Michael Munger will be here Tuesday night

Currently shut out of the gubernatorial debate master plan by the North Carolina political establishment and the mainstream media, Dr. Michael Munger has agreed to visit BlueNC Tuesday night for a discussion about his campaign for governor. As you may know, Munger is the Libertarian candidate, competing against Bev Perdue (D) and Pat McCrory (R).

In addition to being a capable blogger with a great sense of humor, Munger is one of the sharpest people I've come across on today's political scene. I wouldn't miss this conversation for the world, and I hope you'll help me spread the news.

You can read more about him at his website and elsewhere on BlueNC. You can also encourage the media to include him in their debates by clicking here.

Thanks in advance to Dr. Munger for making time for us.

Comments

Thanks for setting this up.

I'm not sure that I would vote for Dr. Munger, but I feel very strongly about his right to be heard, and about the people's right to hear him. This is a good start.

BTW - when I went to the link to tell the media to let Munger into the debate, after I filled in my info and clicked the button, I got a message that said

No input file specified.

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I'm not sure if that's a problem or not. I think I'll write directly to WTVD to be sure they know how I feel.

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
Pointing at Naked Emperors

I'll vote for him

If they don't ley him into the debate. If they do its perdue all the way!!!

----insert witty remark here----coming soon----

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I'll vote for him

If they don't ley him into the debate. If they do its perdue all the way!!!

----insert witty remark here----coming soon----

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Libertarian?

Meaning he does not support any social programs, such a food stamps or Medicare?

Interesting choice for a "Blue" blog, of who to promote.

NCDem Amy on YouTube

Mike's not really a Libertarian

he just plays one because the other two parties in North Carolina are so whacked out.

:)

Seriously, he's the only Libertarian I've run across who isn't bat-shit crazy. And just to be clear, I'm not specifically promoting him, I'm backing his hard-fought right to be included in the gubernatorial debates.

To be fair

"Bat-shit crazy" can be a hard won status, too, ya know.

Bru' (not sayin' I know anyone)

Think of it this way, Amy.

It's promoting democracy. Letting people hear the voices of all the candidates who are standing for election. We should not fear that. If we do, there is something wrong with our candidate(s).

Can we, instead, start talking about "for the good of North Carolina?" --Leslie H.
Pointing at Naked Emperors

Oh, I agree

We "should not fear" debate.

But, there is a difference between promoting an opponent of (the realistic choice) of the most progressive candidate and promoting debate.

You know, the whole Nader/Gore thing in 2000, and all. I really would hate to see Perdue get beaten by McCrory, because a third party candidate syphoned enough votes.

Further, I'm not really too concerned that one particular (white male with a PhD) political candidate is being silenced or oppressed or that this one incident is hurtful to democracy. Just to consider the broader scope of it.

NCDem Amy on YouTube

That's what you've got me for

As a recovering Libertarian, I'm downright delighted to have the opportunity to probe Prof. Munger's points of agreement--and conflict--with his party.

I'll try to keep my level of decorum up, James. :)

But I don't think Munger will siphon many votes away from Bev Perdue. The reason is that Democrats nationally are better organized and more enthusiastic than they have been in a generation. They also remember 2000. They have felt the burn of not voting tactically when they needed to.

The Bush Administration has done its best to keep that burn from healing for eight years.

In another thread, I ticked him off a bit and he quoted Neil Young to the effect that it doesn't matter that much to [him] to matter that much to [me].

That's his prerogative, but I wonder if his best shot at votes outside of disillusioned hard-core economic conservatives (who have been steadfast and loyal to the GOP since the Great Depression) isn't actually with folks like me. That is, with people who are (small-l) libertarian about most things, too egoistic to enthusiastically submerge themselves in a major party, and essentially ignorant of state politics*.

So, the way I see it, Prof. Munger has two demographics he can pursue, but it's going to be tough for him to appeal to both at the same time.

1) He can embrace right-libertarianism, turn off progressives, and siphon a few percent away from Pat McCrory.

2) He can indulge obnoxious little shits like me, and present a kinder, gentler libertarianism that isn't so fundamentalist about the free market as a panacea.

(Judging from just the titles of Prof. Munger's papers, he's not a free-market fundamentalist.)

But older liberals who are seeing their best chance in their lifetimes to drag the Democratic Party back from the center-right? No way. I don't see it.

(And, by the way, any libertarian who denies the conceptual utility of the left-right political spectrum...lies very far on the right side of that spectrum. Caveat auditor.)

3) He can try to split the difference, which I think will diminish his overall draw. Some people will sniff out the cognitive dissonance and go home (to their usual party) or stay home (on election day). He'll bleed some votes from both major-party candidates and it'll be hard to tell whether he actually played a spoiler role or not. In this scenario only some really astute exit polling will tell us.

