Want proof that John Edwards has given up the Clinton Triangulation strategy? I direct you to Philgoblue's diary here, and blatantly steal from it below. All of this revolves around Gen. Pace, whom many here have diaried about. So, what do our leading candidates have to say about his words, which were:
"My upbringing is such that I believe there are certain things, certain types of conduct, that are immoral. ... I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts," he said.
What OUR candidates had to say about that immorality, after the break.
First up, Obama, which Kos diaried about last night.
Andy Towle of Towleroad reports a bit more than Kos, but they essentially were both riffing off Newsday.
Newsday caught Obama as he was leaving the firefighters convention and asked him three times if he thought homosexuality is immoral.
Answer 1: "I think traditionally the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman has restricted his public comments to military matters. That's probably a good tradition to follow."
Answer 2: "I think the question here is whether somebody is willing to sacrifice for their country, should they be able to if they're doing all the things that should be done."
Answer 3: Signed autograph, posed for snapshot, jumped athletically into town car.
Now up, Hillary Clinton, our very own Goldwater Girl.
I also asked her about the comments by General Peter Pace that homosexuality is "immoral."
[Clinton dodges the question with a discussion of 'Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell', so ... asked again]
But is it immoral?
"Well I'm going to leave that to others to conclude," she said. "I'm very proud of the gays and lesbians I know who perform work that is essential to our country, who want to serve their country and I want make sure they can."
Right, now what about that shifty John Edwards fellow, who "isn't there yet" on Gay Marriage. Yesterday on The Situation Room.
BLITZER: First of all, in your opinion, is homosexuality immoral?
EDWARDS: I don't -- don't share that view.
Well, obviously, this is just a put up because of what JUST happened.
Earlier, on 4 February 2007 on Meet the Press, Edwards spoke the words that ought to be obvious to all Democrats and good people everywhere.
MR. RUSSERT: ... do you believe that homosexuality is a sin?
SEN. EDWARDS: No.
Right. So, what this tell us is that the Democratic Party is pathetic when it comes to equal rights. We're the Democratic Party of 1960 with respect to equal right for African-Americans. The only good news is, that just like 1960 became 1970, so too will 2007 become 2017. When my son is 16, I don't believe we will have this issue before us, except in the same way race is an issue. Not legally, but logically. Making sure that the law is upheld to provide equal rights to all.
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Maybe you don't agree with him on everything.
But, at least he just comes right out and tells you how he feels.
Refreshing.
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
Amen.
Looks like I'll be climbing on this bandwagon.
Amen
Well said.
Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03
Forgive the pun. . .
But I don't think Obama is ready to come out on this yet. What he's dealing with is that the GOP has been working one of his core constituencies, black churches, to try and drive a wedge between them and the Dems. But that does not exonerate him from leading on the issue! When he does come out, I'll hold him to the same standards I've held Edwards to on this thing. To me, our unequivocal position on human rights is the bedrock of our party. Without it we are nothing.
And it's funny you hold up Edwards' thing on Meet the Press again. While he's certainly appears to be a little ahead on the issue,he's not gotten his Straight Talk Express out of 3rd gear yet. He did quite a bit of equivocating on the subject, cloaking himself in his SBC upbringing, after the short answer on sinfulness. He's running for President, damn it, not lobbying to be an archbishop in a church, so the important part of his answer was what came after he declared it wasn't a sin.
But rest assured that when Obama chooses to answer this question in the forum of his choice, and it won't be Newsday, I'll definitely be watching him more hawkishly because of this. And I would LOOOOOOVVVVEEE to see Edwards take a better lead on this to force the hands of Obama, Hills, et al. He's doing it on everything else!
Reminder, back in 2004, Edwards was the John C Calhoun of this issue---state's rights should determine this issue. By that calculus, we'd still have slavery. That, in effect is what's happening. Instead of slave states, abolitionist states and border states, we have civil union states, DOMA states, and those rewriting their Constitutions with bigotry. What a country! We make the same mistakes all over again on civil rights.
War is over if you want it.
I think this gives him the perfect opportunity
to equate Marriage Equality with Civil Rights. To go into a friendly church and lay down the position that what Ann Coulter and James Dobson support is no better than what the opponents of integration and voters rights did in the 1950s and 60s.
In short, he needs to stand up and say that "faggot" is the new "nigger".
And, yes, it took me a good
tentwenty minutes to post that sentence. Sometimes the hate makes you cringe. Don't support the mouthing of one hate-word, without remembering who stood behind you in the fight against the other.Aargh! I've opened this comment to edit that sentence. What a horrible word, but THIS is how people need to feel when they hear the "f-word" uttered by Coulter.
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
You're right.
Absolutely! So grab the brass ring, Senator Edwards!!!
War is over if you want it.
He said "No"
Do you realize how rare and precious is a "one word" answer from
a Political candidate?
MR. RUSSERT: "Do you believe that homosexuality is a sin"? SEN. EDWARDS: "No".
