My Thoughts Of Libertarians

Most Libertarians are cowards. Those are fighting words I'm sure. However they are true. While I think Libertarian philosophy is truly flawed and believe a vote for a Libertarian is a vote for a Democrat. I do, however, admire them for standing up for what they believe in...well some of them.

I have a problem with people like Ron Paul and BJ Lawson. Why? Quite elementary my dear Watson. These Republicans and several others, hide behind the GOP banner instead of running under their own banner. It's fairly sorry. Part of the reason is that really your party is the foundation of any candidacy and clearly there are only a little 600 registered Libertarians in the state (a new option added by the SBOE). That's not very much. What's the next best thing? Let's join the GOP, hijack their party and put forth our ideals using their support, time, and money. That's pretty sorry. Why not run under your own banner and be TRUTHFUL? You talk about Washington and Raleigh being a club of lying corrupted officials yet you're deceiving the public of your true political affliations.

Take, for instance, Ron Paul who ran as a Libertarian for president in 1988. He's run for Congress and most recently the Presidency as a Republican because it insures a higher chance of victory. Then there's BJ Lawson (GOP candidate for the 4th District), who has told me directly that he believes the GOP to be a broken party and doesn't really support it. I guess its better than running against David Price and ensuring you won't be on the ballot in November. But as a high level political figure has told me personally, it's a trend of Libertarians hijacking the GOP for their own benefit. Sure you might receive fewer votes, but at least you're being true to the content of your character.

While you don't represent my ideals Mr. Munger, I at least respect you more than the phony Republicans in name only.

You can't have your cake and eat it too y'all.

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I think they'd like to take over the Republican Party

except for the fact that the Republican Party won't have them ... not really. Their liberal views on social issues (drugs, sex, rock and roll) are offensive to the Puritanical right.

That said, I appreciate their frustration. I'd like to have my own party, but no one would vote for me either.

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Who's the hijacker?

I, too, have asked BJ Lawson why he's running as a Republican and received the same answer you did. Only I think that it's a perfectly valid and honorable answer.

When I think about honorable Republicans in my lifetime, I think of Earl Warren, Dwight Eisenhower, even Gerald Ford, people who are a lot closer to Lawson than, say, Jesse Helms or John McCain.

I'm a yellow dog dem who will vote for David Price, but I'm proud to call BJ my friend because he actually concerned with the welfare of all of us, not just the rich. The fact that he scares his party is a good thing.

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Deception?

Hey Ranger king,

Deception in politics, no, never :)

If you have ever met BJ Lawson then the last thing you can accuse him off is deception. In the primary the Republican establishment tried to derail his campaign at every chance. His crime was that he was bluntly honest with them. He told them that the attacks on civil liberties were wrong and the patriot act was wrong. He told them that war and militarism was wrong and our foreign policy was wrong. He told them that torture was wrong and cluster bombs were wrong. He told them that we are sliding towards corporate fascism at the expense of the people.

I am sure many of us on here would agree with BJ 100% on these issues. The difference is he didn't do it in comfy surroundings of folks who agree. He did it in a Republican primary and took the message to these folks convincing 71% of them that what he said was right. Deceiving, No. Brave, Possibly. Principled, most definitely. If you have ever met BJ you would know the guy is a good speaker, great personality and if his intention was just to win he could have won the primary just by standing there. Rather than being deceptive as you accuse, the guy is bluntly honest. Which is a refreshing change.

What is deceiving is when politicians try to pigeon hole us into their own wee brackets to make it easier to sell their verbiage to. Maybe i am just fortunate in being Scottish that i haven't grown up with the constant two party system arguments. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I grew up with a real left background (real left rather than the liberal = left) Most of my friends are Progressive Democrats and more left of center. I can however spot a charlatan politician a mile off. Which is why i support BJ Lawson over David Price and why i supported BJ Lawson over the bush bot Augustus Cho.

We need less politicians and more representatives accountable to us, not special interests and corporate lobbyists.

Marc

Hey your opinion. I've met

Hey your opinion. I've met both Lawson and Cho and while Lawson is better than Cho and I agree with some things (the ideas, not the solutions), I'll be voting for Price.

That wee book BJ distributes

That wee book BJ distributes gives you that right :) I couldnt vote for Price. I have to look at myself in the mirror. Issues that are very important to me he dances around like a prize fighter. I have given him plenty of opportunities. I have personally been to his office about 8 times. 5 of those times he assured me he would do one thing and then went to Washington and voted the other.

As i have mentioned before virtually all of my friends are Democrats, they are just more fun than most republicans :)I dont know one of them who actually likes and supports David Price. They just never have had a viable candidate running against him other than your typical bushbot, corporate loving Republican. Which is why BJ is now getting a lot of Democratic voting supporters. The amount of student Obama/BJ supporters i have met is staggering.

I want someone to represent what is right. Not what is politically expedient or at the behest of the check writers. Which is why i support BJ Lawson.

Marc

Staggering?

You must be easily staggered. I don't know of one Democrat - student or otherwise - who's voting for BJ, even though many respect some of his positions. Guess we travel in different circles.

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The NC Family Policy Council doesn't speak for my family

Frankly, BJ does represent

a more (historically) mainstream conservative than many of the neocons that have hijacked the Republican Party.

I have some major issues with each one, but I'll take a Libertarian Republican over an Empire-building Republican any day of the week.