Incidentally, cutting his hair off sounds like a tactic designed to appeal to 1).

* I only just got here; I'm doing my best.

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recently transplanted from Indianapolis, IN to Durham, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

I originally got interested in Munger because

I wanted him on the ballot to draw votes from the right. In fact, I circulated petitions among my friends to help that cause.

Along the way I got to know him (virtually) and found him to be an enigma - a thoughtful and informed candidate, full of good cheer, with only a modicum of pandering.

Barr is already showing up as a spoiler in the presidential primary. If his 5% has any coattails, it'll mostly be at McCrory's expense.

My conspiracy theories are doomed...DOOMED!

The same thing has been suggested to me, but I'm too vain to cut my own hair off.

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recently transplanted from Indianapolis, IN to Durham, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

His haircut

Has to do with locks of love

----insert witty remark here----coming soon----

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

As Someone with a Dr. Thompson quote in your signature

I am surprised that it did not occur to you that it might be an act of political theater. When the good Dr. ran for sheriff in Aspen in 70-71 he shaved his head to refer to his buzz-cut opponent as "my long haired opponent." Made great theater and great images.

Perhaps this is Munger's game...if so...I might have to consider who I am voting for...

CM

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The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

On the hair thing....

On the hair thing, you might enjoy these three serialized photo essays....Whether it was "theater," I leave to you.

Number 1: click!
Number 2: click!
Number 3: click!

Mike Munger (talk to you Tuesday night! Y'all come!)

"It is to secure our rights that we resort to government at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francois D'Ivernois, 1795.

Michael C. Munger

as a cancer survivor myself

all I can say is thank you

Wake Forest won't play us anymore
Michigan last year
LSU - you are next
Go ASU!

Dude, you will never get elected with those pics floating!

It was a good thing to do. My sister tells me many young ladies in Central PA do this, teenage girls cutting all their hair off for cancer patients.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Believe it or not, he's walking on hair!

Great pictures.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

just as long as he is not "Walking on Sunshine"

Name the artist who sang this mid 80's hit. Hint - Lead singer is from my home state of Kansas.

Wake Forest won't play us anymore
Michigan last year
LSU - you are next
Go ASU!

Katrina and the Waves

So that was for $20k and a new car right? :)

One of the 80's best One Hit Wonders, imo.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

Dammit! You beat me by mere seconds.

Don't you think the name is weird when you think about the hurricane that hit New Orleans?

I meant no offense

and I really hope that I did not cause any.

My best friend spent the 5 years before his wedding growing out his hair and then donated it all to Locks of Love. I have a great respect for you for doing this.

I was merely making a Thompson joke/reference, which I do at every possible occasion. Again, I truly hope that I caused no offense, particularly considering your deeply personal reason for giving your hair....

Also, thanks for the pictures.

CM

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The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

The Great appear great because we are on our knees – Let Us Rise!
-- “Big Jim” Larkin

I see...

...said the blind man as he picked up the hammer and saw.

Judging from that blog, you've got a far better sense of humor than John McCain, if that isn't damning you with faint praise...

Yeah, your situation blew my theory out the window. If you were only a longhair temporarily and for an exogenous cause, then that's totally compatible with you being a square. ;-)

Best regards to your wife. May her recovery be a permanent one.

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recently transplanted from Indianapolis, IN to Durham, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

Ah, Libertarians...

I do hope Munger gets into the debates, not for Democratic reasons, but for democratic ones. I don't like NC's laws that lock out third parties. (Maybe at some point I'll float my CCOPR election structure idea that would help fix this.)

But I do hope nobody goes voting for him. I saw Munger officiate the Bell/Stith debate, and thought he did a very good job of it, but anything that legitimizes the Libertarian Party in general can't be good. My general view of it is that electorally, they're really cute and fuzzy (not even in reference to the hair), because their whole notion of obsessing on individualism and distaste for any form of collective organizing makes them electorally inept almost by definition. However, from a philosophical point of view, I usually split them into two camps -- the Hayekians, who have interesting commentary but ignore some important pieces, and the Randroids, who are frightening and evil.

I think Munger's a Hayekian. At least, I hope he is. But still, too many votes for the LP in general open doors for the Randroids, which despite my assurance of their electorally self-defeating philosophy, scares the willies out of me.

Welcome back

Nice to see you about again.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Ah, Alien Lizard Libertarians.?

I think Munger's a Hayekian. At least, I hope he is. But still, too many votes for the LP in general open doors for the Randroids, which despite my assurance of their electorally self-defeating philosophy, scares the willies out of me *MTBinDurham

You have been watching too many Alien Lizards movies if you can't decide what Mike is and why he is wearing that stupid clown great American Hero uniform. No wonder you are confuse about what he is?

Ask yourself one question? Is he really serious or is this another class project for the kids about dream politics.