Indy endorsements

Read all about it here:
http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A256722

They're online now; print edition comes out tomorrow.

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Indy makes a great case for Hampton Dellinger.

Lieutenant Governor

We're persuaded that all four Democratic candidates for the state's No. 2 position would—if called on by tragedy—be capable replacements for whoever's elected governor in November. Barring such a circumstance, however, there is only one way to be an effective lieutenant governor, and that is to convince your fellow politicians, and the voters of the state, that you are a plausible candidate to run and win the governor's office in some future election. If so, you can wield some influence from an otherwise nearly powerless post.

It's for that reason that, between the two obvious progressive choices, we support Durham attorney Hampton Dellinger, former legal counsel to Mike Easley in the governor's office and, before that, the attorney general's office. It's a close call over Dan Besse, the Winston-Salem councilman whose record as an environmental activist and policymaker is superb. But Besse insists that he can effectively influence policy from the lieutenant governor's office without holding himself up as a potential No. 1. And frankly, given Besse's wonky, unpolitical style, he's not one. Whereas Dellinger, who could curb his enthusiasm by half and still be a dazzling case of political ambition, will be—should he win—a potential future progressive governor. Imagine that.

Thus, we're not bothered that Dellinger's campaign is all about reproductive rights, affirmative action and his endorsements by such African-American icons as Duke history professor emeritus John Hope Franklin. It's true, much of what he talks about has nothing to do with the lieutenant governor's office. But it has everything to do, as he says, with being a state-level Democratic leader—not to mention that it's aimed squarely at the black and women voters likely to turn out May 6 for the Obama-Clinton showdown.

On state issues from education to health care to the environment and mass transit, Dellinger's positions mirror Besse's, though it's certainly true that Besse has been working at them longer and accomplished a great deal as an appointed member of such policymaking boards as the state Environmental Management Commission. In fact, we almost think Besse would lose influence by being lieutenant governor.

Dellinger's never run for office. But at 40, he's worked in many a campaign, going back to the '90 U.S. Senate run by Harvey Gantt against Jesse Helms. Drawing on his experience and family connections (his father, Duke law professor Walter Dellinger, is nationally known and was U.S. solicitor general in the Bill Clinton administration), he's raised more than $1 million from contributors, which puts him in the same fund-raising league as the presumed front-runner in the race and the choice of the party's pro-business wing, state Sen. Walter Dalton of Rutherford County.

Meanwhile, Besse's done well to raise a six-figure campaign treasury, given that his support comes mainly from environmentalists.

The fourth candidate, Canton Mayor Pat Smathers, is a personable populist but has raised far too little money to wage an effective statewide campaign.

Polling here is of little value—so far, none of the four Democrats are well-known to the voters—but Dalton has recently started TV advertising, and he has a solid record on education issues to sell. From here, it looks like only Dalton and Dellinger have any chance of hitting the 40 percent threshold and winning the primary outright. If that's correct, we'd like to see it be Dellinger.

I'll let this analysis stand for itself. I just wanted to point it out.

Makes sense

to me.

Great, Lisa

Thanks for stopping by and letting us know.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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The best non-endorsement ever.

Dan's name is mentioned as often as Hampton's here (seven times each)...and I'll give it to them for detailing the methodology of this tough decision.

And from that methodology I gather that if political ambition, family money and connections don't hold a lot of weight with you as a voter (or maybe even count as negatives?) you'll tip towards Dan...

Dear Frank,

I'm not sure that's a fair assessment of what the Indy said. It's really about a candidate who can win over North Carolinians to the progressive agenda. He's doing it during the campaign, and can you imagine how effective that message will be once in office? They are also saying he's our best chance to have a truly progressive governor in the not-so-distant future.

I thought you'd be proud of what Hampton is doing for politics in North Carolina, and for what he'll do for North Carolinians once elected Lt. Governor. He's winning over hearts and minds to the agenda you've been fighting so hard for. That's a good thing in my book. A really good thing.

One more thing

I like Dan a lot, and I think he is a wonderful public servant--he truly is. I just think that for this particular office, Hampton Dellinger has the right attributes to be most effective. That's not a slight against Dan, it's just saying that while the two share many positives together, they also have differences, and that Hampton's experience, inspirational appeal and assertive nature are what we really need in a Lt. Governor right now. We need someone who can get in there and fight for our agenda. Loudly, if necessary :)

I love the Independent, but . . .

