WTF?

The machines of the Democratic and Republican Parties in North Carolina are trying to run roughshod over their third party competition. According to WRAL news, the NC gubernatorial candidates will hold five debates. Problem is, they're leaving out one of the candidates, Libertarian Mike Munger.

I can see McCrory not wanting to have Munger in the hunt. Mike is likely to siphon off a lot of free-thinking types who are disgusted with the Republican Party. Perdue, on the other hand, should welcome Munger's participation.

Regardless of the political calculus, however, it's just plain wrong to have a lock-out of Dr. Munger. If this crap keeps up, I will be among the many fed-up voters opting for a third-party option this fall.

Do the right thing, Lieutenant Governor Perdue. Insist that the debates include ALL the gubernatorial candidates.

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I'm not likely to vote for Mike.

But if he's on the ballot, he should be in the debates. (I kind of have a feeling he'd clean both of their clocks.)

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Find Mike Munger Stuff him in my Van and head to Atlantic Beach?

Regardless of the political calculus, however, it's just plain wrong to have a lock-out of Dr. Munger. If this crap keeps up, I will be among the many fed-up voters opting for a third-party option this fall* James

More BS crap from the so-called establishment! If Bev had any balls she would demand that Mike be invited into the Debates or walk.....Hell! I will load up Mike in the Van and head to Atlantic Beach to screw up the Bar debate. That should make those establishment Bar elites very uncomfrontable having a Tiger at their gates and picketing the damn place.

Right. Sure. Really shocking.

Bev is so about doing the right thing that it's just stunning that she wouldn't welcome Munger's participation.

How many were truly surprised that she, Hagan and Dalton weren't around to say hello to Barak Obama?

Oh please.

Oh Please Yourself

She ran radio ads and put out mailers talking about how she endorsed Obama before he was the nominee. She is really "running away" isnt she.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

HA! That was the PRIMARY, BlueSouth!

Are you kidding? GET a clue!

She's not concerned about Obama supporters now that the primary is over. She figures she has the dang straight ticket crowd all lined up and doesn't have to court them anymore.
Hell no, she's running against a GOPer now and wants very much to court people who are scared to death of Obama. And so are Hagan and Dalton.

You REALLY think all three of them weren't there because of some unavoidable scheduling conflicts?

That's so sweet.

Perdue and Hagan

yes its suprising

The N&O picks up the story

Better late than never. They covered the whole thing on the Dome without even wondering where Munger was in all the debate debate. Pretty damn sad.

I absolutely believe that everyone

should be included in the debate. Mike Munger might not have much of a chance, but he is very bright and engaging and I think has a lot to add to the conversations we will all be having before we cast our votes.

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If we could go through a dozen presidential debates

with Dennis at the podium, we can surely go through five gubernatorial debates with Mike Munger involved. Even though he's a Libertarian, he's not crazy by any stretch. It would be good to push Perdue and McCrory outside their scripted views.

Easy, James.

Dennis Kucinich is one of the most level-headed individuals in Washington, imho. The whole 'OMG HE'S CRAZY!' argument does nothing but bring our party down.

I may have misread James' remark there, but

I didn't get the impression that he was saying that Kucinich is crazy. I think he literally meant that there's experience to suggest that Munger's presence onstage would not be an earthshakingly strange event with cataclysmic consequences for McCrory or Perdue.

And I agree with Betsy that we'd benefit by Munger's presence and contributions.

But for anyone to be "WTF!" surprised that neither candidate is supporting Munger's request to be included is in itself suprising.

I didn't mean to imply anything negative about Dennis Kucinich

He is one of my heroes. I thought he added a clarity of thought to the presidential debates which I'd like to see in our gubernatorial debates as well.

I'm not sure who arranged the one-on-ones between Perdue and McCrory, but I suspect the debate sponsors didn't even consider Munger in their plans. But they should have. And now that the train has left the station, all parties should call a halt to discussions until Munger's in.

And Munger should be raising holy hell ... which he is.

Mainstream Media

Don't expect the MSM to give much attention to my campaign for Lieutenant Governor either.

http://www.philrhodes2008.com

You may agree or disagree with my positions, but all I ask is that you check out the website, read up on my positions, and make up your own mind. And if you like anything you see, please help spread the word. The old-school media aren't going to give me fair coverage, so grass-roots is the only shot I have.

Phil

Hi Phil.

Thanks for posting and for linking us to your campaign.

BlueNC is not a Democratic Party site, and I personally am wide open to ideas from almost any quarter. Though I generally think Libertarians push too hard in some directions, I also recognize that pushing too hard is sometimes the only way to get any movement at all.

I'd be happy to host a live-blogging session with you whenever that's convenient. Summer traffic is a bit slow, so it might be wise to wait until August at least. In the meantime, welcome ... and thanks for joining us.

Sure, sounds good. And

Sure, sounds good. And thanks for being open-minded! BlueNC is, obviously, a Progressive oriented site, and a lot of people see conflict between the libertarian view and the progressive view. I personally think that the two views can be reconciled in a logically consistent manner, although everybody may not agree with my thinking. But certainly I'll say that I don't necessarily see Progressives as my enemies. I think we all want the same things, but just disagree about how best to get there.

Binker, as usual,

gets to the bottom of this. Looks like the hosts are the problem. The NC Bar Association, for example, has a laughably lame response.

The Bar Association has always focused its election-year forums on the Republican and Democratic candidates, he said.

Duh. Maybe that's because there are almost never any other candidates to focus on?

So we have several lawyers who read here and post here

I would ask those members of the NC Bar Association to bring pressure on their organization to allow all candidates to be heard.

And you know what I hate?? I hate that I feel like I'm being disloyal to a candidate I'm supporting by suggesting that. Gahd. Sometimes politics makes my skin crawl.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Good suggestion

I'm tempted to go to law school just so I can be a pain-in-the-butt lawyer when stuff like this happens.