Will We Ever Be Free of Nifong Stories

Do I sound a little PO'd? I am. Just as Durham might begin investigating why it is that the Durham Police thought they had probable cause when they didn't, the City's liability insurance company insists that the City negotiate first with the parents in their civil suit. And all of a sudden the number $30 million surfaces in the press. As a Durham citizen, I don't want to see my taxes poured down a rathole for the actions of a now disbarred DA, which is after all a state office.

And in news reports, the phrase "the legal team who defended OJ Simpson and Ollie North" somehow caught my attention. High profile media shenanigans that end in putative miscarriages of justice.

What has bothered me most about the Nifong case is how quickly the defense lawyers brought all of the power of the national media to bear on the case so that it never got sorted out by twelve folks from Durham. Now it is the vindictiveness of the civil case and its derailing of an investigation that is striking me.

There is something more than Nifong's action rotten with this case. And that is the determination of the parents not to have the merits of the case, whatever few there might have been, brought out either in a trial or in an investigation of the actions of the Durham Police.

Could it be that the point is not to get justice but to ensure that rich white jocks at prestigious colleges get legal immunity? Class has its privileges. Meanwhile in Jena, Louisiana, there are parents who would very much like attention to prosecutorial misconduct.

Comments

Well said.

Couldn't agree more. It's just more media obsession with the trials and tribulations of rich white children.

Meanwhile in Jena ...

now there's a phrase that could be used more these days ...

... regular people who just want to be treated with some small modicum of equality and common decency are railroaded and thrown in jail with ungodly bail set by the local "judicial system" and the only media talking about it at all is a bunch of lefty bloggers and Bill Moyers on Friday night teevee.

Meanwhile in Jena. It speaks volumes in three short words.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Still in denial about how badly Durham behaved?

Maybe Durham residents shouldn't have elected Nifong after those first April '06 DNA results came back showing the case was bogus. Anyway, the definitive book on the case, UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, is out. Even ACLU president Nadine Strassen praises it as showing when "..unscrupulous police and prosecutors wreck the lives of innocent people.." and the system's "..crying need for reforms.." This case is famous for good reason. An ounce of prevention would have been worth a pound of cure in Durham.

Great review from Newsday of Duke book.

From the (left-wing) NY newspaper's Steven Marcus Sept. 10 review:" UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT...exposes the justice system of one small town and leaves one to conclude that not only can it happen again, but is occurring all the time, albeit under the media radar." (Like Seligmann has stated, what in the world happens to those without the legal resources he had? Nifong has been putting people away for a long time. How many other times has he had a lab withhold DNA evidence?)

Duke Hoax

"As a Durham citizen, I don't want to see my taxes poured down a rathole for the actions of a now disbarred DA, which is after all a state office."

As a Durham citizen, I'd like to know the truth. Nifong didn't do this alone. The only witnesses that testified before two grand juries that resulted in the indictment of 3 innocent people for crimes that never happened were... 2 Durham police officers (Himan and Gottlieb). Cpl David Addison made numerous outrageous (and false) statements to the media... not about an alleged crime but of a horrendous rape that sent shockwaves through the community and that there was really really strong evidence in the case. One of the lead investigators, Sgt Gottlieb, evidently took no contemporaneous notes (other than 3 pages describing his search for a drug testing facility). Nearly 4 months later Gottlieb typed up a "supplemental case report" consisting of 33 typewritten pages of "investigative notes". His 'straight from memory' notes contradict other officers' contemporaneous notes as well as physical and medical evidence -- all of the contradictions tended to help (not hurt) Nifong's case". Oh, then there's the 4/4 "lineup" that violated the NC Innocent Commission guidelines as well as DPD's own policies. Two police officers (again Himan and Gottlieb) were at that 4/10 meeing with the DNA expert when they learned of multiple male non-lacrosse DNA was found on the panties, pubic comb, vaginal and rectal swabs of the accuser -- but there are no officer notes from that meeting (or the subseqent 4/21 and 5/12 meetings with DNASI). Around the end of March, DPD released the contents of the 9-1-1 call made at 12:53 the morning of the alleged attack....DPD appealed for the caller to come forward (strongly implying that not only was there an assault inside 610 N Buchanan but also a verbal assault against 2 other women outside the house). Only problem ... Kim Roberts had previously informed DPD on two occasions that she had made that call. Tapes of police radio communications from 3/13 and 3/14 that were requested by the defense -- were destroyed.

I'd say the falsely accused as well as the rest of the team may have quite a case against the city of Durham....just my opinion.

"What has bothered me most about the Nifong case is how quickly the defense lawyers brought all of the power of the national media to bear on the case so that it never got sorted out by twelve folks from Durham. Now it is the vindictiveness of the civil case and its derailing of an investigation that is striking me."

If I remember correctly, it was multitudes of statements made by Nifong and the PD that brought the national media to bear on this case. The defense would have failed in their ethical responsibilities to their clients had they NOT responded. I think it's ethics rule 3.6 that applies here ....

Do you really believe that all rape claims should go to a jury? Do you really believe that this case should have gone to a jury? Are you male or do you have a son or brother?

As much as I hate to think what civil settlements will do to our taxes -- I don't take them as vindictive. I believe the families of the falsely accused want to try to prevent others from living the hell they lived for the past 1.5 years - or worse.

"Could it be that the point is not to get justice but to ensure that rich white jocks at prestigious colleges get legal immunity?"

Or could it be that these families and their lawyers have come to believe that Durham isn't able to self correct? City council recommended the investigative committee back in May.... it's now September and the committee has met once.... Could the families have come to believe, perhaps, the investigation was going no where, fast?

I don't think this will be the end of the civil lawsuits -- then theres the possibility of criminal charges.... I think it'll be a really long time before you stop hearing Nifong stories... or paying for Nifong stories.

"Couldn't agree more. It's just more media obsession with the trials and tribulations of rich white children."

The media rushed to judgement in this case. The accused were called 'rich white racist jocks' and 'rapists' -- while the accuser was the soft spoken mother of two, dancing to put herself through college and served in the military. For months! The media literally fell all over each other to report this crime perpetrated by these 'rich white jocks'... then, when the case fell apart and the evidence didn't support the narrative -- the story changed.... they still weren't "choir boys" after all they drank and hired strippers... hardly unusual for college-aged females or males. Look out -- your narrative is showing.

Rich white racist jocks

Um......that probably applies to 90% of the team. The "rapists" part is about the only word that didn't apply...in this particular case.

If you take the "Duke Lacrosse Rape Case" out of the picture, the young men behaved in an abhorrent manner at the party and their parents and the rest of the Duke community should be ashamed. I actually never believed the young men were guilty of raping the woman at the party.(Yes, I rushed to judgment.) I'm convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that behavior they feel is normal is behavior I would consider grotesque. Certainly no reason to be charged with a crime they didn't commit, but also no reason to pass them off as innocent - in every sense of the word.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Man up and take your medicine without whining

The Democrats in Durham elected Mike Nifong after it was clear, at least to anyone not blinded by ideology, that he was falsely pursuing innocent men. Not all Durham should have to pay for this. I propose a "stupidity tax" on those who voted for him.

Wow

Very rarely does someone come out and just say, "I am American and I hate Democracy". But there it is. In print.

Thanks, but I will keep my secret ballot, and my democracy.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Don't be silly

That was not a serious proposal. The ballot was secret. But people who tried to put a stop to Nifong are going to have to pay along with his enablers. In my books that's fundamentally wrong. Although since the Republicans are in such a minority in Durham and clearly didn't put Nifong in office, maybe the stupidity tax could simply be levied on Dems. That would be fair.

So...what do you call re-electing Bush?

Intelligent? If it was stupidity that elected Nifong, then what kind of boneheaded moron would have voted to re-elect Bush? Do you propose that we just line up all Republicans to repay the trillions Bush has cost this country?



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Ah yes.

Because a discussion about Durham always need to be diverted to the President. This is known as Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS).

Next thing we know you'll try to find some way to say that Nifong's actions were really Bush's fault.

Nifong followed you home, you fed him, and now you have to clean up his messes.

Wasn't diverting.....it's relevant

You claimed Durham Dems were stupid for electing Nifong and should be taxed for their stupidity.

I'm not diverting....just pointing out that you aren't the brightest bulb in the pack yourself if you didn't see this coming.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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The most famous North Carolina Democrat is...

...drum roll please...

Mike Nifong

He's the national face of the NC Democrat party. You could have put and end to it but you didn't. Enjoy your imfamy.

p.s. The topic at hand is Mike Nifong. You want to change it to something else? Two can play the game if you like. The approval rating for the new Democrat Congress is worse than Bush's approval rating.

Okay. You win.

just a simple note

It's the Democratic Party. DEMOCRATIC party.

If you're going to talk badly about us, at least do it right.

I'm sure it was crystal clear to you

it was clear, at least to anyone not blinded by ideology, that he was falsely pursuing innocent men

and other racists that these white athletes would never rape a black stripper. It's preposterous! Why, they could have any girl they wanted, including attractive, well-bred white girls.

