Where does Elizabeth Dole live?

Crossposted at Kos.

In 2001 Elizabeth Dole moved back to North Carolina. Reeling from her pathetic run at the 2000 Nomination for President she found out that Jesse Helms was going to be retiring. Knowing that the NC GOP is little more than a freak show, full of too much ego and too little action, Karl Rove stepped in, and promised the full support of the new administration.

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Even though she hadn’t lived in North Carolina for decades, Dole was off and running for Helms’ seat. She invited a lot of press to visit her at her mom’s house, where we discovered that being born in a state means you can represent it, no matter what.

Wishing to avoid the accurate claim that she was a carpetbagger, Dole moved back to the state in time to vote in a municipal election in 2001. When she voted for herself on election day 2002, it was only the third vote she had cast in the state.

Well, she missed a few steps. To begin with she doesn’t live in North Carolina.

I am not saying that she is committing, or has committed voter fraud. Under the statutes of North Carolina a person is allowed to live in DC and vote in North Carolina so long as they are there for government business and do not register to vote in DC. Additionally, I don't wish to have a libel suit hanging over my head.

However, I am willing to say that she only knows what the weather in North Carolina is like because she can (presumably) read the newspaper and because she might be able to use the internet. From this article in December 2005, we know that she can barely even be bothered to visit for a weekend.

According to various public accounts, Dole made five official trips to the state from April 1 through Sept. 30. The trips were of varying lengths, ranging from a few hours to a few days.

So, where does she live?

I started with OpenSecrets.org, where I discovered that she and Bob own property in many states. She owns 118.91 acres in Johnson City Kansas, valued at over a million dollars. She owns a condo with her brother in Florida. In Salisbury the only thing she owns is a “28.47% ownership interest” in a real estate development. This “ownership interest” has a value of between 250 and 500 thousand dollars. She receives rent from this property.

I then checked on her voter registration, discovering her voting address is 712 S Fulton St, Salisbury, NC. What is interesting about this is that Bob Dole is not registered to vote in the state of North Carolina. He is however, registered to vote in Kansas. In fact, the same day that Elizabeth was voting in person in North Carolina in an effort to become a Senator, her husband was in Kansas, voting in person there. How many married couples do you know that are not divorced, not separated, and yet live in different houses?

My next stop was the Rowan County Register of Deeds. Elizabeth Dole apparently owns the home where she is registered to vote. The home has a value for tax assessment purposes of just under $321,000. I am glad that she managed to actually buy a home in North Carolina. But I wonder about how much time she spends there.

In doing a little more searching, I found this article from 2005. It turns out that said home in Salisbury was bought after Christmas in 2001. Why does that matter? Well it turns out she voted in November of 2001. You see, this house was actually the home of her mother since 1937. In fact, Mrs. Hanford was still living in the house up until her untimely death, in 2004, at the age of 102. The News and Observer finds nothing weird about this, saying,

When Dole returned to North Carolina in 2001 to run for the Senate seat being vacated by retiring U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms, she listed the Hanford family home on South Fulton Street - still occupied by her mother - as her residence.
Two months later, she watched on television from South Fulton Street as Dole was elected senator over Democrat Erskine Bowles.

The above picture is from their 1986 card, not the 2001 card in question

The claim by her campaign in 2001 was that the home was owned by Elizabeth Dole. Apparently, though, the home was sold to her only after she decided to run for Senate. The home was sold to her by her mother, who continued to live in the home, it being her residence after all.

In fact, as of today, Elizabeth Dole’s mailing address on official Rowan County documents is still listed as the Watergate hotel. Why is that important? Because from everything I can see Elizabeth Dole still lives in the same place she has lived for 40 years. Washington DC.

Now, I am not sure who will run against Elizabeth Dole in 2008. What I do know is that she will have to answer a very important question. “Where do you live and who do you represent?” As far as I can tell the only honest response is, “Washington DC, and I represent the Bush administration and my lobbyist husband.”


Im getting too lazy

to change this from kos to bluenc form.

Anyway, as always, I appreciate your reccs. I will not rest until Elizabeth Dole starts getting Liebermanesque attention on dailykos.

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Boom. Boom. Boom.

My cheap imitation of A's trademark drum beat. ;)

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

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Excellent research Blue! I am going to it in a new hot Blog Ad on the net with your permission of course.

in my case

always assume that the information is for sharing.

i like hat tips, but dont even care about that so long as the information is gonna get out to people.

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Not at the same time

but both this diary and the vlog of the trip to seagrove made the recc list on kos today.

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Blue South, this is an amazing diary

sorry that you have to dive into a dung-heap to find it tho.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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Thank You

I am happy most of the sites I spent time on were local government sites. Much cleaner than reading through her website is...ugh.