I'm sorry to say I've never thought much of the endorsements. That's probably because they didn't endorse me way back when I was running for Chapel Hill Town Council? In retrospect, that was probably a blessing in disguise.

But the truth is, lots of people walk into voting booths in the Triangle with a copy of the Independent in their hands. It has a big and pretty positive influence, especially on down-ticket races that people don't know much about.

Thanks for the cross-post and the link, Lisa!

I don't mind this endorsement.

Barring such a circumstance, however, there is only one way to be an effective lieutenant governor, and that is to convince your fellow politicians, and the voters of the state, that you are a plausible candidate to run and win the governor's office in some future election. If so, you can wield some influence from an otherwise nearly powerless post.

When I was at the Planetarium the other day, Dan introduced himself to someone asking if they wanted to know anything about him, where he stood on the issues. They asked, why would you want to run for Lt. Governor, seems you can't do anything unless the Governor dies or pulls a Spitzer.

His answer was, along the lines of "Well, you think the Lt. Governor can't do anything because up recently all the people holding that office have been too busy running for Governor to take advantage of the power of the office." He then went on to the list how the Lt. Governor could wield power and influence.

The Indy seems to think that only by promising to be running for higher office while in the office itself. I disagree with their premise.

I Twitter, Therefore I Am.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Nice try Robert

They were nice to your guy. You don't have to attack tonight. It's ok.

"Hampton Dellinger WILL be a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

Nice try DFL

I don't agree with their analysis and I explained why in a very calm and nice manner - no attacks. I simply disagree with their final analysis that you can only be useful if you are running for Governor in the Lt. Governor's seat. But, once again, thanks to you and the campaign for trying to silence dissent.

I Twitter, Therefore I Am.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

yeah, me with all my great power

I'm a veritable Lord Chamberlain.

Delete that at once!

See? Works every time. Not.

"Hampton Dellinger WILL be a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

He said, he said.

me:

I don't mind this endorsement.

Barring such a circumstance, however, there is only one way to be an effective lieutenant governor, and that is to convince your fellow politicians, and the voters of the state, that you are a plausible candidate to run and win the governor's office in some future election. If so, you can wield some influence from an otherwise nearly powerless post.

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The Indy seems to think that only by promising to be running for higher office while in the office itself. I disagree with their premise.

No attack, no anger.

you:

Nice try Robert

They were nice to your guy. You don't have to attack tonight. It's ok.

Given that I didn't attack, obviously you are trying to stifle the debate about their criteria. Should the criteria for choosing a Lt. Governor be that the candidate will be looking ahead to running for higher office?

I said no.

You said, for all intents and purposes "Shut up."

I Twitter, Therefore I Am.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

i don't think the Indy is saying that's the only reason to

vote for Hampton Dellinger. They are saying that in addition to his experience and policy stances, he can be more effective--especially in office with little real institutional power--because people see the potential for him to seek other offices latter down the road. This gives him political capital. This is politics, Robert, and the Indy is looking at who will be the more effective in pushing a progressive agenda. Who will be able to wield the most influence. Wonkiness is good, but you need more than that. Hampton's political astuteness will help him navigate the politics and bureaucracy of Raleigh as he goes about advocating for better policies in our state.

So, the Progressive Dems of NC were wrong?

They are saying that in addition to his experience and policy stances, he can be more effective--especially in office with little real institutional power--because people see the potential for him to seek other offices latter down the road.

Actually they stressed his LACK of experience, and how their policy mirrored one anothers, no?

where did they stress his lack of experience????

it's certainly true that Besse has been working at them longer and accomplished a great deal

this wasall i could find from the Indy endorsement related to your assertion. Doesn't sound like they are stressing anything. Also, btw, Deputy AG and Governor Chief Legal Counsel are pretty big jobs with serious responsibilities. They would fall in the category of high-level executive branch experience. The kind that helps you be an effective Lt. Governor.

I respect the progressive Dems decision, but I'm not a one endorsement voter. If you want to talk endorsements, i'd encourage you to take the whole picture into account.

Hampton garnered the endorsements of:

AFL-CIO of North Carolina (including the American Federation of Teachers)

NARAL Pro-Choice North Carolina

Durham Committee on the Affairs of Black People

Raleigh Wake Citizens Association

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Black Political Caucus

Communication Workers of America (NC Chapter)

Durham People’s Alliance

Eastern North Carolina Civic League

Police Benevolent Association of North Carolina

High Point Black Leadership Roundtable

United Transportation Union (NC Chapter

And, now, the Independent Weekly

sad

"Hampton Dellinger WILL be a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

no one's stifling debate

You can say whatever you want, even if Dr. Frank's chooses to disagree with you.

Did you ever notice....

that you never respond to any criticism, you simply change the subject?

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

did you ever notice

you have a tendency to perpetuate arguments by always seeking to have the last word?

Here's my response to your "criticism" - I never asked you to shut up nor do i seek to stifle debate.

This isn't the forum for personal tit for tat, so I am donewith that petty issue.

Suffice it to say, the Indy made a good choice, and had well-deserved kind words for Dan Besse. I don't believe their point ws, as you insinuate, that other candidates are superior to Besse because he would focus on the job of Lt. Governor while they would be running for Gov. That's not what they said or, I think, what they meant.

Instead, the Indy made the quite salient point that a Lt. Governor has little institutional power (as I pointed out in my first post on this subject months ago) and instead is able to wield more influence if he or she is seen as a legitimate statewide player. I think I called this office the "minister without portfolio" post on the Council of State. It offers platform from which to advance policy ideas and to build support for long-term, thoughtful, governance.

One route to that influence, in the words of the Indy, is to be perceived as someone who may be governor someday. That is undoubtedly correct. Another route may be to be perceived as the most knowledgable person out there on certain issues. Maybe. But it also helps in choosing a candidate if the candidate seeking to be Lt. Governor is competing against the nonprogressive in the election on a more or less equal footing.

In that regard - all policy choices being more or less equal between the two - the Indy chose Hampton over Dan.

I happen to agree. You don't. That's great.

"Hampton Dellinger WILL be a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

p.s. my wife would agree with you.

you have a tendency to perpetuate arguments by always seeking to have the last word?

Only I call it "clearing things up".

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

fascinating

This is one of the most interesting endorsement articles I've ever read.

I do appreciate all the good things the Indy said about me (although, of course, I'd have appreciated them even more if their "close call" had tipped the other way).

I must confess, though, that I'd never thought about losing an endorsement because I propose to spend my time in office focusing on the work of that job instead of just campaigning for the next rung up.

Statewide politics is a learning experience.

Sincerely,

Mr. Wonk

Dan Besse
Democrat for Lieutenant Governor
www.danbesse2008.org

Dan Besse

:-)

I love your enduring sense of humor, Your Wonkness :)

It is a learning experience

Well said.

J

PS I just wish I wasn't learning so many things that I wish I didn't have to know.

Labor Commissioner

was anyone surprised they didn't pick Robin Anderson for Labor? I took to advice of BlueNC posters and did my own research and came out for Anderson. Too bad the Indy didn't.

I heard both Robin Anderson and Mary Fant Donnan

speak last night at Union County Democratic Women's Donkey Dinner. Mary was fine and seems like a very nice, qualified person. Robin knocked my socks off. She seems to have a better grasp of what Berry hasn't been doing right in her job and the steps that will need to be taken to correct the mess we're in. The really big difference between the two is their energy level. Robin has a lot of energy and a great sense of humor.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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that's it. she knows so well the crap Berry's been up to

Also, i heard Dellinger had a pretty effective lady speak for him at the Donkey Dinner. A friend told me she laid (sp?) out an informative, succinct and well-delivered argument without the overblown rhetoric that's so common at these events. i think she was a school teacher. Did you hear her speak? Could be my friend just saying this cause they know i like Hampton, but since you said you were there.

He did have someone speak for him

I don't know if she is a teacher, but she did a fine job. All of the surrogates did. Kay Hagan, June Atkinson, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Bev Perdue all had surrogates give effective speeches at the dinner.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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cool

yeah, it's great how many folks are stepping up to speak for the candidates they believe in this year. It's very exciting, indeed.

Mary Fant Donnan

Anyone who knows Mary knows that she has a high energy level and also has a great sense of humor. Mary is the candidate who knows the Department of Labor from the inside. She is the clear choice as the candidate who will be able to effect needed changes.

Yeah, Proud

Those guys at the Independent must be smoking something.

maybe just when they did this one.

must have sparked it up later in the evening after endorsing in the other races. On a side not, is Terry McAuliffe making anyone else's head spin so hard you want to puke. These Clintonites are like a cult, i swear.

Indy Endorsement for Mary Fant Donnan

I am not at all surprised that the Indy endorsed Mary Fant Donnan. She is the most qualified. Her positions are well thought out. She is extremely good at leading as well as working collaboratively with others. She has the experience and background necessary to actually accomplish changes that need to be made. Contact Mary if you have questions.
I encourage all voters to become more familiar with all four Democratic candidates for Commissioner for Labor. For me the choice is clear. Mary Fant Donnan is the candidate with the character, courage and conviction to serve our state with distinction.

Thank you

for speaking up for the candidate you believe in. I will look into Fant Donnan; I appreciate your engagement on here

Psst, somebody leak this to the Independent:

I must confess, though, that I'd never thought about losing an endorsement because I propose to spend my time in office focusing on the work of that job instead of just campaigning for the next rung up.

Governor is ambitious? We were gonna skip that one and go for broke:

Besse for President of the United States 2012.

I mean, we've already shot the ads.

I think they make a great case

I don't blame Frank for coming on here and spinning away. More power to him. But the Indy recognized that Hampton is a bona fide progressive. Whether any of these guys eventually have their eye on the Governor's office is up to them. If Hampton does, he hasn't told me.

I do know he intends to work his butt off as Lieutenant Governor. And he has the right priorities, as the Indy so eloquently pointed out.

He's genuinely progressive. He has a plan. And he can win.

The Independent saw that, and they are right.

"Hampton Dellinger WILL be a great Lieutenant Governor." - Al Gore.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be." -Voltaire

saw this over at the Indy page

it was so right-on i thought i'd cross post it here (if that's cool with everyone)

Great choice in the Lt. Governor race. Progressives have three choices if they are voting to send a message with their votes. They have one if they want to win: Hampton Dellinger. While I would disagree with the notion that he is running to become Governor, I see your argument, and for a candidate to declare that he wants to go no further in public life is to stamp "MARGINALIZE ME" on his forehead and place him in the basement. Besse is a good man. He would make a great State Senator and I hope he runs for that office someday. For statewide leadership potential, though, I haven't seen the combination of raw political talent, ideas and ability that Dellinger has since Jim Hunt. That he applies them in pursuit of a progressive - even dare I say it, liberal - agenda is remarkable, and promising. I'd be proud to support any of these guys in November, but Dellinger is the clear choice for Progressives who want to win, and keep winning.
by RaleighDem • Raleigh • 23 Apr 2008, 12:17am • Report this comment

Jim Hunt's political ability, but more liberal. I like the sound of that.

In general, you should

post a clip and a link rather than the whole post from another site. That goes for articles, too. :)

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Pointing at Naked Emperors

crap

i was going to go back in (for the 19th edit--i did a bunch of iterations to get the italics and bold just right) and cut away the first half, but now it's locked b/c you commented on it. (I remember one time awhile back when Frank Eaton purposefully did that to preserve in the vaults of BlueNC a really stupid--and funny--typo i made. ahh, good times on bluenc :)

Going to bed finally. But I'll remember that about copy-and-pasting a little less liberally in the future and intertwining by analysis more. i was just a little lazy today and wanted to make sure folks read the fully deal. next time...

Thanks for the pointers.

Night!

Good Lord. Just because someone

wants to focus on the job he's running for, it doesn't automatically equate to:

for a candidate to declare that he wants to go no further in public life is to stamp "MARGINALIZE ME" on his forehead and place him in the basement

(my bolding)

Has anybody got a link that shows my favorite wonk declaring this? There are so many leaps of logic happening these days I'm surprised we don't see more crutches at these political conventions.

Read the part in bold in my posting above

Want to argue with that?

FYI, I want to beat Dalton and win the general. Hampton's the guy to do it, and you don't have to settle for less substance. He's got that. In fact, he's been the one out front on all the issues, unafraid to say things that might cost him votes. He's pushing a progressive agenda hard, and we can be damned sure to hold him to it once elected. I know I will.

Indy endorses Moore

I sure hope no one overlooks the opportunity to read the Independent's endorsement of Moore for governor.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

I didn't link

It is upsetting, I know, but I'm link-averse.

The original comment contains the link. A person does have to scroll up.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

cover pic

kinda funny