Shuler Notes: Iraq, Small Business, Immigration

I'm confused.

When Freshman Congressman Heath Shuler voted for the Iraq Supplemental providing for funding the troops, ensuring their readiness, and establishing a timeline for withdrawal, I thought he meant that he'd like to see our troops out of Iraq's civil war. He said this,

"The time has come for a new direction in Iraq. Tonight I joined with a majority of the House of Representatives to once again to change our course, while demanding accountability and fiscal responsibility over the war in Iraq. This Congress will not grant President Bush a blank check to continue this war indefinitely."

Rep. Shuler, however, then voted against the McGovern Amendment (HR2237), which would "provide for the redeployment of United States Armed Forces and defense contractors from Iraq."

The Iraq Supplemental creates benchmarks for withdrawal beginning in October, while the McGovern amendment would withdrawal troops 90 days after passage.

It appears that while Shuler is for withdrawal, he's not for withdrawal until more American deaths occur. I don't understand. Either Bush's handling of the war is a mistake or it's not. Perhaps Rep. Shuler thinks he'll get too much political flack for supporting the McGovern amendment, but he's already getting flack like this from the RNC:

"Waving a white flag of surrender once again, Heath Shuler voted for a timetable for withdrawal that would signal America's defeat in Iraq."

It's clear that Shuler doesn't believe the Republican talking points about withdrawal and victory/success, so what gives?
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Shuler co-sponsored the "Buy American" amendment, which passed the House 398-29. Shuler said the amendment would "discourage federal agencies from using foreign companies or outsourcing to large businesses that then may subcontract with foreign companies. Small business could gain $15 billion in contracts, Shuler’s office estimates."
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From a press release:

"It is unfair to those who have gone through and are continuing to go through the process of legal immigration to grant amnesty and citizenship to those who have entered our country illegally," Rep. Shuler continued.

Published reports have indicated that members of the Senate are close to introducing an immigration bill that will contain amnesty for the 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants now in the United States.

It's unclear what Congressman Shuler would have us do with the 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants currently within our borders. Would he have them arrested and tried as felons? Where would he jail them? Is he saying they should all be deported? Will he introduce budgetary language to provide for this massive deportation?

Congressman Shuler touts his fiscal conservatism, but even the most conservative estimate of how to pay for incarceration or deportation of these human beings would run into the billions of dollars. Not considering the human cost of ripping families apart and encouraging racism, Shuler is pushing the hard line we came to expect from disgraced former Congressman Charles Taylor.

Comments

Very good points, Screwy

Asking tough questions without Heath-bashing. You busted your fanny and dedicated a huge amount of time to get the man elected and you deserve answers.

It's unclear what Congressman Shuler would have us do with the 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants currently within our borders. Would he have them arrested and tried as felons? Where would he jail them? Is he saying they should all be deported? Will he introduce budgetary language to provide for this massive deportation?

Honestly, though, I wouldn't look to Heath for answers. It looks like he's all bluff and bluster and no action.....just like so many others in Washington.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Maybe

Congressman Shuler needs a mentor. He's a freshman, after all, and Washington is a big, intimidating place, even for an ex-jock.

I'm totally serious. We've known that Shuler is a more conservative Dem - is there not another conservative leaning Dem that he can work with to help him craft statements that aren't quite so, um, confusing?

As for amnesty for undocumented residents - does it have to be immediate? Could it not be a planned program, with actual steps - dare I say guidelines and benchmarks - for people who have been living here and who have a stake in the community to enroll in and work their way toward legal residency and citizenship? What on earth would be wrong with that?

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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Mentors.

Might I suggest the dems that voted for the amendment:
Price
Miller
Watt
Butterfield

We were let down by:
Etheridge
Shuler
McIntyre

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Etheridge

It always amazes me that Etheridge does not get more attention for his conservatism. Granted, he represents the likes of Harnett County, but keep in mind he also represents part of Wake.

If Etheridge, McIntyre and Shuler

think they are voting their constituency, maybe they just aren't hearing from the more progressive members of their communities.

We need to do more outreach to make sure the people living in these three districts are in touch with their reps - often.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Perhaps...

he's for the European-style Bush advocated system of granting temporary status to illegal immigrants with the propsect of eventual citizenship. Although having seen how well that system works in Europe I'd say either keeping our current Catch-22 style non-system would sadly be preferable.

if we

refuse to give them jobs, refuse to teach them... pretty much if we encourage more racism then we will end up like the europeans no matter what. If we keep acting like Americans and are proud that people want to live here then we will be fine.

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Liddy 44 Brad 33

"Keep the Faith"

Sorry if this shows up twice, not sure my edit worked...

