Gov race

While I'm sure Perdue's people have excellent poll numbers explaining why they want to bring up vouchers, I'm a little baffled as to why they'd want to come out and attack on it so quickly. It just looks very contrived and allows McCrory a chance to emphasize the change-the-tone theme.
If the general election strategy is to attack rather than inspire, this race could tighten very, very quickly.


I agree completely

That one took me totally by surprise.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Heard the debate

Wonder how Perdue is going to handle the statement that there is a 30% drop out rate in our school system today?

She is suppose to be in charge of the school system as LT Gov? If my understanding of the position of LT gov is correct, she has a lot of explaining to do on education.

There was 5 questions asked, I gave three of the questions to McCrory and one question was a push. One question I felt neither answered so it was a wash.

I saw questions being answered by McCrory and all I saw out of Perdue was dimple smiles.

Both of them really would not answer the questions, but would expound on their predetermined desires. Such as McCrory with his fists touching each other a few times. Both saying the judges etc need pay raises etc.

On the comments of giving DA and judges a pay raise that would keep people in public office vice moving to the private sector, if Perdue felt that way vice just giving the audience what they wanted to here, has she been championing giving an increase to judges and DAs as Lt. gov? I really do not know that answer. It was just a question that came up in my mind when she was talking.

McCrory mentioned he was reelected 7 times(?) as mayor and he supposedly has a stance of crossing the party lines to get things accomplished. I have not seen any kind of comments bring into question this claim.

Both gave answers to the people in the audience vice to the people of North Carolina. Instead of looking at the camera and acknowledging I was out here watching, they both felt the audience was the people only in the room.

Perdue is in charge of the education system and she was not offended when McCrory mentioned the drop out rate and how potentially the drop out rate would also lead to higher people in the criminal system. (my interpritation of the comments made). I got the impression it really did not bother her that on her watch, there is a 30% drop out rate for a program she is supposedly the champion of the state for.

Unless the drop out rate was really high before she took office, to me that is a failure. She failed the kids of our state on her watch.

As far as inspired, Perdue did not inspire me at all. McCrory had the better podium presences and better talking points. His bringing up the same points over and over started to become a turn off. Perdue just tried to stand up their and smile her way through the debate. She also repeated the same comments over and over.

Both of them, I can no longer remember the salient points they were trying to make other than one gave me a hint of being accessible while the other was just standing up there not doing much of anything to make me want to run out and support.

From a review of that debate, I would give the vote to McCrory.

If Perdue wants to be gov, she had better do more on that podium then she did. She had better inspire folks and she better be able to explain the 30% failure rate. She better be able to explain why the voucher system should not be tried when she already has a failing system on her hands. These vouchers just might work? If I had kids and I saw that my school was not meeting my goals of education, I would not want to waste any more money on that process nor would I want my kids to have to endure that system. If vouchers send a message to the educators and the state to fix the education system, than I am all for vouchers. 30% dropout rate indicates the method being utilized right now is a failure. She indicates she does not want to experiment with vouchers, but apparently she is willing to experiment with our kids. Nope, not a person I want in charge of my state for the next 4 years.


She is suppose to be in charge of the school system as LT Gov?

Not sure where you came up with this, but the LG is not in charge of the school system in any way, shape or form.


I was under the impression that she was at or near the top regarding the public education system.....With that, what I said attributing a failed program to her watch has to be removed or stricken as she is not responsible for it. I thought I read that it was the LT Gov that is the head of the education system, tis why I attributed this to her.

So who is at the top of NC education system? The Gov? Who owns this 30% drop out rate problem and who or what is responsible for fixing it?

Thank you James for making me smarter. Now to edit that other post, if possible.

The governor claims a lot of responsibility

when things are going well ... but the official accountability lies with the Department of Public Instruction, which you can read about here.

That said, everyone has a piece of the pie and, as you know, they all want to be seen as "pro-education."

McCrory is taking the free-market approach. He wants to privatize education, turning your tax dollars into revenue streams for private companies that profit from delivering educational services. To some that sounds appealing, but I'm skeptical. The track record of charter schools is very sketchy.

NC state board of education

has near the top in some capacity LT Gov Perdue

LT GOV is ex officio to the NC State Board of Education

Lieutenant Governor Beverly Eaves Perdue, elected to the office in 2000, is an ex officio member of the Board.

Ex officio is by virtue of the office. The position of LT Gov is part of the NC State board of education.

The guiding mission of the North Carolina State Board of Education is that every public school student will graduate from high school, globally competitive for work and postsecondary education and prepared for life in the 21st Century.

The State Board of Education consists of the Lieutenant Governor, the Treasurer, and eleven members appointed by the Governor. The Governor's appointees are subject to confirmation by the General Assembly in joint session.

She has been on the Board since 2000 with an impact to NC school systems. As such, my original post needs no modification. On her watch, she has been failing the guiding mission statement with the 30% drop out rate comment that she did not dispute.

say what?

There are 15 people on the board with 7 advisers. Exactly how is Perdue in charge?

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Never said she was

but she is part of the Board as a perminient appointee based on the position as LT GOV.