Let me tell you something, pal. Girls get raped by good little white boys all the time on college campuses, and these boys were (are?) rowdier than most. The team had been out of control for a long time before that party, and there are several complaints to prove it. As a matter of fact, if the f**king coach had quit (or been fired) when the complaints started piling up, the party in question might never have happened.

Oh, there's one other thing—if your gay-bashing "innocent" Colin Finnerty had been black, he would have done serious time for his first assault, and would have shown up for court in the rape case wearing prison orange and shackles, just long enough to get another 8-10 tacked onto his new career pounding out license plates.

scharrison is a liar

There was no queer bashing. There was no rape. (There ARE black on black rapes in Durham frequently, though, for which you and your cronies never invited the homophobic New Black Panthers nor held up a castrate sign like you did with the Duke hoax). THIS is why Colin Finnerty deserves walking away with between 5 and 10 million of Durham's money. Lunatics like scharrison talk like this, and the rest of Durham just stands by and allows them.

I'm not going to get upset

over these insults, because it's plain that you're an idiot. And this statement:

There was no queer bashing.

is legally correct, since he wasn't charged with a hate crime. But that's only because the guy he thought was gay turned out to be straight. But the intent was there, which makes him a f**king gay-basher.

Now you're lying again!

Whether the person Finnerty was in the altercation with was actually homosexual or not had nothing to do with it not being prosecuted as a bias crime. There was no intention on Finnerty's part of assaulting someone because of his sexuality, perceived or otherwise. Even the Washington Blade (the gay DC paper) said that! (And all Finnerty did was throw air punches). You're allowed your own opinion, but not your own facts. Face it, kiddo, the only homophobes in this case were black homophobe Durham activist Victoria Peterson and the murderously homophobic New Black Panthers Peterson was inciting to burn down the lacrosse house. (Man, what a barbaric town Durham is. At least the Finnerty family will put the money to good use, as their chartable donations have done in the past). And at least the Duke boys will clean up the corrupt DPD. God knows how many innocents are in prison there.

Who will clean up the Lacrosse team?

And that house....did you read how many semen stains/samples there were on items throughout the house? Grotesque examples of human beings.

The "Duke boys" would do well to clean themselves up before they go after anyone else....they might not have been guilty, but they sure as hell aren't innocent.



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Betsy Muse sounds grotesque.

Like a bizarre combination of old-fashioned old maid prudery and new-fashioned feminist male hatred. "Semen stains! Yuck!" As if any house full of 18 to 21 year old boys wouldn't be full of semen stains. Imagine what DNA evidence could pick up at the girl's houses! (Sue the pants off them, boys).

Oh how nice :)

Did you have to pull your head out of your ass to come up with that or are you able to see the keyboard through your bewwy button.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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I don't know what we would do

(Man, what a barbaric town Durham is. At least the Finnerty family will put the money to good use, as their chartable donations have done in the past). And at least the Duke boys will clean up the corrupt DPD. God knows how many innocents are in prison there.

without the help of the trustworthy and wise folks from New York coming down here to straighten things out and show us the way. :)

Feel free to throw as many air punches as you need to get your message of hope and acceptance across. :)

Alright, this is too much fun to be having on a Monday.

Why don't you get yourself cleaned up, maybe get a haircut, put on a fresh new shirt, and then go f**k yourself. If things don't seem to be going well, just give yourself a Rufi to get the party started.

Wow. I'm on fire. I need to write this stuff down. Oh yeah...nevermind. :)

keep trying

You rats lost. you're getting justifiably sued. Everybody knows just what you are.

Did your mama raise you

to be a complete asshole or did you figure it out all by yourself?

No one asked you to come here and attack people who disagree with you, and you've very quickly wearing out your welcome.

lol Anglico

You can read the language of those two- the one fibbing about Finnerty's queer-bashing and the other semen-obssessed one- and then say I'M the rude one. You're as bad as Durham ignoring the regular rapes and murders and then going crazy over the Duke one which never happened. But, don't worry. Those Yankee lawyers will set Durham straight, in case you or one of your sons ever get in legal trouble in that town. You'll get fair treatment after this.

Ding!

We have another winner!

Cutesy lightbulb pics won't change it.

The leftists of Durham have sown the wind. Time to reap the whirlwind.

Sweetie,

If a true Leftist whirlwind came to Durham, you wouldn't know what the fuck hit you.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

I do so love the way you have with words



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JTynan uses the words

semen and queer so frequently it does make one wonder who really has the obsession here. If we keep going his poor wittle head's just going to go a'splode.

scharrison is right....this is fun. I realize we're boardering on feeding a troll but he just keeps gobbling it up and the longer we go the more incoherent he becomes. Sometimes tt's fun to watch the little boogers just flail and flap around 'till they give up and go home.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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100 percent homosexual here, BMuse

And happily so. So if I had an obsession with semen and queers it would be natural. Now go join your Durham homophobe Victoria Peterson in still insisting the Duke boys are guilty. (While we're on the subject, notice how many of the Durham lynch mob are now supporting Michael Vick? "Even if he's guilty.." Sick town, Durham. But, like I said, the Yanks will set it right. -Joe Tynan (jtlooking@aol.com)

Are you really Joe Tynan?

The only Joe Tynan I can find on the interTubes is the Joe Tynan who's title is Director of Planned Giving at Duke Healthcare.

Please tell me that's not you . . . it's gotta be your daddy, right?

In any case, if you're dumb enough to sign your name to the trash you've been writing here at BlueNC, it's no wonder so many people in Durham hate Duke. Really.

A

PS You might get lucky, Joe. Reporters at the Durham Mourning Herald don't usually bother to read blogs. Otherwise the story of your . . . ummm . . . way with words would be big news tomorrow. And an even bigger PR problem for the good old Blue Devils.

You might want to give the official Mr. Tynan a heads-up that you've hung him out to dry. Unless of course you're actually the Director of Planned Giving yourself, in which case you might want to start looking for a new job.

Just saying.

:)

Yup...the crickets were getting loud.

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Free of Nifong Stories

When?

oh, I'd guess in about 10 years.

And that 24 hour sentence.... wow. That just made me feel warm and fuzzy all over. How'd that fare for ya'll?

Who's looking after Crystal Gail Mangum?

Everyone seems to be forgetting the victim of this tragedy. Because the unfair and racist focus on Nifong, this poor innocent, struggling student and mother is forgotten and raped by rich white boys.

I trust once we get a Democratic president, there will be a federal investigation of what happened here. I know something bad happened, I know it was rich white boys who did it, I know Crystal is the innocent victim and we must have justice.

Um.....just don't go there

I do believe the woman needs help and I fear she has once again fallen through the cracks. Years before she accused three black men of rape. Who is to say what really happened to her or when? The only thing I'm sure of is that the woman needs help and I'm not sure you and I would agree as to what kind of help she needs.

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You're damn right, Betsy.

It's not hard to believe that this woman needs help. And I'll give odds that she is not getting the help and support that she needs.

Fact #1: 17.6 % of women in the United States have survived a completed or attempted rape. Of these, 21.6% were younger than age 12 when they were first raped, and 32.4% were between the ages of 12 and 17. (Full Report of the Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women, Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey, November, 2000)

I give most of the men who frequent this site an A+ in "getting it" when it comes to women's issues. I'm not sure that the drive-bys do.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

I smell a set-up

I smell something, anyway. I'd love to believe you were sincere in your profile:

I am a lifetime progressive activist, interested in racial justice, socialism, animal rights, vegan culture, gender identity issues, and Islam.

Unfortunately, my bullshit meter is pinging steadily. ;/

Yeah...my bs meter was at full tilt too.....

but I wasn't going to leave that one out there hanging. :)

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The irony here

is all of the outrage on behalf of the "Duke 3". I have read very little on the NC blogs or news sites about Jena, LA. How many little towns around the U.S. still have examples of rampant racism like the situation there? I'm willing to make a wager that there are kids in my town that would laugh at the "joke" of displaying nooses as a threat. I'm willing to wager that there are a lot of people who have said, and who will say, that the Jena situation was blown out of proportion. Yet we continue to hear about how mistreated those poor Duke Lacrosse players were. I'm sure justice wasn't served, but the very fact that those three young men are white gave them a much better shot at justice, even with Nifong's apparent incompetence. And that's wrong.

How long is it going to take for there to be true equality?


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Can I make something perfectly clear?

I don't give a SHIT about the Duke Lacrosse case. I'm constantly amazed at the Republicans and other assorted wackos that show up whenever this case is brought up. It makes me realize the best hope we have for ending disparities like instant sentences for rock versus powder cocaine is to have some Duke kids put away for it. Or, maybe we could shift it to Stanford, get it out of our backyard.

It's suddenly like rich, white men realize there is a crappy justice system out there. Well, look at your bellweather state of Texas and the black kids on death row who were given drunk, sleeping public defenders while their "peers" voted them to death.

What a load of bull. The biggest surprise in all this is that the state actually did something to Nifong.
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