If this is true . . .

The Dome is reporting that the sales tax will stay intact and that a quarter-percentage point temporary income tax on high earners will come off as scheduled on Jan. 1. If this is true, I will have two words and two words only for the North Carolina Democratic Party. You can guess what they are.

Comments

Well, it makes sense

if you leave your commitment to the common good out of your thinking process, A. It's the only easy answer they could find this late in the session. F the poor and kiss the arse of the rich. What's not to love? [end pissy snark]

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Solid serving of Beef Stew

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

Self Expression is Not Change

And neither of those words are going to change anything.

This comment isn't really directed at Anglico, who I believe puts his money and sweat where his mouth his. For this very reason, I am surprised when he descends into mere complaint. We have an ample supply of complaint (the vast majority of North Carolinians are only too aware of what the problems are), and a desperate poverty of sweat.

The problems (or opportunities) chronicled here on an hourly basis are entirely within our control. Ain't nobody here powerless. We are obligated to make positive change happen. When progress is slow, we need to focus on what we can do, not what others failed to do for us.

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Where Liddy At?
Where is Liddy?
Anyone seen Liddy?

20/80 rule

You know how they say that 20% of the people do 80% of the work?

I think you'll find a lot of the 20 percenters right here, Jerimee. Yeah, there is a lot to do. Many of the people who post here are doing their best to get it done, and without being paid to do it.

And when our legislators fail to do what we think they should do, it is not only our right, but our responsibility to let them know that we are disappointed that they have let us down. They do still work for us, don't they? Or has that changed?

20/80

Sure, and I'd agree with this. I'm sure often enough it's 5/95. All the more reason why disgust is a luxury we can't afford. We need to find a way to get more people active, and active in an coordinated, disciplined manner.

Here's an example. The Justice Center (and many other organizations as well) fought session after session to raise North Carolina's minimum wage. The majority of GOP voters agree with raising the minimum wage. Nonetheless, it took 7 years to get the job done. This didn't happen because some new perfect leaders came into office, but because every year the Justice Center came up with a strategy based on the previous year's performance, implemented that strategy, and then took responsibility for it's outcome.

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Where Liddy At?
Where is Liddy?
Anyone seen Liddy?

Preaching to the choir

Your post last night came off very preachy; as if you were admonishing those of us who are already active, working our volunteer asses off, giving up our time and money to support progressive goals - and very often Democratic Party goals -- and telling us to be quiet and toe the line. That's not an effective way to motivate volunteers. Let the venting happen.

And don't ignore the fact that there has been lots of progress and work happening on this very site this week - an effort to email legislators this morning, fantastic organizing advice from an apparent master over the last couple of days, and as always, an incredible clearinghouse of information. And that's just the surface. We can't forget the fundraising that happens here - I've donated to candidates that I never would have heard of if it hadn't been for BlueNC. I bet others have too.

preaching

I hear you.

I'm not talking about toeing somebody else's line, or being patient, or being silent.

What I want to talk about is what I can do, and what we can do as a community. If there's not enough of us, what can we do to recruit more? If we aren't getting the results we want, how do we improve our performance? Why are things the way they are, and what kind of impact can we have?

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Where Liddy At?
Where is Liddy?
Anyone seen Liddy?

Re: Preaching to the choir

Valid points lcloud and Jerimee. Jerimee, I'd like the points you mentioned in your response to lcloud's "preaching" reply to you in as an independent blog. They are all valid, merit attention and should be discussed under its own blog, not has a sub-topic where it will get lost in the rest of the conversation about the original topic.

:-)

Self expression?

Just to be clear, this isn't mere complaint. More like mere threat. The considerable time and energy and money I spend to support a Democratic majority, the Democratic Party, and Democratic leadership is very much at risk right now.

Quite simply, it won't take much more disappointment for me to go postal like Joe Sinsheimer . . . and I mean that as a huge compliment to Joe.

The small core of progressives in this state aren't working their asses off to see the legislature sell its soul and cut taxes on the wealthiest among us. I daresay we're doing all we can right now. And quite honestly, a hearty "f*ck you" is sometimes a perfectly appropriate response to betrayal and cowardice.

You're right, of course,

but I ain't apologizing.

I'm tired, too, damn it. Twice in ten years I've been hit by a hard economy and found myself unemployed and my household with zero income. I don't kid myself that creating a working balanced budget is easy. I assume it's not. It's never been easy in my household either.

I bought my Democracy bonds and I still hold them. I'm a 50/50 donor with NCDP. I give more than I should to candidates. Twice in ten years I've found myself on the short end of the bad economy stick. Twice in ten years my household has been without income while I looked for another job. I watched lay offs happen at work this week. I have to borrow money from my daughter to buy a couple gallons of gas so I can get to work tomorrow and wait for my automatic deposit paycheck to hit my account. I'm in no mood to be lectured about complaining because I feel pretty gd powerless tonight.

So, when Democrats start throwing people in my income bracket (below the median) under the bus and making decisions that will keep the JLF'ers of the world off their backs because the poor don't pay attention and the JLF'ers do, I'll complain and bitch and moan as loud as I can, from whatever roof top I can pull my tired arse up onto, as long as I can.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

And I'll hold your microphone

and cover your back.

Wish I could write like you. This says it all.

Here begins less self-expression and more CHANGE...

Hold that mic steady, A. ;)

ahem .... looks like we may have about one month to make this right. Here is what I want to happen: either both temp taxes expire, or both are extended for a short period. If we can't get "progressive" out of our Legislature, perhaps we can at least get FAIR!!

H2044 is on the General Assembly Ratification sheet for today, June 29, and this is one section of it.

part IX. extend sunset on additional one‑quarter cent state sales and use tax rate

SECTION 9.(a) Section 24.1(j) of S.L. 2006‑66 reads as rewritten:

"SECTION 24.1.(j) Subsection (b) of this section becomes effective December 1, 2006, and applies to sales made on or after that date. Subsections (d), (f), and (h) of this section become effective January 1, 2007, and apply to taxes collected on or after that date. Subsection (c) of this section becomes effective July 1, 2007, August 1, 2007, and applies to sales made on or after that date. Subsections (e), (g), and (i) of this section become effective July 1, 2007, August 1, 2007, and apply to taxes collected on or after that date. The remainder of this section is effective when it becomes law."

SECTION 9.(b) A retailer is not liable for an over‑collection or under‑collection of sales tax if the retailer has made a good faith effort to comply with the law and collect the proper amount of tax and has, due to the change under this section in the rate of tax imposed under G.S. 105‑164.4(a), over‑collected or under‑collected the amount of sales tax that is due. This subsection applies only to the period beginning July 1, 2007, and ending August 1, 2007.

[edited to correct date, and again to add strike throughs]

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

damn right.

damn right.

:)

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"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

This isn't complaining

this is educating the decision makers on the real world. Kinda seems they throw folks under the bus they figure are working too hard to notice.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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more :)

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"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

I used to believe these problems

and opportunities were within our control. They're not. They are under the control of the current people we've elected...and they are failing us. We elect 'em and they give us the finger. If there's an ample supply of complaint it's because there is an equally ample supply of unresponsiveness in the legislature...state and national.

It might behoove you to realize you are preaching to the choir when it comes to involvement, effort and financial support to make change happen. I bit my tongue and said nothing about an earlier comment you made (somewhere...several weeks ago...can't find it) telling folks they need to get involved and help the party and so on....as if we were being given a lecture.

Here's the problem...

Our legislators aren't listening
Our party can't seem to find its own ass with both hands
There is no organized effort in many counties to get registered democrats involved until two weeks before an election....too little and too late
There appears to be no concerted effort by the party to get our elected democratic officials to listen and act in accordance with the wishes of their constituents. When i mention this to party leadership their eye's glaze and they change the subject.

I'm with Anglico...and Will Rogers who said "I'm not a member of an organized political party, I'm a Democrat"

Until this party and the Dem's we've elected start listeninfg and doing sensible things the volume of complaints is going to increase...along with a generous dose of faltering financial support.

SE NC Dems

Stan Bozarth

Yep, can't say it any better

I dont' do as much as a lot of folks here with the party, but I do work my fanny off to get Dems elected along with most others at BlueNC. I figure if anyone has earned the right to complain...it is those of us here paying attention.

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This is absurd

We're talking about $250 for every $100,000 of taxable income over $120,000

Does anybody really believe $250 is going to make or break someone making $220,000? They're buying stuff online and from catalogs without paying sales tax anyway.

Who does the Senate think it's trying to appease? Is $250 going to buy any more gratitude than George Bush's $300 rebate? Are they expecting a daisy chain of $4,000 checks when the session ends?

Daisy chain of $4000 checks

This is the maddest I think I've ever heard you sound..... Maybe mad isn't the word. Disgusted. Yup, you sound disgusted.

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I started to...

But it was just turning into insults and flames. I'm going to wait till tomorrow until I cool down enough to just be furious yet coherent.

I think it's hard to be a "party" person

You work so hard to get people elected and then they do stuff like this. It's disheartening. Easier to go for the issues and pressure those of either side to join you or be shamed.

I like trying to shame people into doing what's right. Shame on the legislature. Shame shame shame.
 