While she is not the chair of this Board, she is up there. She has been on the "executive committee" for educational issues. She has had a say. She is not a bystander looking in at the process, but is involved within the process.

As far as I am concerned, the success and/or failure of our educational system is carried by a greater degree on her shoulders.

The make up of this Board looks like it is not chain of command in nature, rather round table in nature, with everyone on the Board equal or near equal partners. They all ride the tidal wave of success as well as any potential failings.

The fact that a large portion of NC parents or a vocal minority of parents desire a voucher system indicates that the needs of many children are not being met, OR the expectations of many parents are above what should be considered acceptable in a public school system. Not sure which.

So while Perdue is not in charge of this Board, she has had a greater hand in the NC school systems than McCrory. By listening to the moms at the local soccer games, etc. there is a rumbling of discourse about NC school systems. This rumbling Perdue has had 8 years to help turn.

All I can say is based on her reaction (or lack of a reaction) when McCrory mentioned the 30% drop out rate, I will question her success rate in the educational arena. Apparently this drop out rate is close to factual, and she has to take much of the credit for that drop rate. 70% of all the 4th grade students (9 year olds) in 2000 did not drop out of school. I do not know what the drop out rate was before Perdue became LT Gov. But that statement of ALL NC students ready to accept the challenge does not come close if only 70% accomplished the mission. When I was growing up, that was C- and would have been a D if it was a 69. But when we look at the actual drop outs, those are people NC failed for some reason.

I hope the little one I watch, who last week "graduated" to middle school, is striving to be in the 70%. I am helping her and working with her to strive to be in that 70%. I do not like the odds the state is accepting. 30% is way outside my comfort zone when it comes to a life decision made by someone less than 18 years old. There is way to many of her peers that will take the easy way out because the state accepted and provided this system. I hope I can convince her not to take the easy way out and become one of the 30%.

Man, that is a huge number. 30% Those are fair odds in the grand scheme of things. Wonder how many kids become doctors? Bet it is less than 30%. Teachers? probably less than 30%. High school drop out? 30%, probably one of the higher groupings of kids in North Carolina school systems. Vocational training? We are talking almost a third of our kids might drop out of school. How many go to the military? probably less than 30%.

One of the best questions in NC

"So who is at the top of NC education system?"

Superintendent of Public Instruction is a statewide elected position with little power.

Lt Gov. has a seat on the State Board of Education.

State Board of Education is an appointed body.

Local Boards of Education implement policy, but must receive funding from their local Board of County Commissioners.

All of the above while following regulations from the Department of Public Instruction.

AND Don't forget the Leandro ruling from NC's judical branch.

When feeling cynical, I say no one is responsible.

In truth, we are all responsible at every level and in every branch of NC government.


I htink it's actually muddier than that,

believe it or not. Have a look at this organizational chart. Anybody see any lines of responsibility coming from the elected Superintendent's box? Oddly enough, there isn't even a box for the Lt. Gov. on this chart. Looks to me like the Deputy Superintendent runs things and reports to the Chair Howard Lee who reports to the Gov.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Good point

And then of course, there's the Federal Gov's role.

No Child Left Behind has had a big impact on our state's public schools. Of course, not all good, that's for sure.

NC has made great strides in their public educational system over the decades, coming up from one of the lowest ranking systems in the nation.

A good deal of the progress is due to Democratic led efforts. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of progress in our school systems is the result of Democratic efforts/programs.

With regard to vouchers, vouchers do not offer realistic choices for middle or lower income parents. They merely supplement wealthier families' tuition costs. Most families cannot afford private tuition for their grade and high school children, even with a couple of hundred dollar voucher.

Draining resources from our public school system, through programs such as vouchers, is a typical Republican tactic: Look out only for those on the top and screw regular Americans.

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Vouchers may not be the answer

but the current system is not working either. Not if there is a 30% drop out rate?

Status quo is not the answer.

The real answer is getting parents involved. Parents actually looking at their kids homework assignments and sitting down and looking to see if the child completed it. Parents going to school board meetings and listening to what is being discussed and changing things that are wrong. Parents listening to their child to see what problems the child has with the school and then rationally discussing the problem with the school.

Reasons for Having a State Board of Education

The State Board of Education reflects the separation of education policy making from partisan politics while advocating education for all children. The Board communicates a vision for redefining and improving education and ensures that all students have equal educational opportunities. State boards work in partnership with the public to include all stakeholders in their decision making.

The State Board of Education exists to make sure that the opinions of the public are considered. The Board provides adequate checks and balances to maintain a clear line of authority, to provide a balance of power for the education system, and to avoid total control by the executive and legislative bodies.

Parental involvement

Parental involvement certainly is important but it's not the be all, end all solution.

We need adequate resources so that we can pay teachers a decent wage and provide acceptable materials and programs within our schools.

Our children are in school the better part of the day. What the parents do at home in the evening, will not necessarily compensate for substandard conditions at the schools.

Further, for parents who work, most of whom do, there is only so much time in the day to try to make up for the school's shortcomings.

Speaking from personal experience, as a working mother with two children in public school, I can assure you, it's not so easy. I couldn't imagine what it would be like for single parents. Those parents who work two jobs to stay afloat. Where would the time come from to compensate for poor schools?

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