is.

Time will tell.

By the way....this is my first post to your blog, I am a daily reader. Keep up the good work.

Brad Crone

Several problems with your positions.

  1. Elizabeth Dole of today is not the Elizabeth Dole of 6 years ago.
  2. There is no "compassionate conservatism" to run on this time, people know what she stands for based on her votes.
  3. The last Senate election where a Democrat lost, the election fell on Presidential election year, and it didn't include Jesse Helms was the second coming of Erskine Bowles in a highly-Republican year.
  4. Before that, the last one was Terry Sanford and before that is was the 50s.
  5. There is no precedent for what we are looking at today.

Elizabeth Dole is old, she is rumored to be losing her abilities, she let down Republicans in 2006 to the tune of a LOST Senate when they were hoping for a veto-proof majority, and North Carolinians know this about her - they haven't ever seen her in North Carolina. Also, if she had raised some butt-load of money, I am sure she would have released those numbers. Beyond that, when the numbers come out, we need to see how much of it came from maxed-out contributions from wingnuts - even Vernon was able to raise a couple million from rich wackos. That type of fund-raising is not sustainable.

John Edwards is great!
- Sam Spencer, BlueNC, 7/3/07

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Welcome, Brad

I have a brother named Brad, so I like you already.

Lovex7

I think this was printed in the Charlotte Observer

It was a least posted on the website.

Dems earmarking Dole for defeat in 2008
The writer is chairman, N.C. Democratic Party.

In response to "Democrats consider giving Dole free pass" (July 9):

Democrats aren't even remotely considering giving Elizabeth Dole a "free pass" next year.

After years of voting against health care for veterans, against community college students, against lower prescription drug prices and in favor of subsidies for big oil, Elizabeth Dole's record is finally catching up with her. It's no wonder Congressional Quarterly recently listed Sen. Dole among the five most vulnerable Republican senators.

North Carolinians deserve a clear choice in November 2008. And Democrats plan to give it to them.

Jerry Meek

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Where Liddy At?
Where is Liddy?
Anyone seen Liddy?

This is extremely heartening to see.

Thanks for posting it here, Jerimee.

When I first read it, I thought you meant that Jerry was going to run! Is that his signature on the post, or an announcement? :)

A Mighty Good Man and an Unsung Hero

1968 was the last time Democrats won a U.
S. Senate seat in North Carolina during a presidential election and that was done by Senator Sam -- Sam Ervin.

I didn't know he was from NC until this year when I was teaching Watergate.

She is certainly defeatable but its going to take $20 million.

You know - I really hate seeing $$ always being the lowest common denominator - because it's common.

Each One Reach One works magnificently well - but only if you have a candidate. THAT is the biggest bog in the Bendix.

Where is our Candidate?

I read that interview......Give her a pass!!!????

The issue is not Liddy... The issue, if you are considering "giving her a pass", is War & Peace..Its health care for every American... Its Poverty in America... It is the continued spying on innocent American citizens ... The issue is leadership, vision and national purpose! Are you willing to give a pass to these issues?
Liddy will get a fee pass back to whatever state she came from (not NC).

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

No passes allowed

Dole doesn't deserve a free pass to another 6 years in the Senate. Democrats need to fight for this seat, just like any other.

It does not necessarily take $20 million - that's B.S. Look what a certain high school teacher did in NC-08 last year despite being widely outspent...