Open thread: Hypocrisy edition

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We all do things that are not consistent with what we say to some degree or another. That is the essence of hypocrisy. But this particular story pretty much takes the cake. The woman here happens to be from Texas, but I assure you, there are women just like her in Raleigh and Charlotte and Manteo and Murphy and everywhere in between.

I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it. (Physician, Texas)


Robin Hayes Hypocrisy Knows No Bounds

but thankfully Larry is doing great. He just got the first endorsement in the nation from the National Educators Assn! He is live blogging on Kos now. Stop by if you can. Let's work to bring the age of hypocrisy to a close!

All I have to say is Wow

I've heard all kinds of right-wing abortion stories and I wondered how they justified it all. This is amazing. How do these people live with their hypocrisy? They want the status of their positions but if it means actually living what they promote, is it that they think they are always the "exception?"

This goes along with what I'm hearing about conservative institutions. They don't know how to deal with sexual abuse by staff or by students. I imagine they don't know how to deal with any sexual behavior at all. It's just the abusive stuff that upsets everyone enough to talk about it. I've heard stories of conservative school administrators punishing the people who want to discuss contraception or safe sex. Meanwhile they are (inadvertantly or not) making their institutions safe for sexual predators of all kinds.

And no one is allowed to talk about any of it! Jeez. What a mess.

News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

Secrets make you sick.

And no one is allowed to talk about any of it! Jeez. What a mess.

That's what their problem is. They don't talk about it, so they think they're the only imperfect ones. They don't realize that everyone has problems, everyone has trouble, and just like mildew, if you put it out in the open and let sunshine on it, it dries up and doesn't stink quite so badly.

I'm not saying that will cure pedophilia or other kinds of sexual predation. But it will keep it from flourishing. Predators can't lurk where there are no shadows.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

I'm hearing all kinds of weird stuff

about homosexual predators (students in one case, teachers in another) at two conservative southern colleges. Now, I know the experiences of a few people certainly don't speak for an entire institution, but when I get the chance, I do want to explore the whole interface of political conservatism, repressed sexuality, and the Republican Party.

Someone commented recently at Pat Go Bye Bye that they were thinking of quitting their job to research something along those lines (in light of recent Republican sex scandals). What amazes me is how little research exists. I've always been interested in sexual predation and power (Republican or not). And in these conservative colleges, from what I understand, you're adding in the repression of almost all aspects of sexuality from premarital hetero sex to any discussion of contraception.

But that's for another day.
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

It certainly intriguing.

The really difficult thing is nailing down facts. The issues are so charged for everyone involved, and the writer certainly doesn't want to ruin anyone's life - especially a victim who has moved on and been able to heal.

I'm emailing you something.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi


Law of man and God's law.

First and foremost, I am a guy. While I oppose the killing of any baby, it is not my ultimate choice. A women who is creating that child has the final say. It is her choice. While I want so badly to have a little one that is mine, I cannot. When I hear of women and girls destroying life for selfless reasons, it saddens me. They have to live with that choice for the rest of their days.

God's law to me means the union of two people, man and women, is sacred. This union creates life. A person who creates life under God's law who is following God's law will not get an abortion. She, if no one else wants the child, will bring the child into the world.

If you do not have a god in your life, then you effectively belief for the here and now. There is no other purpose for living then self. Laws must be created to protect all from each others Self. If the people wish to allow Self to destroy Self, so be it. If the people feel destroying Self is wrong, then stop it.

You cannot force someone in self mode to understand God's law as they do not understand the concept. Don't force God's law on Self.

Make laws to protect Self from Self, if that is the smart thing to do.

I have a god in my life

but it doesn't lead me to anything resembling a purpose for living. Living itself is simply a choice, a choice that creates the opportunity for many other choices.

My father was a devout Christian for 60 years. He chose to end his own life. He understood the concept of god. What difference did it make?

My brother's suicide 23 years ago

is what set me on a spiritual quest that has not ended, though my climb has leveled out a bit.

The day my 20 year old brother decided to end his life, no one was in the room with him to stop him, except for the God I then believed in. Why didn't He? Because He couldn't or wouldn't. Therefore not worthy of my time. And off I went. A grand journey it's been- I've met lots of faces of God, many that I love, many that I don't.

But I still don't understand that choice my brother made. It's a bag with a boulder in it I will carry till I die.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

I see that you and I disagree on many levels, Parmea

But the basic thing is this: You believe:

If you do not have a god in your life, then you effectively belief for the here and now. There is no other purpose for living then self. Laws must be created to protect all from each others Self.

I don't believe that's true. I know many people who are atheists who have at least as good a moral compass (if not better) than some believers I know. I find many of the atheists I know to be honest without compromise, with an inner sense of what is right and wrong. They don't seem to need an imposed code from above - like the 10 commandments - to know that stealing is wrong. I'm talking about people who are not in the "I'm mad at God so I don't believe in Him" stage, but about folks who have reasoned through their beliefs and have decided, for whatever reason, that they don't believe in a higher being.

I'm also not attributing this to every atheist - I'm just saying that I know several who meet the criteria I've set above.

You might want to expand your definition of who is a good person.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

One of the many reasons

I adore you. What a way with words you have.

Right backatcha, babe.

You're one of my writing heroes. :)

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

removed,,,,, sorry

I had something here, but I reread it and was fearful that I was taking this discussion down a path that would alienate vice continue in the spirit of community.

deleated by parmea

I didn't see your comment

I respect you for making a decision in favor of community. You're a good guy, Parm.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

blushing over here!

nice when a strong woman likes my choices!

Speaking of hypocrites...

You might remember that I posted another story on here yesterday about Coy Privette.
In that post I used a picture that i took of Privette's house and lawn to show that his house isn't for sale like he had said.
Well apparently some "fan" who likes Photoshop used that picture in a reply to me, saying "I saw this sign on his lawn today" and attached the following "enhanced" picture:

I hope it makes you laugh as hard as it did me.

More of the same

I had a young couple as neighbors once who went to Wednesday night bible study but didn't have problem with bootleg software and were opposed to abortion but would have chosen to have one if there had been a pregnancy before their marriage.

Didn't Time or Newsweek do a story on this?

I've never seen the story myself but I friend of mine told she read a story in Newsweek that a poll was done of young women. They pushed the young women to answer this hypothetical: if you became pregnant due to a failure of birth control would you consider having an abortion?

They then asked the young women to state if they considered them selves to be pro-life.

They found that more pro-life young women would consider getting an abortion than pro-choice young women.

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I don't know about that story

but my anecdotal experience tells me that more pro-choice young women are likely to use birth control than pro-life young women.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi