This one was only 18

Every US death in this war was a person with a life, all too often too short, that was sacrificed on the altar of George W Bush's cupidity, greed and lies. And because George W Bush is
a coward for whom not admitting a mistake is more important than a soldiers life, there will be more deaths. Some will be people like Army Spc. Christopher D. Kube.

He was 18.

He was a newlywed.

He was killed on July 14, eight months after he arrived in Iraq on a deployment that made him nervous from the start, as one fellow soldier remembered. Back at his home station, Fort Carson, Colorado, he drew attention for being so young, so short, so slight and so cheerful.

"When I saw him I asked, `How old are you, 10?"' recalled his platoon sergeant, Staff Sgt. Eugenie Byron-Griffin. "`What are you doing here? You're a baby.' He looked me straight in my eye, with his chest poked out like he does, and he said, `I'm 17, and I ain't no baby. I'm a man."'

Yes, he was a man for an all too brief time and he died as a man for that damnable Texican pissant in the White House and every bootlicking Republican stooge in Congress.


He died for us

and please dont forget it.

"`What are you doing here? You're a baby.' He looked me straight in my eye, with his chest poked out like he does, and he said, `I'm 17, and I ain't no baby. I'm a man."'

Salute the Man. Honor the Man. Accept the Man for being over there.

If a young person in my community asked me if joining the military was a good idea (Im retired 22.5 years Navy) I would chat with them. I would try to figure out why they wanted to go in. If there reasons where right, I would encourage them to serve. Not everyone is of the right stuff to serve. Chris Kube was. He was proud to be there.

That is one of the primary thinks I look for in someone who wishes to serve. Will they go beyond the job aspect and truely be proud of what they are doing.

This war was authorized by congress. Now congress has to stop this war. I do not see congress doing anything to help this young man.

I see smoking mirrors from congress trying to posture to say they oppose this war. But I do not see them acting to stop this war.

Is congress doing impeachment procedings?

Are they defunding the war?

Are they doing anything to bring the boys home?

This is not a GOP or Dem issue, this is a national issue. However, to many politicians are using this war for political gain. Is partician politics supporting Chris Kube?

It's always the young that die!

and please dont forget it.* parmea

I don't! I have a son in the middle of mess and everyday, I search the battle is sad

....Bring them home now.....impeach the Bastards more excuses can see him with me here... Cindy,,,Go Ron.....Death to the neo-cons

A long view of history

If I recall correctly congress authorized the president to act in response to terrorism. That nipple head who stole the election and then surrounded himself with a whole pile of chickenhawks then used every excuse (one after another when each of the preceding was shown to be unsupportable) to invade a sovereign foreign nation that was no threat to us and not tied to terrorism. When I was in the military I had sworn to serve and protect and follow all lawful orders. This sham of a war begun under lies and misdirection fails to qualify as a lawful war. And it was drawn up, presented, sold, and badly run by republicans. It's history is a text book example of partisan politics and yes.....

It is now up to the democrats to solve, and they can't do it if wholly obstructed in the Senate by the last of the chickenhawk republicans. That means that while the problem was created by Bush (curse his name) and his cadre of those-who-never-served, the solution must be crafted bipartisanly.

I, along with the rest of my Colorado veterans, will honor Christopher Kube for his sacrifice. And I will work tirelessly, as I did before this ill fated conflict, to ensure that my brothers in arms never are put into this position of sacrifice needlesly. That is the least we can do for them.

It is up to us as a nation to solve

It is now up to the democrats to solve, and they can't do it if wholly obstructed in the Senate by the last of the chickenhawk republicans.

When we get rid of partisian politics and start working on the needs of the people, this war will be over. Until that happens, we must rely on the Iraqi people to standup and say we can do it on our own now. You may leave.

Those are really our two options. We as a nation unite and find the proper solution to this war or we keep going until the Iraqi's ask us to leave.

Even if we impeach bush and chenney, the third in line will not beable to pull us out. Also, impeaching a pres and a vice pres in the middle of a war will never happen. You might get one out, but not both. What is that doing for the guys getting killed and maimed today? Impeachment proceedings are needed, but what is more important is developing the plan to get us out of there.

That leaves us with forcing our politicians to get their collective heads out of their asses and find a solution to this problem. We cannot go back and undo the decision to fight Iraq. That talk of what happend long time ago is not productive to the problem at hand. Ending this war as it is today is the only talk our politicians need to be working on. Anything else is just a waste of energy and is not moving us to the goal at hand. Ending this war.

By the time enough votes are needed to impeach bush and chenney, bush will be out of office as a result of the next election. In the mean time, what are we doing to get the boys out? Congress, what are you doing to get the boys out?

We can learn to never be an aggressor again. I hope we as a nation have figured out that firing the first shot in a war is not the position to be on.