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

Who wrote recently

that blueNC is where you come to get the pulse of grassroots NC Democrats (and democrats)? Hope they feel THIS pulse on Jones Street tonight.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

"Courage is what it takes

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak. Courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." Sir Winston Churchill, a conference in Washington DC

E-mail received today from the NC Senate...

With some key issues left to resolve in our budget negotiations, Senate and House leaders decided to file a motion to extend the funding for this fiscal year an extra month. We had hoped to make our deadline, but many issues, such as the county share of Medicaid, are too important to make hasty decisions. Though many issues have yet to reach a final resolution, we did make some major advances in legislation this week that I would like to share with you.

So, how do they intend to pay for this unfunded Federal mandate if they cut taxes for the wealthiest? Oh, right, they are planning on leaving a regressive sales tax in place.

North Carolina could enact landmark energy efficiency standards to reduce the burden on foreign oil, cut pollution, and lower greenhouse gases under legislation proposed by the Senate. The legislation was the result of input and analysis from both the environmental community and the energy industry. It requires that 12.5% of North Carolina’s energy come from efficient energy or renewable energy by 2021. The bill will make North Carolina a leader in solar research and technology, establish tax credits for energy efficiency, . . .

12.5% by 2021? I’ll be 63. jcharrison, your opinion?

and phase out the sales tax in energy to manufacturers and farmers.

Oh, here’s a sales tax cut. My apologies.

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. "

Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR)

Keep speaking out James. Your ability and right to do so does not end when you walk away from the ballot box.

By that time,

63 will be the new 43, so you really shouldn't worry about...oh, you mean about the renewable energy thing? :)

What I think is the General Assembly has dropped the ball in a big way, to the point they're spouting Duke Enegy's talking points for them with the:

efficient energy or renewable energy

and since they're leaving it up to the energy companies to set their policy for them, this:

North Carolina a leader in solar research and technology

is an extremely fancy way of describing the 2/10 of one percent of energy they will allow from net-metering.

Grrrr.

I never burned my bra. I

I never burned my bra. I have never participated in a protest march. Maybe it's time.

Yes, but......

would you take it off prior to settin' a match to it?

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Both ways

Heh.

You crack me up, Mr. Flynn.

Please don't threaten the welfare

of Robin Hayes' breasts.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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I think that is the funniest site I've ever seen

love the disclaimer at the bottom of the page.

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Ugh

I'm going to be making some more phone calls tomorrow, and I think I'm going to be doing some yelling.

Tony Rand, you are a disgrace to this state and to this party.

Once again taxing the wrong people

Ordinary folks in North Carolina are angry about so-called "tax and spend Democrats" for exactly this sort of maneuver.

I would like to see a study of the proportional share that businesses and individuals pay in taxes, with data from 1946 to the present. And a study of the impact of taxes on income groups. Then we will understand why a lot of the "little guys" are tax-averse.

The only news that made me angrier today was the Supreme Court decision against voluntary desegregation and the news that our esteemed Democratic Congress wants to give itself a $4400 pay raise just because other federal employees are getting a COLA increase. Meanwhile there are lots of people in NC for whom a $4400 increase would represent a 40% increase in pay.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

Exactly!!

It shows such a lack of awareness of the people they represent! Do they realize how many of their constituents would call a $4400 pay increase a gift from God? I realize that they work hard (most of them) and I admire anyone on either side of the aisle (mostly) who wants to dedicate themselves to public service.

How many of them are there? 435? Multiply that by $4400. That's nearly $2 million dollars. Not a lot in the federal budget, but nothing to sneeze at. I bet it would help buy plane tickets home from Iraq. I bet it could improve some schools right there in inner city DC. I bet that it would leverage a lot of health care for children in the SCHIP program.

Just sayin. If I were a legislator, I'd refuse the pay raise, and shame my fellows in to doing the same thing. (At least I think I would.)

Quote from Barney Frank

from the McHenry thread . . .

"I think penalizing hypocrisy is a legitimate response in politics."

I love this statement. Hypocrisy is all around us, and frankly, I have almost become resigned to it. But this quote from Congressman Frank emboldens me. Penalizing hypocrisy IS a legitimate response in politics . . . and it's high time we get on with it. That's what Joe Sinsheimer is trying so hard to do.

What is it with these Democratic politicians in our state?

So many lost jobs. Did the wealthy lose those jobs? Perhaps some did, yet at least most would have had some backup funds to hold them until they found work. Most people live paycheck to paycheck and mortgage payment to mortgage payments. How is this not obvious to our Representatives? What will it take to get them to understand that it is WE, the week to week paycheck types who vote for them so they can treat us like this?

I'll march too. When and where?

John Edwards to Republicans: I'm in ur base, takin' ur votez!

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!