I just hope that its enough so that we have yet another thing to hang over her head in 08.

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I cannot hear enough on Liddy. 2008 is not 2002; and Liddy will no longer need to pretend to live in my state.

P.S. Go Heels! That was on of the toughest basketball games that I have seen all year. It also marks the first time that I actually like this group of players (other than Hansbrough; he really needs to mature).

how did you like

Coach Yow giving your woman's team the beat down?

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I really do not care

My hierarchy of sports allegiance are:

1) Florida Football
2) Florida Basketball
3) North Carolina Basketball
4) All other Florida sports
5) All other UNC Sports

Having two championships in the top sports that I follow does a lot to sooth losses further down the line.

I'm even more torn..

1) UNC Basketball
2) Penn State Football
3) Florida Football
4) UNC Football
5) NC State everything (my wife is a pack grad)
6) Duke Football (I worked there for 5 years, I gotta root for the underdogs).

Where are the candidates?

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

My comment from kos

on your trick question, Blue. (GREAT diary, btw!)

Cool. A trick question!

I had to answer it by relating the issue to my own family.

My folks were born and raised in Maryland. They moved south sometime around 1960. If my mother bought my grandmother's house in Northeast, traveled up there to vote once a year and visited some other town/county in the state about a half dozen times a year, would anybody in the family think my mother had actually "moved back" to Maryland? No.

Where does Liddy live? D.C.

As Santorum was to PA, Liddy is to NC. She has an address in NC, that's all. She doesn't live down here, doesn't know what's going on down here, and doesn't care what we think down here.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."


GJ bluesouth, extremely informative.

Amazing how much contempt mrs. dole has to us little folks. I hope she does run as its gonna be sooooo rewarding to vote against this waste of human flesh.

I just wonder

whether she will have enough money to put her message of winning the war in Iraq, selling out family farmers, and voting the Bush line on everything into the hands of voters.

She might have some trouble doing that.

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And she lives

in The Watergate. I love that part.


Absentee landlord

That's my story and I'm sticking too it.

New 2007 map now available at the Legislative Building

The RNC may need to request some of the new North Carolina maps that have now been printed for 2007.

Also, her and her out-of-state camapaign staff will need to invest in some GPS devices for their automobiles. (or ask the companies for a donation to her campaign)

This should be beneficial for her guiding her team through Salisbury and the rest of North Carolina.

Open call for Dole video

I really need some help on the accent. She keeps morphing into Mad Miss Mattie. Any links would be appreciated.

Anglico, I heard she held a press conference on the OLF and WNCNN was there . . .

“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the drama.


WNCNN's crack news team is on the trail! :-D

DQ, I think you'll probably get a good idea of Liddy's real accent if you listen to people from Kansas talking. Do you have this video? And audio clips are abundant at her website. heh. You're set.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Thanks, Leslie, awesome.

Didn't even think of the website. Duh. And Kansas -- I'm lol. She sure doesn't have a southern "i" when she talks.
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the drama.


So that's what cat herding looks like.

Not a true Southerner

or she wouldn't be so RUDE!!! I'm so glad that's on video.


I lived in Salisbury for four years

And it was well known that Liddy didn't live there. When she decided to run and use her mom's house, anyone in town could have told you it was all a joke; I'd be surprised if she spent more than seven nights total in that house when running.

While I am sure she followed the letter of the law, NC elected a citizen of Washington, DC as our senator.

some people

at kos mentioned all the stuff that was done to bring attention to santoroum not living in PA. do you think you might know anyone that would be willing to participate in that? I am going to be doing some research to figure out what they did and how they did it.

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Here's an interesting conundrum. The person who would know the most about that in the whole country would be Jay Reiff who ran Bob Casey's campaign against Santorum and who is running Richard Moore's campaign which has been seeding the media and BlueNC with trash talk about Beverly Perdue and our own Anglico.

He succeeded with Casey, but the last campaign for Governor he ran was incumbent SC Governor Jim Hodges who lost despite or perhaps in spite of the assistance of Kevin Geddings, his former Chief of Staff. Ironically Geddings ran Perdue's media campaign in 2000. It's a small world.


That is a small world.

Its important to note though that the charges that the campaign to prove he didnt live in PA was orchestrated by Casey's campaign were based on nothing other than press releases by Santorum. So, it could have been orchestrated, or maybe not.

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Woah Buddy

In the version at kos someone said that in Minnesota Coleman is polling at 57%, and is considered the 4th most vulnerable seat in the country.

We are gonna need to do some serious work to wake up people like those at WaPo and NyTimes

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All Liddy needs

is a body double to peak out the windows in Salisbury on Holloween.


They'd have to post a parental warning.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."