It is only one word, but it speaks volumes about the man who said it.
He is unafraid to be judged by those who would hear him.
John Edwards is content to let his Yea be Yea and his Nea be Nea.
Most of us cannot honestly say that about ourselves.
Fear drives most of the decisions being made in Washington today.
I do not like to sound hokey, but I really believe that John Edwards is almost fearless in this croweded field of fast talkers and tap dancers who would be President.
Democrats need to get on board with John Edwards and support him.
Be fearless.
Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03
But my point
Is that it wasn't a one-word answer on the subject. The subject goes far more deeply than whether it's a sin or not. And that,Marshall, is where he's not as eloquent as you are (I love your posts, by the way), or he is, normally.
It was truly the low point of the interview for him. He stammered through a much longer answer in which he said he's "not ready to go there" or somehting like that, regarding full equality. And the cloaking with the Southern Baptist convention---that's disgusting and beneath him.
But, otherwise, I love the guy just like you guys do. My problem here,as I've said before, is how he seems to be finessing this issue while being so bold on everything else.
War is over if you want it.
You're right.
I'm telling you, he has had this issue handed to him on a Golden Platter. He KNOWS the right thing to do, and Ann Coulter has given him the opening to do it.
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
I won't repeat the word again, because your usage was powerful
And I don't want to be gratuitous in response,but gay people are the new n-----s. They proved a powerful scapegoat in 2004, but as the Who said, We Won't get Fooled Again. We being the majority of Americans who not only have no problems with gay people, gay lifestyles, etc---we quite want them, like all other citizens of this once-great land, to have equality.
Coulter just moved their piece the wrong way. It's time for Edwards to move into checkmate position on this. Have him declare a war on scapegoating once and for all.
War is over if you want it.
Um...
No, they aren't.
The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
Yes, they are
To the GOP. This is a party with a sizeable wing of folks who migrated away from the Democratic Party throughout the 60s and 70s due to the civil rights movement-era policies of the Democrats. They are racist, xenophobic, and homophobic. While these people can't get away with openly, vocally slurring black people like they could years ago, they THINK they can get away with using the f----t word in public with no backlash. That's what I mean when I say gays are the new n-----s. And it's up to all of us to make sure that doesn't happen. I have been heartened by the fact that many people, even a few in the GOP, have rushed to shut Coulter down. That wouldn't have happened in 04. Times are changin', thank God.
War is over if you want it.
Give Her The Credit She Deserves
From your "Goldwater Girl:"
The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
Wow!
the first time I've ever been allowed to enter the mind of Hillary. I like what I see. Would like to see it more often.
War is over if you want it.
Obama Clarifies Position
I think hearkening back to his 2004 DNC speech would've been good, but this gets the point across:
The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
I'm glad that the other candidates have changed their wording...
once they had a chance to talk with their consultants.
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
Snap!
That's so cold, yo.
War is over if you want it.
Seriously
If you believe that Sen. Edwards doesn't talk to his consultants before making his statements, I have a bridge in Alaska that I'd love to sell you.
The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. - Robert F. Kennedy
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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy
....but that bridge doesn't go anywhere :)
I think the Coulter slur probably gave Edwards a chance to prepare for questions, even if he didn't know what those questions might be and that they might be as a result of something someone else said or did. His initial answer was not studied or delayed, so obviously he didn't check with his consultants on that. That doesn't mean they hadn't prepared for this previously.
It does tell me something that Clinton and Obama were not prepared for this line of questioning and apparently were not able to "say what they mean" with their initial responses.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Don't get ruffled.
All I'm saying is that when the question came up, one person answered "right" on the spot, while the others had to wait overnight and then release a "statement".
Seriously, I'm just screwing with you. Do I think Hillary or Barack think homosexuality is immoral? No. Do I think they avoided answering the question? Yes. None of us can imagine the pressure they are under, 18 hour work days with people in your face every minute, every word scrutinized, every action, every wink, every handshake. None of us.
Except John Edwards. He's been through it. And, it seems to me he has decided to just say what he is feeling, even if it isn't perfect.
Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me
Speaking of 18 hour work days
John Edwards doesn't have a job right now. He resigned from the Poverty Ctr at UNC, so he has the luxury of full-time campaigning while the rest have to do their jobs, too. And, God bless him, he's taking full advantage. . .
War is over if you want it.
Snap X 2
Oh yea, after consultants!
SNAP oh Yea, Snap.
and Obama and Clinton have the opportunity
to promote themselves on the Senate floor by submitting legislation they might not otherwise submit.....not that either would evvvvver do anything that was politically motivated. :)
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.
Of course not. ..
But have you noticed that their legislation, particularly Obama's on Iraq, has gotten lost in the shadows of the larger debate. . .very interesting.
Normally, I'd say O and C have the advantage, but E is actually better positioned as an outsider pushing the envelop.
War is over if you want it.
What debate?
Sadly, all I see is a bunch of posturing.....and not by O,C or E.
Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.
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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.