Why do men who never even served in the Military think...

First off, full disclosure.

I am a war veteran. I killed people. At short and long ranges. I don't have problems with that, most all of them would have gladly done the same to me.
I worked in federal law enforcement, and later for EMS in NYC.

I have seen plenty of violence, and it comes to visit me every now and again either in my actions or dreams.

Now, why on earth do people who have no professional experience with violence, violent people, subduing said people, or anything even remotely like that think they know how it is done?

Specifically, my friend commented that "if the Democrats had not taken all the guns from VT, the body count would have been lower."

Lower than his IQ?

Perhaps.

I did not know how to respond. I did not really want to get into it, having just gotten over a few nights of bad dreams specifically based on the VT events and some other things.

Anyone have any insight on this?

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No insight here.

Sorry.

But glad to learn a little more about you.

Tell your friend I said he/she is a fucking idiot.

I find that telling people, even those who are

clearly "fucking idiots" that they are indeed fucking idiots, especially this new freeper-wannabe-RushLimpballs-rah-rah-My-Country-Right-or-wrong-love-it-or-leave-it, Fox news watching asshats, is an amazing waste of time.
I wish it were otherwise.

Your mileage may vary.

Not a waste of time

It won't change anything about them, but at least they'll know that you know that they are, indeed, fucking idiots.

I said this to my sister-in-law's boyfriend. He was going on about what a great preznit Bush is. I said they were both fucking idiots. Sister in law eventually broke off her engagement to the fucking idiot. This was a good thing, and I like to think I had a small part in it.

Like I said, YMMV

I have no tact. It has taken me 50+ years of life to realize this.
I don't compromise well. I don't like compromise, I believe no one ever wins.

I have discovered that I prefer, in my older state, not to fight with people... that going home is preferable to going to a hospital or jail.

And I fear that should something escalate from the "you are a fucking idiot" stage to something else, I may just revert to, well, I only fight one way, and I am still around.

To me it is not worth it. I have finally learned the way of the grasshopper.

I actually have a Gun Control diary in the wings.

I'm trying to decide when to publish it. I might not be here tomorrow until later, then again I MIGHT be here tomorrow.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Bring it on

Eager to hear your thoughts.

War is over if you want it.

It'll probably have to wait.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Gun control is a hot topic

burns the fingers when touched. In this case tho, the dismanteling of the Mental Health System is the true cause, to my knowledge.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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Momo

is right about this case being a health care issue.

But, to answer the question in the diary, because they are bullies.

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"Keep the Faith"

Republicans have this glorified view of the world...

That it's as if we live in the Old West and that if we all had sidearms, we'd be perfect shots and have perfect judgment.

Me? I think that if those kids in that building had guns the body count would be much higher.

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Thomas

What have YOU done today to make the world a better place?

Of course, that is possible... either one

that was my attempt at coddling him, pointing out there is no way to predict in retrospect what might have occurred, especially with all the variables involved in human behavior.
I suggested he had never been in a situation like that, but he blew me off, saying... "oh yeah, I forgot you are a Democrat."

I think getting home to blog about it was the best move.

Democrats

never took anyone's guns away. Anglico is right, your friend is an idiot.

And - if there were more guns, there could have been more dead. What's worse than panic and hysteria? Panic and hysteria with guns. Duh.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

what about

all the days that there isnt someone wandering the halls shooting people? is no one going to get into a fight because someone might have a gun? of course not. guns dont prevent anything.

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"Keep the Faith"

I had a much better post but

I had a much better post but it got zapped upon posting.

NC has had a concealed carry law for about 10 years. When it was proposed, opponents warned of simple disagreements escalating into gunfights and just a general "wiild west" atmosphere.

Guess what? It didn't happen. Nationwide statistics bear out that people with concealed carry permits do go around illegally shooting people. Those who obey the law by purchasing legal firearams and getting a carry permit do not contribute to crime or illegal violence.

Even if you don't believe the studies or individual anecdotes which have shown concealed carry laws have lowered violent crime, there is certainly nothing out there showing concealed carry permit holders committing gun crimes and certainly nothing showing anything near the "shootout at the OK Corrall" so many predicted.

I'm still pissed

because I want to have a bazooka permit, you know, just in case I need to intervene in some dispute, and they won't let me have one. I also got turned down on my request to place land mines in my driveway to keep out undesirables. Goddamn commies.

My brother has a permit to carry

He has to prosecute some pretty hardened criminals at times and things get dicey.

Of course, I did joke with him one time when he had it in a holster at his back, that one wrong move and he would blow his own ass off. :)

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

HAHAHA!

That's hysterical!

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

Yeah adding guns to the system

does not make the most sense to me either.

But, what do I know?

I am a Democrat.

Indeed...

What's worse than panic and hysteria? Panic and hysteria with guns. Duh.

Not to mention that law enforcement wouldn't know which kid with a gun is the right kid with a gun...

