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I'm not sure I can entirely explain what's going on between Moore and Perdue right now, but I can tell you one thing: it ain't pretty. For those not interested in all the sordid details, it goes something like this (thanks to the Dome's steady reporting):

1. Our two top Democratic members of the Council of State decide to compete in the governor's race

2. Dirty tricks start early on here at BlueNC

3. A low-level guerrilla war breaks out on all fronts

4. People in both offices do musical chairs, moving from being state employees to campaign staffers

5. At least one person on Moore's staff slips up and uses a computer in the Treasurer's office to do opposition research for Moore's campaign, triggering this response from Perdue:

Beverly Perdue has asked the state auditor to look into public records requests. In a letter to Les Merritt today, the lieutenant governor's legal counsel writes that her office has received several e-mails from a computer in the state treasurer's office requesting public records.

"While it is every citizen's right to request public records, I am concerned that someone was using state computer resources in the office of the State Treasurer to conduct political campaign opposition research," writes her staff attorney, Will Polk.

6. Moore pokes back saying, basically, everybody does it and that Beverly Perdue's campaign has also used state resources.

In a letter to state Auditor Les Merritt, Moore's campaign manager, Jay Reiff, charges that Perdue's chief of staff has been running her unofficial gubernatorial campaign.

7. Moore declares he will discipline Julie White, who is, he say, the offending party.

(Meanwhile, the Dome gets miffed that Moore shared the news only with Mark Binker at the Greensboro paper)

8. Perdue says "not so fast."

Beverly Perdue says Julie White did not act alone. “It’s clear from the documents that others in the office were involved and that the problem was more widespread," said communications director Tim Crowley. "The Treasurer owes a deeper explanation than what has been given so far." Earlier, Crowley said Moore's counter-claim to state Auditor Les Merritt was a "campaign stunt."

Everyone in both offices has to watch the line between politicking and being a state employee. That's a given for any staff member, but it's harder than it might look. Julie White works part-time for Richard Moore the Treasurer and part-time for Richard Moore the candidate. No wonder the poor woman got confused.

In any case, expect things to get more heated as both campaigns move into full-blown frenzies. As part of gearing up for her big announcement on October 1, Perdue has moved Zach Ambrose from serving as her Chief of Staff to serving as her Campaign Manager. He's up against Jay Reiff, in Richard Moore's corner.

From all I can see, we're now entering Round 2, where campaign stunts will likely devolve into real punches. Like I said, it ain't pretty, and it's probably going to get a whole lot uglier before it's over.

But no matter how bad it gets, it'll be nothing compared to what's going to happen when Fred Smith (who grew up in an orphanage, by the way) takes on Perdue in the general. At least she'll be battle tested, which is the only saving grace I can see coming out of this hard-fought primary.

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And in this corner weighting 150 lbs, Rumbel Moore?

Beverly Perdue has asked the state auditor to look into public records requests. In a letter to Les Merritt today, the lieutenant governor's legal counsel writes that her office has received several e-mails from a computer in the state treasurer's office requesting public records.* Paying Fan

I feel like a guy at a boxing match

where I know it's just a warm up for the Main Event.* Anglico

Having Les as a Referee in this pissing contest is like having Idi Amin referee a fight in the Jungle between Muhammad Ali and George Forman.

I'm biding my time

I want to see just how far they're going to push each other.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

They need to quit shoving each other

and start talking about what they're going to do for North Carolina.

I haven't heard a thing about Early Childhood from either of them. Both our current governor and former Gov. Hunt made it a priority to move NC forward by making our children a priority. I want to hear the positions of both of these Dems on Issues like School Readiness, More at Four, Smart Start, etc. I don't want to hear "he hit me first" bullshit.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

What a shame

Two good Dems wasting their time and good names beating each other up.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Progressive Discussions

It doesnt help

That both campaign managers and candidates are seasoned and incredibly intelligent. I dont think either campaign will get one over on the other very often.

If this campaign was a football game I would predict a 6-3 win with a lot of injured players afterwards.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Exactly.

If this campaign was a football game I would predict a 6-3 win with a lot of injured players afterwards.

A lot of injured democrats.

So both of them need to get back to being professional and looking like they'd make a sensible executive. And get their staffers in line like the leaders they claim/hope to be.

One of them needs to run for senate!!!!!!!!! (I know, I know)

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

On the other hand...

would we give such an easy pass to a Republican who was using "government resources" to run their campaign?
I really wish that Ms. Perdue would just get into the race already and stop this beating around the bush.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

October 1

In New Bern.

You're invited!

With all due respect

The Oct. 1 announcement date is a big game play. She's been running for years, and everyone knows it. What the hell?

They both need to stop acting like spoiled brats and run decent campaigns. Neither one of them should give any other candidate any "ammunition" for the general election. I would prefer that Democrats be above the shenanigans that they're engaging in. I guess it's not going to happen.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

It's not.