They Already Have Asked Us to Leave

keep going until the Iraqi's ask us to leave.

Repeatedly. Someone's not listening. I wonder who?

The recognized government of Iraq has not asked

us to leave. When they do, we will be required to leave. That is one of the conditions when this war started. If they ever ask us to leave.

To this date, they have not asked us to leave. That I know of.

Parm, they do want us out.

This is from last year:

Reliable surveys show that the percentage of Iraqis favoring a withdrawal timeline has risen from thirty percent in February 2004 to 76 percent in February 2005 to 87 percent earlier this year. [NYT, Mar. 19, 2006] of 70 to 82 percent, [Knight Ridder, Jan. 30, 06, posted on] Only the pro-Western Kurdish minority, at least a majority of them, wants the US troops to stay.

In response to this overwhelming popular sentiment, large numbers of elected Iraqi parliamentarians have been trying to force the US pullout by legislation.

On September 12, just over two weeks ago, 104 Iraqi parliamentarians signed a petition calling for a withdrawal timetable. There are 275 members of the Iraq parliament, and frequently as many as eighty are not present. The constitution allows a measure to become law if supported by a majority of those present and voting. So the withdrawal proposal suddenly would have become law if it wasn't arbitrarily ordered to a committee for "review".

May of this year:

On Tuesday, without note in the U.S. media, more than half of the members of Iraq's parliament rejected the continuing occupation of their country. 144 lawmakers signed onto a legislative petition calling on the United States to set a timetable for withdrawal, according to Nassar Al-Rubaie, a spokesman for the Al Sadr movement, the nationalist Shia group that sponsored the petition.

And a few weeks ago:

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave "any time they want," though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and training.

We're not staying because they need us, we're staying because Bush doesn't want to give up territory in his childish game of Risk.

If that is a formal request of the government

for us to leave, then we must get out. Set up a time table. That is our responsibility now in Iraq.

That was one of the things bush stated when he went in there. As soon as the Iraqi government feels they can handle it, or when we determine they can safely run their own country. It was an OR statement. The Iraqi government has always had the right to ask or tell us to leave.

It was later stated that this statement was interpreted in error.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said Saturday that the Iraqi army and police are capable of keeping security in the country when American troops leave "any time they want," though he acknowledged the forces need further weapons and training.

This statement is not applicable to asking us to leave. Someone on this site found the misinterpretation.

Not sure exactly where the Iraqi government is with regard to a formal request for us to leave. I still do not see a formal request for the United States to depart that country. I sooooo wish they would as thats really the fastest way for us to get out of there.

When I first saw Spc. Kube's story on

I sat here at my desk and cried. For all of the reasons that Ashevillien mentioned: He was so young, and had so much life ahead of him. Indeed, my own son is only a few months younger. That brings the pain of it more sharply into focus.

I cried because of the things that parmea reminds us of, too. That at 18, Spc. Kube was not a baby, despite his youthful face and demeanor.He was a man, who chose his own path. As the mother of a man almost this age, I know that this is true. Spc. Kube was a man of honor, who chose to serve his country, and made the ultimate sacrifice. I don't know if there are enough ways to honor that.

I cried also because that sacrifice, though honorable, was made upon the altar of a war waged by a commander in chief who cannot value men like Spc. Kube because when it was his time to serve, he weasled his way out of it, and even then didn't show up to the easy duty he was supposed to do. This commander-in-chief uses honorable young Americans as backdrops to photo-ops and has no clue as to what they face in battle, nor do I believe he cares.

And now, I'm angry. I'm angry because every week, nearly 20-25 honorable young Americans like Spc. Kube are being sacrificed upon that same altar - the altar of a chickenhawk's arrogance, whose disregard for the truth is flaunted in our faces every time we turn on the television, pick up a newspaper, or even read a newsfeed on the computer.

I'm angry because everyone I talk to seems to be angry about this, but life seems to go on as usual, as if nothing is happening.

I'm angry because no one will challenge the Republican SOB who sits like a sloth in Congress representing NC-06, sending home "pork", but not leading.

I'm angry because not one of the strong Democrats we've got in this state seems to want to challenge Elizabeth Dole for her Senate seat. I don't blame Brad Miller for deciding to keep his seat in Congress; we need him there. But damn it! Are they waiting to see who the presidential nominee is going to be? What the hell?

::sigh::: rant off. I'm going for more coffee.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Those Who Serve Proudly

deserve honor.

Those who did not serve - as in Bush/Cheney/et. al. deserve nothing but scorn.

They have broken our military and dishonored our service members and veterans.

As a veteran and a mother of a son - I will shoot him myself before I allow him to be sacrificed on the altar of another insane, illegitimate and illegal war.

Do you hear me? I will shoot him - myself.