Thomas S. Brock
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Thomas

What have YOU done today to make the world a better place?

As I've been ranting on Anglico's blog. . .

About how conservatives piss on the soldiers they prop up VERBALLY to label us as treasonous and defeatist, all in the name of $$$$$$$$.

All they are about is money. Chasing money and bathing in it when they get in power. It's why we have lobbyist and energy industry people running the EPA. It's why they always side with the credit card giants when writing bankruptcy law. It's why big pharma WRITES prescription drug plans.

They will fight for guns because guns are consumed---they won't restrict their purchase because it's a purchase. Bought and paid for by the gun lobby. It's not about rights----it's about profiteering over the common good.

Damn, I fucking hate republicans today. Normally, it's a deep, but polite dislike. Gloves are off.

War is over if you want it.

Each situation regarding the use of deadly force

is unique to the moment. Each person who has a gun available to them must be thinking about the use of deadly force when a potential situation starts to develope.

Depending on the gun holders mental makeup at that moment and to many other variables, what happened today may not hold true tommorrow even if the exact same circumstances where presented. The mind of the gun holder has changed and there in the uncontrollable variable for all shooting scenarios.

I do not have a conceled weopon permit, but I had to think about and train folks on the use of deadly force, the rules of escalation, set up training scenarios of shoot or no shoot for 6 years on two diffrent ships.

If you have not received that kind of training, and are not thinking about pulling that trigger, then having a gun in your house is useless as when the time comes to use it, the moment will pass, and your opertunity is gone to safely defend yourself.

I am hoping that the training required to receive one of these permits brings you thru some of those scenarios and also makes you think what will happen if I do pull that trigger in this situation. If that is happening and the training is realistic enough, then probably the person with the permit has a level head and would probably be able to determine when to and not to shoot. when to reveal his weopon and use it or keep it hidden and let the appropriate authorities handle the situation.

I am hoping that the training provided also includes sceinarios where no shoot is the best option.

I want to belief that people with concieled weopons have this kind of training and look at that weopon as an instrament of death to be used as a last resort. To utilize that weopon only in the case of imenent threat of death to one self or to another. These permits should not be given out to just anyone.

I fortunatly have never pointed a loaded weopon at another person, but have pointed unloaded and had unloaded ones pointed at me. Even unloaded, the ramification of that action was chilling. When I carried a weopon, I knew that I had the ability to terminate life. I also knew that in the wrong situation, I was a primary target for carrying that weopon as I was a threat to the other person wishing to do me harm.

If the person has the right mental makeup, respect for the weopon, respect for his fellow man and proper training, I do not have a problem with legal concealed weopons or weopons in general.

Exactly. And far more eloquent than I...

Of course, this is not the case in the vast majority of people with such permits. Sadly, it is not even the case with many "professional" gun carriers.

One of the dirty little secrets that cops like to repress, and the GOP machine ignore, is that many, many (some years most) police officers are killed WITH THEIR OWN GUN after they lose control of it.

When you carry that hunk of metal around all day. In the rain. In the cold. In the heat. At night. Having it tug on your seat belt every time you get in or out of a car. After a while, you forget it's there.

You do. But those you are trying to subdue do not.

They know you have a weapon, or two, and they have the advantage of surprise. No one can prepare for it all the time, not a police officer, and certainly not an armed civilian without training.

Here we go... a "professional" in law enforcement

leaves his gun and holster in a public restroom.

according to the Citizen-Times, here Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown left his gun and holster in a public restroom in a grocery store.

Now, if an experienced law enforcement officer can space out like that, how does anyone think armed civilians can do any better?

You know, Ashevillein...

I was reeeaaally hoping nobody outside of Onslow County would find out about that...

Sheriff Brown is a nice guy and I think he generally means well.

This is a doozy of a mistake and I believe that there should be some sort of punishment, though I'm not educated enough in who would be responsible for its administration...

Thomas S. Brock
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Thomas

What have YOU done today to make the world a better place?

I did not mean to accuse Sheriff Brown

per se, just point out the way human nature interacts with firearms.

I am sure he is a nice guy, and a fine sheriff, but let's face it, if he had walked out of that men's room and into a VT situation, his handgun would not have helped, and could have hurt quite a bit.

Ashevillein,

No worries, there's no need to worry about accusations. The Sheriff did leave his sidearm in the bathroom. He should be ashamed of the mistake.

The theory that arming everyone would make the world a safer place is clearly a myth.

If any of those VT students were armed, I have no doubt that the body-count would be substantially higher...

Thomas S. Brock
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Thomas

What have YOU done today to make the world a better place?

Different depts handle it differently

He could be suspended, or he could be fired. The problem was that it could have gotten into the wrong hands and been used in a crime. Bad move, really bad move.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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Or if a curious child had gotten his hands on it.

That's what frightens me about unsecured guns.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi