Who are our Progressive Senators?

Okay, so let me have it. I'm thinking of making this a static page if we get a good description of the Senators. The key again is: P = Progressive, M = Moderate, or DINO = Democrat in name only. I also feel compelled to mention that we should not take into account the recent sell-out of North Carolina by the Senate, otherwise all our Senators could be labeled DINOs. I'll start, Ellie Kinnaird, Progressive.

Charles W. Albertson
Bob Atwater
Marc Basnight
Doug Berger
Julia Boseman - P
Daniel G. Clodfelter
Janet Cowell - P
Walter H. Dalton
Charlie Smith Dannelly
Katie G. Dorsett
Tony Foriest - P/M
Linda Garrou
Steve Goss
Malcolm Graham
Kay R. Hagan
David W. Hoyle - DINO
Clark Jenkins
Ed Jones
John H. Kerr III
Eleanor Kinnaird - P
Vernon Malone
Floyd B. McKissick, Jr.
Martin L. Nesbitt, Jr. - P/M
William R. Purcell
Joe Sam Queen
Tony Rand
Larry Shaw
John Snow
R. C. Soles, Jr.



Well, since we are ignoring the budget...
Cowell is a progressive.
I think Clodfelter is.

There are a lot of moderates and DINOs on that list though....

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Clodfelter is a great Senator

But I don't know if that means a label one way or another.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

thinking more

Boseman is a progressive.
Screwy Hoolie spoke well of Nesbitt, so he is probably a progressive.

Im finding it hard to define a lot of these people. Goss and Foriest are freshman, so I am definitely unsure of them.

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If asked in public,

Nesbitt would probably reject the progressive label. He calls himself a "mountain populist." But he's more P than M, and when he was in the House, he was enormously effective at advancing particular progressive causes. Statewide, that is. On local legislation he sometimes manages to get Buncombe progressives mad.


how about a lower case, italicized P?

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News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,


Tony Foriest is a new guy, from my county and a friend -- I say he is somewhere between progressive and moderate (until proven otherwise)



not as many P's in the Sen as in the House

If this was about the House, I could name a bunch.

Hmmm....I've heard Garrou called progressive in some circles.

Jeanne Lucas, God rest her soul, was quite progressive. Her replacement, Floyd McKissick, is probably somewhat, but not nearly as much. Of course it's too early to tell, to be honest.....not much time to form a voting record yet.

Garrou anyone?

Can anyone second it?

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

I am willing

to ignore yes votes on the budget. I am not willing to ignore the co-chairs of that committee.

Hagan, Garrou and Dalton all got a push to the right on that one. If they were progressive before they should now be moderates. If they were moderate they should be called DINOs

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My senator, Bob Atwater, is somewhere between moderate and progressive. Good guy. I've got a lot of respect for him.

I Don't Mind the (M)s but the DINOs

gotta ... go.

Why do they do that?

Who else is working on the list? Is some investigative journalism in order?

i.e. call them up and ask. heh heh.

I'm having trouble making the case

that any of them are progressive given the budget fiasco. Seems like the whole chamber is more of a secret club than a forum for doing the people's business.

I understand and I agree.

I also think it is telling that no one responded to this post.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

That could just be a product of us all...

living in a few districts (which would make sense since mainly P's have been identified, clearly we're all flocking to the same places). The district I grew up is currently held by a Republican and the one I'm moving to is the 16th (Cowell).


my mom is in the 16th.

where will you be in wake co?

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Sounds Like Me, Hadrian -

except mine are so lame, I've taken to writing to the other (R) that represents the part of the county I don't live in.

At least I hear back from him.

Just sayin'

T-1 week as of today

I'll be in the Crabtree area of Raleigh.

I grew up in North Raleigh in what's now the 15th its still Repubican but the House seat was a pickup by Ty Harrell, so there's some progress for you.

I guess the other thing that's getting me about this exercise is that it depends on whether you're talking in terms of US politics or NC, by national standards there's only a few Progressives (Kinnaird and Cowell are the only ones that really JUMP out at me as such) and I would call all the rest save a couple moderates. When I was going through the list in my head though I was thinking, well they're a moderate, but compared to NC Republicans they're pretty progressive...but that's not saying that much. The NC Republican party probably could give the Bush administration the best competition in its combination of Idealogical scaritude as well as magnificent incompetence.

well then

glad to have you (back)

my mom is very lucky. One year she gained Deborah Ross as her rep, then 2 years later she added Janet Cowell as her Senator.

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DINO #1 - David Hoyle

Senator Hoyle seems to be about as DINO as they come. Some days I can't tell where he ends and the corporate mob begins. He practically tried to gut the workers comp system last session. I've wanted to see someone take this guy out for a long time.

And a word for those that have said no Democrat can win his seat, thus if he loses we lose a seat in the Senate: so be it. I would argue that having a Republican in Hoyle's seat woud be better. We'd still have an unusually large majority in the Senate and we wouldn't have Hoyle in the Senate caucus, in the Senate leadership, at the helm of any Senate committee. Can you imagine Finance chaired by just Clodfelter as opposed to the current co-chairmanship of Hoyle and Clodfelter?

You can scroll through his sponsored and co-sponsored bills and see that he will put his name on progressive legislation from time to time. But even the sun shines on a dog's ass every once in awhile.

Thanks, and I agree.

It's funny, in the last election when the House widened their margin I said to an elected official that I guessed they could stop being held hostage by the five DINOs that kept threatening to become Republicans if they didn't get their way. I think we have yet to see if they have manned up to that strategy, but it seems like they are leaning that way. Meanwhile, the problem in the Senate seems to be that there are 5% Progressives, and the moderates have basically told them to stick it where the sun don't shine - and they have.

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

Just curious,

anyone know of a democrat being forceably ejected from the party (besides Joe Liebermann)?

Do you have to be officially sanctioned to run as a party candidate?

I believe the only thing they can do...

is the state or national party can not endorse you, even if you win the party's nomination in your district. That's what they did to Jefferson in LA (well and ran someone against him).

Beside the obvious run someone against you in a primary.