Democratic Debate Open Thread

Tonight the grownup will not be in the room. John Edwards is at the Carolina v. Boston College game with his daughter Cate. The first debate without JRE brings all sorts of questions to mind. Will Clinton and Obama get snippy with each other? Will the debate have any substance? Will the pundits annoy the ever loving daylights out of us? Will I actually start liking one of the remaining candidates? Does it matter? The nominee will be selected long before our primary in North Carolina and I will most certainly vote for the eventual nominee. I don't have to like him or her.

So, let the debate begin. Maybe, just maybe those of us who are undecided or who don't think we like either one will get a chance to see something new tonight. I hope so.

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Obama says his plan for health care is paid for

by eliminating tax cuts on the rich and by doing medical prevention. He stated by doing this, his health plan is paid for. humm?

Clinton will pay for this by taking bush tax cuts, ppl making 250,000 would make 250 million, the other 55 billion would come from modernization and efficency.

bush adm given enourmous tax credits

move toward electronic records to save 77 billion a year.

They both agree that people will end up paying more in taxes for this. but they feel that the rich will be the primary target.

On health care portion, they seem to be saying the same thing. A wash.

We going back to tax rate before bush we where doing well.

Illegal immigrants ....

here's a big difference between the two camps

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Progressive Discussions

No cable

Is this being streamed online?

I should know this, but I don't--party hack indeed!

yes

CNN.com

Got it! Thanks!

Now if I could only break my own rules and smoke in the house!

No More

I think Wolf Blitzer should never be allowed to moderate another debate.

Good lord...

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

Hollywood

Well, they sure were congenial. The one thing I've learned as an "insider" is just how much of politics is clumsy theater. Clearly, calls have been made and the word has come down.

Fascinating, as always. Survivor, the Presidential surges onward....almost makes you think the writers strike was planned somehow.

Congeniality

Maybe they got the same email I did this week:
 

I like it!

Clumsy theater or not.

MoveOn members endorse Obama

From their e-mail:

With hundreds of thousands of ballots cast across the country, for the first time in MoveOn's history, we've voted together to endorse a presidential candidate in the primary. That candidate is Barack Obama.

Something big is clearly happening. A few weeks ago, MoveOn members we surveyed were split. But with John Edwards bowing out, progressives are coming together. Obama won over 70% of the vote yesterday, and he's moving up in polls nationwide.

MoveOn will now attempt to put their 3.2 million members to work for Obama before Super Tuesday. More information: moveon.org

Now THAT's a poster

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

lcloud said it first but

I was going to say the same thing. Very cool poster.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

What's Edwards waiting for?

Quite an important Presidential cycle, no? What's keeping John from motivating his supporters in a certain positive direction BEFORE Super Tuesday? I'm awfully curious, regardless of who he'd endorse. Not that Edwards' supporters would automatically vote for whomever he suggested, but for some reason It seems like we're kind of losing the voice of a group of terribly passionate Americans, nationwide. Any opinions?

My opinion...Edwards will not support either Candidate until

the nominee is selected. I believe he suspended before 2/5 because he did not wish to be, or be seen as, a "spoiler" in what was clearly becoming an Obama/Clinton race. In that same train of thought, if he threw his support now to one or the other, and that person ultimately loses to the Republican someone would find a way of laying that loss at his feet...saying if he had kept his own counsel the other candidate might have been the nominee and not lost to the Republican. John, I think, is going to leave the nominating process to the people and let the candidates win or lose on their own merits.

My republican friends had previously said if the election came down to Edwards versus anyone but McCain, they would vote Edwards...but if it's McCain they're going to vote for him versus any Dem. On the other hand, I don't have a lot of Republican friends, so that may just be anecdotal and meaningless.

A lot can happen between now and the convention.

Stan Bozarth

New Obama ad

here.

The only candidate left in the race whose words are worth setting to music...

And how did Kareem's endorsement get lost in the shuffle?

Here It Is

It's actually not from the campaign--according to the ABC News report, two supporters (will.i.am of the Black Eyed Peas and Jesse Dylan, son of the legendary Bob Dylan) developed the idea independently. Word got out about the song and all these celebrities came to participate.

I get all emotional everytime I watch it.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

Really creative take.

As much as I loathe anything involving the Black Eyed Peas, this is quite the idea. As always, John Legend's voice is like fucking butter, baby.

Very moving.

I've played a couple of times this morning, and now it's stuck in my head. "Yes We Can" is not a thing to have playing in your head all day.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi