John Edwards to Be Excluded from Ballot in NC

According to the News-Observer, State Dem Party chairman Jerry Meek did not list John Edwards as a presidential candidate. I don't know how accurate the quote is, but this is what Rob Christensen reported:

"Meek said he based his decision on the law, which says the ballot should include "all candidates whose candidacy is generally advocated and recognized in the news media throughout the United States or in North Carolina."

So Edwards, who has been on many local stations, and only suspended his campaign, is being kicked off the ballot?

Tarheels, do you believe that essentially Mike Gravel is generally advocated and recognized throughout the news media or in NC more than John Edwards? Meh.

I don't live in North Carolina, but to me, this smells of petty politics.

Seems to me Tarheel Dems, and yes, I'm talking not only to the regulars on this blog, but also to Larry Kissell, Rep. Brad Miller, Rep. Heath Schuler, Rep. Mel Watts, and new candidates such as Harry Taylor need to urge Chairman Meek to put Edwards back on the ballot. Tarheels deserve the opportunity to vote for its native son.

Here's Meek's contact info:

Jerry Meek
Chair
919-821-2777 Ext. 106
email: jmeek@ncdemocraticparty.org

Comments

I don't know

I don't know how the decision was made; I was certainly surprised to hear that Mike Gravel was on for the Dems and Alan Keyes was on for the Repubs (I didn't even know they were running his crazy self again).

Jerry?

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Thanks

I hadn't seen this story . . . it would be good to hear a more detailed explanation.

I'm finding myself surprised again and again in this primary cycle by the bizarre nature of election rules and party policies all over the country. Messy stuff.

Before You Go Calling Jerry...

Here's what was in yesterday's report on the UTD blog:

Meek, who has discretion on who to include on the ballot, said Monday he would decide whether to include Edwards’ name after conferring with the Edwards campaign.

Edwards, an Orange County residhttp://bluenc.com/john-edwards-to-be-excluded-from-ballot-in-nc#new
John Edwards to Be Excluded from Ballot in NC | BlueNCent, suspended his campaign for president last week, after losing the first four contests. Some of his supporters, however, have been urging his backers to vote for Edwards anyway in the remaining primaries.

Do you think he'd exclude Edwards if the campaign had expressed an interest in being on the ballot? I don't.

I think what probably happened is that, with polls showing that Super Tuesday would only tighten the Democratic race, not decide it, Meek and Edwards both agreed that without him on the ballot, North Carolina would actually be in play and that campaigns might invest time, money and energy here early (something that's kept NC from being the swing state it has the potential to be, IMO).

If the nomination's not decided by May, this could fire up rank and file Democrats in a way that the Party itself has been unable to do.

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That's not my point

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He said Edwards was excluded because he wasn't national or local recognized by the media. That's not true. Mike Gravel is NOT recognized at all.

You may be on to something, but I also think this is coming from the top of the DNC and it doesn't seem right. I was on a conference call with John and Elizabeth yesterday and they didn't say anything about not voting for Edwards --or the argument that I read at the Daily Kos-- our votes would wasted.

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Understood, but...

It's possible that you're right, but given what I've seen of Jerry and Edwards' leadership, I say your suggestion is improbable. I think they're both interested in strengthening the Democratic Party and having a contested presidential primary will help achieve that.

He said Edwards was excluded because he wasn't national or local recognized by the media. That's not true. Mike Gravel is NOT recognized at all.

I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant that, right now, there are three recognized candidates by the national or local media as still being in it: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and Mike Gravel. Edwards, Biden, Dodd, etc. are considered by most to be former candidates.

Above all, though, if Edwards had been kept on the ballot, it's still not a guarantee that Edwards would win. PPP had Clinton, Edwards and Obama in a virtual three-way tie in North Carolina in their last poll of preferences in the state and I imagine the support for Obama and Clinton have only grown after their wins.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

I forget where I read it...

but there was an interview with Trippi saying they had discussed suspending the campaign after NV because they didn't want such a disappointing showing in Edwards' native state, his performance in the debate and subsequent bounce made him change his mind.

Well...I guess I figured he wouldn't be on the ballot anyway

The timing of his dropping out and the fact that the filing period starts in five days....I mean he's no longer running for president...why would you put his name on there for sentimental reasons. I love JRE and I'm still upset he's not in. I've considered writing in his name, but I'm not upset he isn't on the ballot.

I agree with nctodc - Jerry wouldn't leave JRE off the ballot if the Edwards camp wanted him on the ballot. I don't always agree with Jerry, but on something like this I trust him to do the right thing.



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Endorsing?

Perhaps this is because JRE still wants to leave open the option of endorsing either Obama or Clinton, and doesn't want his supporters to be torn between giving their vote to their home-state candidate and throwing it to the recipient of his endorsement. Especially given the increasing likelihood that this race will continue for quite some time, and perhaps even make NC's primary viable, it doesn't seem out of the question.

Write-in John Edwards!

I don't know how Meeks can decide without the NC voters to just exclude John Edwards from the ballot. Hopefully, he has been mis-quoted. HOWEVER, I fully intend to write-in John Edwards. He's still my candidate. He won the NC Caucus in 2004---after suspending his campaign. Furthermore, there is a nation-wide effort to continue John's campaign for him. He was locked out by the media, and I don't intend to let rich conservative media moguls determine who my candidate is going to be.

Write in's don't count

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But at least you would vote your conscience, or perhaps vote uncommitted. I still think this is wrong. JRE did not instruct Meek not to put his name on the ballot and it just proves that the MSM and the DNC is now in cohoots with the MSM to drive the contest. Personally, I think the decision should be left to the voters, not the party chairman.

I'm glad that at JRE's blog many supporters are writing Meek to protest, even if folks here are resigned to the decision. There is a lot more behind the scenes (ie rumors of bad blood between Turlington and Meek) and it would have been helpful if someone locally could have investigated it a bit more, which is one of the reasons I posted it.

I'm fortunate I got to vote for Edwards on Tuesday and was proud to do so. No one, including John, did not instruct me to vote for other candidates or not to vote for him. It was my decision, and my decision alone. I would have chastised the Party in my state if they did this, and would have had a couple of backers in my corner to ensure this wouldn't happen.

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What do you mean they don't count?

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

From the same News-Observer article

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Assuming that there is one voter out there for Gravel, that means he will get more votes in North Carolina than Edwards. Write-in votes are not counted in North Carolina primaries.

Y'all's rule, not my judgment.

BTW, I used my yard sign and placed it at the polling place (the piece of real estate where it is legal to put signs) until after the polls closed, then retrieved it. When the weather gets better in April, the sign is going back up in my yard.

In reading more off the blogs, I think this may be the likely reason why Meek made the decision he did:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/7/1420/39093

I belong to a different wing of the Democratic Party now.

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From what I recall of people...

trying to organize for Nader on campus in 2000, the rule in NC is that you have to collect a certain number of signatures to get registered as a write-in candidate and have write in votes count for your candidate. I forget the number but it's fairly high, but not quite as high as to get your name on the ballot.

What am I going to do with those yard signs?????

I was planning on taking them to Dogwood Acres for voting day.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Put the out in your yard anyway!!!

The primary is about Democrats having choices and mine is John Edwards. I emailed Jerry immediately, and he gave me a similar story. He only said he couldn't get any input from the Edward's camp. Perhaps, but I want to vote for John anyway, and if I cannot 'write him in' then I am being disenfranchised as far as I am concerned.

"Come November my vote will be with the Democratic nominee, but unti May, it's John Edwards all the way!!!"

Suspended not Ended!

Silence is Betrayal