. . . going to happen, that is.

That said, I don't agree with folks who are criticizing Perdue for holding off to a date of her choice for an announcement. Time was, announcing as early as October would have been considered boorish and overly eager.

Plus, I think I remember learning that there are certain things candidates can and can't do, depending on whether they've formally declared or not. I'm guessing the campaign made a conscious decision to delay for some specific and practical reasons - though I have no way of knowing what they are.

Final thought: this business of year-round campaigning does not sit well with me. It sucks up resources, burns people out, and doesn't shed much light on anything that matters. I'd rather see campaigns shortened, not lengthened.

We wouldn't have this point...

if we only had a six month campaign season.
One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I totally agree about the length of campaigns.

They're way too long, and way too expensive. But for Perdue to play the announcement game now seems disingenuous now. And I'm sure you're right - there are things that candidates can do that non-candidates can't, and vice-versa. I'm just being a cynical bitch tonight.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Cynical, maybe

but I've never known you to be anything other than straight and clear and forthright - even when you're dressing down the lunatics on the Longest Thread In History.

Let's face it, woman. You are just plain nice - and I love that about you!

xoxo

You made me laugh for the first time today!

For that, you get all kinds of cyber hugs. (Don't throw that nice stuff around too much. You'll ruin my tough guy rep.)

I'm headed to bed early tonight. Sweet dreams to my BlueNC buddies.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Marathon Campaigns

First, this opinion is coming from from someone who announced in Jan 2007 for a Nov 2008 race - a 22 month "campaign" - I call it a running start.

Pro's: My opponent had to go the whole long session of the General Assembly with me breathing down his neck. I have spent most of 2007 fund raising, planning, and organizing - but not at the frenetic pace normally associated with campaigning. I will be able to start a concerted ground game 12 months before the election - that is a lot of doors! To the voters, I have longer to establish consistency and name recognition. I did not have to be cagey about announcing to announce that I was thinking about announcing about possibly considering a run.... just not my style.

Cons: People can get burned out - I've been very careful about rotating the heavy lifting. Fundraisers are several months apart for the same reason. People think you are too eager (they are right!). Politics is volatile and has a half life, what you do a year before an election has much less impact than what you do right before an election. You overrun local/municipal off year elections (try not to be rude).

Bottom line, if we think we can wake up 4 months before any election and sprint to the finish, we have not been paying attention to our opposition - they have been campaigning year in and year out for decades and never really stop. We shouldn't either.

That said, I could do with shorter primary seasons - I never much liked Dem on Dem violence.

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Ed Ridpath
www.EdRidpath.com

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Would either candidate listen to a letter from us?

Let's send them a BlueNC letter asking them to rethink the vitriol and treat each other with more respect for the sake of voters looking to them to lead our state, not just win an election. If we could find a way for those who wanted to sign it yet keep an online anonymity, I'd bet we would get thousands of signatures.

Have you called to support H. Res 333 Impeach Cheney Today? call 202-224-3121 & ask for your Congress member by name

I'd sign

Nice idea.

I think that's a good idea.

And I bet every Democrat in the state would sign something like that.


Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Of course

it might help if we had some BlueNC letterhead!

:)

PS Which reminds me, I promised long ago to get BlueNC business cards for those who wanted them.

:: adds back to to-do list ::

Laura Leslie

'splains the latest dust-up in the ongoing battle. Her opening paragraph is beautiful:

With only 8 months left (!) till the primary, it's scorched-earth time for Democratic gubernatorial contender Richard Moore, who's facing Bev Perdue for the '08 nomination. With friends like these, who needs the GOP?

Scruff of the neck

I was a teenager during the Bowles-Taylor era but was aware of the bitterness that resulted because one of the candidates was from my hometown. I was active in the party and in campaigns during the Edmisten-Knox era and acutely aware of the bitterness that resulted from that campaign.

In both of the previous cases, neither candidate went on to provide the kind of leadership we needed in the mansion. However, this goes well beyond the two candidates. The bitterness will be massive; involving hundreds, if not thousands, of loyal, committed, and engaged progressives. The soldiers on one side, and potentially on both sides, will be left bleeding on the ground and their talents will also be lost. It will take years to rebuild and many will never engage again.

No good can come from this behaviour. Someone will be inaugurated in January 2009 and will need to govern. Best case scenario: one cousin will limp in without the support of half the family. Worst case: somebody else's family will govern.

Someone (Governor Easley? Governor Hunt? Chairman Meek?) has to sit these two candidates down and tell them to grab their attack hounds by the scruff of the neck. NOW. Please.

Isn't this a great place?

Think about it, how often would you have been able to get this insight from a (wo)man on the street 20 years ago?

Now, it's a daily occurrence, that someone chimes in with some great observations that I feel really help in my understanding of North Carolina politics.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me