James, we, too, must travel in different circles

I am a Democrat who has historically supported Rep. Price. I enjoyed hearing him speak at the OCDP Legislative Breakfasts; he is a nice enough guy. I met BJ when I was campaigning for Hillary Clinton (I led her grassroots efforts in Hillsborough)and I was struck by this guy's sincerity, fresh perspective and principled ideas of governing. I never in my wildest dreams thought that I would go from campaigning for Hillary to campaigning for BJ Lawson, a Republican! As I have studied Rep. Price's voting record I have become underwhelmed...BJ Lawson inspires me. I refuse to vote for Rep. Price simply because he has a "D" behind his name for the same reason that I refuse to vote for any other candidate for that reason. The reason why I am supporting Kay Hagan is not because she is a Democrat but because she understands what it takes to restore hope to people. She understands that there is a need to think differently about the solutions to the problems that Dole and Bush have created for us. I do not agree with BJ 100% but I do trust him. I do think that his principles of good government are incredible. I think that he finally offers me a choice. He is a candidate who thinks that this debacle in Iraq must end. He thinks that torture is wrong. He thinks that the Patriot Act is anything but patriotic! I have a choice. I am over politicians becoming entrenched and not speaking for me (check out my blog entry on the subject)
! I will vote my conscience; not my party in this one!

Oh,James, I am Ray McKinnon; now you have met a Hillary/Obama supporter who is voting for BJ Lawson. Check out the blog DemsForLawson; they are out there...

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

~Ray McKinnon

Okay. Now I know three.

Not what I'd call a staggering number. :)

I've talked with BJ several times, and even had him as a guest in my home. I think he's smart and most assuredly enthusiastic. Plus he's a very nice guy.

As the original post asserts, however, his relationship with the Republican Party is tangential at best. BJ is a Libertarian by almost any standard I can think of. That doesn't make him necessarily wrong, it does him unelectable.

J

PS I'm not a Democrat and have no loyalty to any party. I just think the Democrats offer a much more practical approach to governance than either Republicans or Libertarians do. The latter hate government ... which makes a pretty good case for why they suck at it.

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He is not a Libertarian, sheesh!

With all due respect to the Libertarians I know; they are weird and live in the skies (which always seem to be falling...); BJ is not a Libertarian. He is a candidate who believes strongly in the Constitution. He does not believe that the Constitution should be treated as a book of suggestions, rather as a book that contains the job description for members of Congress.

James, what about BJ's ideas makes him, in your opinion, the wrong guy over Rep. Price? Why will you not vote for him?

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

~Ray McKinnon

Okay, he's a Republican.

That's reason enough not to vote for him.

In the unlikely event BJ got elected along with enough other Republicans to gain control of committees in Congress, our nation would be totally screwed.

J

PS I originally asked BJ why he wasn't running as a Democrat, challenging Price in the primary. I didn't get a satisfying answer to that, either. So maybe he's an Independent? If he were running as such, he'd have a lot more appeal to me.

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"Pay no attention to the Libertarian behind the curtain."

BJ is not a Libertarian.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and rides along on the Ron Paul Express like a duck, then it's a fricking duck.

Heck, I was (also) a registered Republican for almost 30 years, even though my beliefs (and voting habits) swung towards the Democratic Party in the latter part of the Eighties. Until I decided to become "politically active" (whatever that means) last year, that is. By publishing my political beliefs, my party affiliation was no longer just my business, it's the business of anyone reading what I write.

His ideas are too

His ideas are too Libertarian to not be a closet Libertarian. Even August Cho pointed that out and his admission he supports/supported Ron Paul.

Here's a zinger for you Ray. If you support BJ because he follows the Constitution (I was happy to take a copy, but I took out the campaign sticker) and one of his points is that Price voted for the Patriot Act. You supported Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton voted for the Patriot Act.

This kinds of logic is nuts

This kinds of logic is nuts Rangerking, no offense :)You are so quick to try and bracket folks you miss the forest for the tree's. Is Larry Kissell a Republican? Well he must be because he is pro life, pro death penalty and pro gun and doesnt fit the stereotype of your typical democrat.

You can argue all day about how about BJ's politics and merits but please dont try to tell me that David Price is a good representative, thats just comical :)

Marc

PS: For the record i think Larry Kissell is great and i am hoping to see the demise of Sir Robin Hayes in the near future.

A zinger, I think not...

Here's a zinger for you Ray. If you support BJ because he follows the Constitution (I was happy to take a copy, but I took out the campaign sticker) and one of his points is that Price voted for the Patriot Act. You supported Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton voted for the Patriot Act.

Quite simple, RangerKing, I don't have to agree with someone on every issue to vote for him or her. Frankly, I am a pro-life Democrat and was still able to campaign for Hillary Clinton. Call me weird, but I don't think it necessary to agree with 100 percent of a candidate's positions before you can support said him or her. I don't agree with BJ on 100 percent of the issues. He is the candidate who is going to get my vote.

Let me be clear, I am not voting for BJ because David Price supported the Patriot Act (and other bills that erodes the spirit of the Constitution). I am voting for BJ Lawson because he is principled, he is offers fresh perspective and he will represent the people of the 4th District and not just the PACs and special interest of the 4th District.

Zinger, not at all...

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin

~Ray McKinnon