“Have You No Sense of Decency, Sir?”

This is cross-posted from The Progress Pulse

I got to thinking about that famous quote this week as I read about the fawning reception for Rudy Giuliani at the Civitas Institute and about George Tenet’s 4 million dollar book advance. Here’s what I wonder about. Since when is it OK for a public official to preside over a disaster and then be paid millions of dollars to tell us about it? Giuliani received 8 million dollars in speaking fees in 2002 after 9/11. Now his business group, Giuliani Partners, makes millions “consulting” on security matters. I mean, who declared him a security expert? Now I don’t blame Giuliani for 9/11, but does anyone think New York City was well prepared for the disaster from a security standpoint? Wasn’t it Rudy who stubbornly decided to put the new emergency command center in one of the World Trade Center buildings? We all know how that worked out.

9/11 has often been called our generation’s “Pearl Harbor.” Here’s one difference. Both senior commanders at Pearl Harbor, Navy Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, and Army Lt. General Walter C. Short, were relieved of their duties following the attack. Subsequent investigations faulted the men for failing to adopt adequate defense measures. Both men are demoted and retire in disgrace.

Neither man went on a book tour. Neither man was asked to give a primetime speech at their party’s political convention. Neither man was given the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I guess FDR knew a thing or two about leadership and accountability in wartime.

Now, back to the attendees at the Civitas Institute for Giuliani’s speech. How many of the conservative members, do you think, have called John Edwards a greedy “ambulance chaser?” Let’s think about Giuliani and Edwards for a moment.

Giuliani presides over a disaster, where a plausible argument can be made that he bears some responsibility. 3000 Americans die. Rudy decides to work within our capitalist system to maximize the tragedy for his own financial and personal gain.

Edwards, on the other hand, works with families who have been injured through medical negligence or defective products. He helps them navigate our judicial system as they seek due process for their injuries. True, there is significant financial reward for Edwards, but there is societal good in his role as advocate for those who are less powerful, so that they may seek justice within our legal system. After all, are we not a nation of laws?

Which man has faced adversity and acted with greater honor? Which man has exhibited greater character? Which man has acted with a greater sense of decency, sir? These are the questions we must honestly ask of ourselves and our public servants.

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An interesting take on Rudy.

There was another post about Rudy here today, I'm starting to think that anti-Rudy momentum is sweeping the country.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Do you think he'd be easier to beat?

i don't think he would, honestly. I think that there are a lot of independents out there who would vote for him in particular because of his moderate social positions and his conservative stance on other things. I think he's pretty dangerous.

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My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

After watching the Repubs tonight

I will have to agree with you, Jerimee.

Romney will be hard to beat in the heartlands. And I think he's going to be the one we're running against.

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My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Front paged by Anglico

The fawning by NC Republicans over this serial adulterer is nauseating. And for Art Pope to stand up and gush about a guy whose business partner (Kerik) is an out-and-out lying crook is beyond nauseating.

None of them have any shame. All they want is power, no matter what its cost to their souls or integrity.

Great Post Mr. Turner

glad you brought it here. Hope enough people see this and start this discussion. Rec'd!

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Nailed it.

This is exactly what's been bugging me about Giuliani. I don't particularly care about his personal life. His "serial adultery" and penchant for cross-dressing seem no worse and no better than many folks I know from both sides of the aisle. Let he who is sinless, yadda yadda yadda, etc., etc., so on and so forth.

But you're right - 9/11 happened on Giuliani's watch as much as it happened on W's. Not only has Giuliani been claiming political capital from this, he's actually been making money off of the shattered lives and twisted steel of the World Trade Center that he and his administration failed to protect.

Excellent post, S Turner, excellent.

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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Amen to that!

BlueSouth and I were talking about Giuliani's fascist paternalism. This explains why Republicans want him to be their daddy and why we hate his guts, even though he agrees with us on some things.

War is over if you want it.

War is over if you want it.

You're Talking About Rudy

Of course he has no decency.

I saw this in my Inbox:

Ten Republican candidates will debate tonight. The party is looking for one: Ronald Reagan.

er......ya think someone ought to tell them?

Thanks!

ya think someone ought to tell them?

That was my giggle for tonight.

My 17 year old has been watching the love-fest, and came out with "they thing Reagan was a good guy! They keep comparing themselves to him!! What the F***???"

I had to explain that Republicans think Reagan was good. He shook his head and walked away.

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My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Ronnie Who? Rudy Who? John Who?

saw this in my Inbox:

Ten Republican candidates will debate tonight. The party is looking for one: Ronald Reagan.

er......ya think someone ought to tell them?* U

Yep! Ronnie is buried just behind the debate hall. He has been there for about 3 years. In fact, he even forgot where they were going to be buried in the end. As for the Repub candiates, only one had it right about the War. It's to bad that he is in the wrong party but has guts to call their war mongering neo-con plans for the future....Impeach Bush and the other 9 candiates.....

Watching the Rep debate last nite

I was both amused and angered by the whole field. They all mostly agree that the Iraq invasion has been badly mismanaged, but they still think it's "winable". Their (pipe)dream is that one in that field will be elected in '08!

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I watched it with my daughter.

Her mind was totally boggled by the whole thing - especially the lack of relationship between questions and answers. It was embarrassing.

What struck me last night

was how much they are running against their own administration.

They discussed how to eliminate a budget deficit (maybe we should just ask Bill Clinton - he managed to do it.) They talked about smaller government - as if their Congress and Administration hadn't created a larger, more top heavy bureacracy than ever before.

I also had to grit my teeth hearing them all talk about how "pro-life" they are - and how "every life matters", thinking about the thousands of lives that don't matter to them - the ones that don't have health care, the ones who don't have adequate schools, the ones who don't have adequate housing. I'm not talking about in some third world nation - I'm talking about right here. Before these yahoos worry about lives that haven't entered the world yet, they ought to take a look at the lives that are here - and start worrying about those.

Her mind was totally boggled by the whole thing - especially the lack of relationship between questions and answers. It was embarrassing.

No kidding. The Dem debate was nearly as bad. They just answer whatever they want to, no matter what question is asked. Gotta get their points out there. At one point my son asked me: "What is their problem? Why don't they answer the question?" I'd love to see a real debate, with a real moderator, and real questions, with real answers. Don't suppose that will happen.

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My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Good points Linda

I also had to grit my teeth hearing them all talk about how "pro-life" they are - and how "every life matters", thinking about the thousands of lives that don't matter to them - the ones that don't have health care, the ones who don't have adequate schools, the ones who don't have adequate housing. I'm not talking about in some third world nation - I'm talking about right here. Before these yahoos worry about lives that haven't entered the world yet, they ought to take a look at the lives that are here - and start worrying about those.

That needs to be said again and again until it finally sinks into the thick-headed regressives that believe these people could possible take America in the right direction.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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