BlueNC Community Rules - Open Thread

In an effort to promote an open forum here at BlueNC, we haven't imposed a long list of rules or established a large number of offenses that would result in the deletion of content or IP banning of a registered user. However, certain rules are necessary to protect an open forum. For example, exposing someone's offline identity when they've taken precautions to protect it, threats and excessive "trollish behavior could all be considered reasons for banning a user.

We are currently working on the wording of these rules so that they can be added to the FAQ this weekend, however, I'd like to open this up for discussion. Are there other rules we need to discuss? Is there something you think we're missing? (OK...keep it within reason.)

I'll update this as the FAQ is updated.

Thanks for your input.

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If anyone exposes my identity, you're in trouble.

Though I will give a hint - I was in the third row, stage left of the penultimate Price is Right with Bob Barker yesterday ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Sam Spencer

I would never dream of exposing you.

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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

You changed your name! I mean, not like that's your real name or anything ...

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

My real name is much longer

I'll stick with the shortened version.

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I have this secret power

His name is Lance. :)

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I sill like

the "intolerably obnoxious" standard.

And I reiterate my personal promise to stop swearing, except under duress.

the only rule i see we need to make is the

NO POLITICS Rule! We cannot talk about politics here.

Why we always talkin politics here?

Geeze, cant we talk about something else?

And we also gotta get rid of the color blue!

OOOOO im gonna be banned for sure!

Im laughing my butt off here!

One rule I would like is if you did not hear it or see it then dont write it. If you cant link it or difentively say yes, I witnessed this, then its a fart in the wind....dont write to be a fart in the wind...

That is a good rule.

It's something of a courtesy right now, the whole "add a link" thing or say what paper source you found it in.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

please try

to explain abbriviations and things like CTC.....unless its common knowledge, please spell it out. If its spelt out anywhere in the blog, thats fine.

Some of us are babes in the blogin world and these abbriviations well, kinda zoom over my head.

but this one might not be as bad as I am thinking.

Every 5th blog entry must "bash" A. Gotta get him worked up so we can help him stop all the frickin swearin.

OOOO, another one, NOONE can ever complain or call out my spellin problems. I know I cant spell........spellin is not a priority or a requirement. ooo ok, ill try to spell better. but dont hold my feet to that fire. ill be stumped to my knee caps in no time.

I got a D one time in grade school for spellin, my parents threw me a party, it was not an F! I always thought F stood for fantastic, when i was going thru grade school....who'd of thunk it ment something else.

You crack me up

...but I refuse to bash, A........that often. :)

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This may be inappropriate

for me to mention, and it is probably impossible (or extremely difficult) to enforce, but I would like to see some sort of declaration by those who advocate for issues that they do not (or do) stand to gain personally from their cause.

One of the things that makes BlueNC such an interesting place is the aura of action. Things are happening here, important issues are being discussed, many of which carry a price tag of some sort or another. Be it fundraising, legislation which draws on taxpayer revenue, etc., this is more than just a forum to air views or let off steam. Actions here could and probably have influenced the direction that monies are spent, and therein lies the danger.

In a perfect world, where everybody shares the same strong belief in ethical standards and behavior, this type of concern would be unnecessary. We don't live there.

absolutely

I do not believe that this is something that should be a bannable offense or anything like that, but there should be an expectation that all potential connections should be met with disclaimers.

Draft Brad Miller-- NC Sen ActBlue

"Keep the Faith"

I agree totally sc

I get angry when I only find out much later that someone pushing for us to email our legislators about a bill (or someone promoting a candidate) was doing so at least partially because they were being paid or stood to benefit personally.

It's not like we wouldn't care about an issue or a person just because an advocate promoting it or them is no amateur.

But I'm not sure we can have a rule. It can be a strongly worded suggestion, I would think.

Whether it's mentioned or not, I think paid advocates who don't reveal their connections never develop the relationships they would have had if they had been more up front in the first place. I can't imagine that we won't find out eventually that they weren't just a sincere advocate.
 
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Instead of a rule

We could have a community guideline maybe? You know....no sock puppets....astroturfing...professional lobbyists without disclosure.......

Ultimately, it's up to us to discover this by engaging the folks who write here. If it continues to sound too much like an advertisement/press release, then we should probably dig deeper.

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I personally stand to gain from Health Care for All.

Based on the fact that I currently spend about $20,000 a year on health care.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Good point, Robert.

I know you were making a humorous observation on a painful subject, but it is good to explore the differences between benefiting from something along with the majority and direct personal gains derived from the process of public policy machinations. While these two are not necessarily mutually exclusive, the former thrives on the free flow of information while the latter often requires the reverse.

As I've alluded to before, if good policy springs from unethical roots, it's merely an accident, and a rare one at that. If an advocate has personal financial ties to a candidate or a piece of legislation, they are much more likely to withhold critical information that is necessary for people to make a reasoned decision, if they deem this information detrimental to their cause/pocketbook.

This withholding of vital information deserves a special appellation, which will quickly and easily identify the behavior involved. As such, I think it would be appropriate to take the proper noun Nifong and squeeze it into verb form, and make "Nifonging will not be tolerated" one of the rules. :)

eta: Anglico beat me to it! Meh, his version has more action in it.

I say we set the bar high

and go with A's "intolerably obnoxious" standard. My Dad always told me to shoot for the stars. ;)

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

True ...

I'd have to agree with you there, lcloud. My bad. I guess I was inappropriately snarking ... thinking of this post. It landed me in a rather intense disagreeable discussion at the next public meeting with a fellow JoCo progressive because the tone of my post toward a certain advocacy group was seen as "hateful".

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Hateful?

That was one of my favorite posts ever! And by the way, that "certain advocacy group" deserves all the scorn we can muster. What's "hateful" is what they're doing to shred the common good in North Carolina.

Stay on 'em.

I do think that if you are

I do think that if you are going to do a hit piece on someone you do need to out yourself. When I came out with the whoischrismintz website and first posted here you guys called me on it and I did come out and say who I was......I think that was right.

That's also a pretty good example

Of the community self-policing in the absence of hard and fast rules. I absolutely agree that there are things that should be declared to be per se intolerable. But everything else -- putting your own name on a strong opinion, for example, or being up front about one's connections -- is a question of community standards, which it doesn't do much good to write down. That is, if a day comes when the community won't demand a certain transparency, well then that's just the kind of community it is (no matter what the FAQ says).

I think that the biggest reason to have rules against outing, for example, is so that community leaders are clear on when they can act quickly to remove content (and, if necessary, bad users) without having to wait for a consensus to develop. A post identifying an anonymous user is fairly quickly damage done, so deciding on a course of action in advance seems wise. And not just Confucius wise, or Solon wise -- BETSY wise! The rule is a tool for community self-preservation first, and a statement of community values only incidentally. Or so it seems to me.

Thank you Lance!

I have my name! :) It looks like The Southern Dem is no longer.

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You were one of the FIRST posters

I ever connected with, at MyDD, a long time ago.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Thanks Robert

I will still be Southern Dem at Dkos and MyDD. I just don't comment there as often b/c I'm here.

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Took me long enough

:)

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Something I've had asked several times

by different people is how we determine when a candidate piece goes on the front page. This wasn't much of a problem when Brad Miller and Larry Kissell were the only candidates coming to BlueNC.

I don't think any of us want to be unfair and give one Dem candidate more exposure than another prior to a primary. I imagine a lot of it will depend on who comes to BlueNC and who doesn't. We probably need to remind folks to vote to put on the recommended list.

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So ... are you willing to front page

A pro-Gravel diary? l-)

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

I think she means...

which diary BY one of the candidates. If Mike wants to stop by and post himself, I think that would be front-pagable. Just like if EE comes by to live blog. But, as the election nears and we have twenty Lt. Gov. candidates blogging....

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

That's what I meant

I guess I wasn't very clear.

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I'm glad you brought this up, Betsy

I think front pagers have their pet candidates and can't help but promote them while the other candidates, by human nature, won't get as much exposure.

However (yes, I'm admitting it, Lance), the recommended pieces do get a longer exposure. I'm sure that will prove to be a big help to candidates who don't have a front pager to promote them.

As to the ones not being written about at all: Now we have the NCDP's Jerimee Richir who, I feel certain, will make damn sure all the candidates know about BlueNC. I know I told candidates about BlueNC very early in 2006 and several of them just didn't have anyone who would post for them (or didn't get my point!) I also feel certain Jerimee will work to make sure that doesn't happen in 2008.

Kudos to Jerry Meek for having the foresight to be the first state party chair in the country to hire an internet communications director. And props to Jerimee for being so good at it. And to BlueNC for making Jerimee's job easier . . .
 
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I think Jerimee's in a tough spot and doing a good job

He has to put up with me telling him, "we ain't no stinking arm of the stinking NCDP" and turn around and smile and write the awesome Liddy Dole stuff he's putting out. He's a good egg.....I think we'll keep him. :) (Have I embarrassed you yet, Jerimee?)



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They're my cookies, dammit!

I'm sure it had something to do with me opening two BlueNC windows at the same time, but I just got a big warning message about my cookies being unrecognizable, possibly because someone stole them to falsely post under my name (like I'm not paranoid enough as it is, right?)

Anyway, if you see me post something stupid(er), it's not me, it's the damn cookie thief, okay? :)

Speaking of cookies,

I finally figured out the truth behind parents restricting access to the cookie jar (yes, I'm slow). The whole "might spoil your dinner" thing is merely a clever way to conceal the real reason, which is: "I bought the damn cookies, but I'm not really in a cookie mood right now, but when I get in the mood for a cookie, there better be some left or I'm liable to snap, endangering the lives of those within reach."

New rule: Leaving a few cookie remnants in the jar is not the same thing as "saving some" for other people, so there must always be a strategic reserve of at least two (2) complete and undamaged cookies, which can only be removed by a) the person holding the receipt for said cookies, or b) the person who is replenishing the cookie stock.

eta: This was me, not the cookie thief.

F-bombs

I propose we adopt the rule that Daily Kos has implement: No f-bombs on the front page.

I've noticed that the admins there routinely clean up diaries with F--- that get recommended to the recommended list. Sometimes it's just titles, but sometimes it's also text.

Having been one of our own worst offenders, I have come to conclude that's a good rule. BlueNC is getting a ton of new visitors lately and our readership is up in the thousands every day.

More to the point, I've heard from a few folks that my own language has been off-putting to new readers.

So with that said, I respectfully request that F-bombs be reserved for posts that aren't on the front-page. Also, once a post gets recommended to the top list, please consider cleaning them up if required.

NOTE: I'm not trying to police or restrain general posts in any way. If you want to rant, go for it. Because I know I sure do sometimes.

As a corollary

If you don't like/agree with someone's clearly-marked rant, don't leave comments personally attacking that person.

Damn right.

:)

Don't let it get to you . . . everyone I know gets snippy sometimes and George (zabouti) is a good guy. I'm not sure what set him off, but I will protect your right to rant with my dying breath.

All is well.

Me neither.

But whatevs, man.

I agree, though, rants are not front page material. Especially if they've got cussin'.