Yeah, I don't understand why we don't start immigration reform with the Legal Immigration side, since that seems the root of the problem. Yeah it doesn't fix what to do with those illegal immigrants that are already here, but I don't really think there is an achievable solution on that issue any time soon. So why not work on at least making it possible for more people to get in this country legally so that they're not caught in a legal-limbo.

Come now

I think there could be a good argument that getting the benchmarks is a better strategy than sending the same bill back to the president. I know that we severely dislike Bush, but he still has the power of the veto and commander in chief. It appears that the Democrats have gotten him to accept these benchmarks instead of a timetable (which unless you are a pollster trying to cover Bush's behind, are the same thing).

And Bush got us into this mess, which I did not support to begin. But now that we are there, we do have some form of moral obligation not to leave it in a worse condition. I think that we need to begin to move our forces, as we are creating more issues than solving, but maybe moving them immediately out of the country is not the best idea either.

Anyways I think that Shuler's position is reasonable on the war amendment. Also, you can bet dollars to donuts that Taylor would not have voted for any of these.

As for immigration, I think you are taking the case too far. But his rhetoric has been disturbing.

You're not possibly suggesting...

compromise can work? :)

Did you want some cheese to go with your surrender?

Ditto

Cave and compromise when "benchmarks" look like tombstones? Not a moral strategy.

Immigration rhetoric

In my mind I've asked the logical question. If illegals can't stay, then they'll have to go. Anti-immigrant hardliners are sincerely discussing rounding up all these people and moving them back to where they came from. Who's going to pay for that? What are the social costs?

These are serious questions, not rhetorical firebombs. The bombs are all being thrown by the hardliners.

Scrutiny Hooligans - http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us

Exactly

And if you add up the financial costs, that same funding could be used to support a system to help those who want to become legal residents/citizens. These are our neighbors we're talking about. They have a stake in the community; and many of their children are citizens. If anything, we have a responsibility to those children to help their parents get on the right side of the law so that they can work legally and provide a stable home life for their children without having to hide every time the doorbell rings.

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My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

free markets

I often wonder how those who claim to be "free market" can also claim to be "tough on immigration." Free markets require both freely flowing capital AND freely moving labor. Those who would claim to believe in the free market are required to accept the need for free borders. It says so within the first 20 pages of any economic textbook. Am I confused?

Yes, you are confused.

It says so within the first 20 pages of any economic textbook. Am I confused?

Textbook?

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Jerimee Jerimee Jerimee

You don't get it! The cool thing about being a free market fundie or whatever they're calling themselves is that you get to pick and choose which part of the theory works for you! It's beautiful! One might call it Shopping Cart Economics! I'm telling you - it's the wave of the future. This way, we get to rid the country of those nasty illegals and give all the high payin' jobs to 'Mericans. Know whudda mean?

So much for being positive today. :)
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The Den
My darling girl, when will you understand that 'normal' isn't necessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage." - Alice Hoffman, Practical Magic

Nice weather we're having , ain't it?

Just lightening up the conversation.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

I don't know how we can do it,

but we need to replace both Shuler and McIntyre. They're both behaving like
Republicans on issues of importance. I'm very disappointed.
SE NC Dems

Stan Bozarth

Here comes my skeptical side

I can think of about 100 or so other Democrats - and more at times - that 'act' like Republicans. I also take one hard look at their district and realize that if they were more like me, they'd less likely be in Congress. That's exactly the reason Charles Taylor was in Congress for so long.

I think Shuler, as he becomes more established, will inch to the left some more. But being a Freshman Congressman in a swing district with a conservative bent makes it hard 'act' like us.

With that said, anyone who thought Shuler would be different than he's been drank the kool aid. It was clear from the beginning that Shuler would not toe the line the way we would want him to, but would certainly be what we needed him to be: +1 in the Democratic column when it came to who Congress chose as Speaker.

O

P.S. On a side note, didn't Shuler originally get drafted to run by Bush Co.? I heard that somewhere, but haven't been able to confirm?

Yes, but . . .

all the more reason for us to gently - or sometimes not so gently - coax and cajole the good Congressman into broadening his views.

In retrospect, I think we were right on the money to criticize his participation in the Civitas CIrcus, for example. Did we stop him? No one ever thought we would. Will he think twice about future invitations? I hope so . . . but even if he doesn't, we may have succeeded in helping some reporters break the habit of referring to the Circus as a "think tank."

We really have only a couple of tools at our disposal. Pats on the back . . . and attacks. We have to get good at using them together.

No need to replace

Rep. Shuler simply needs to be persuaded in a direction that will represent all of his constituents - that includes gays, lesbians, and the disabled who need stem cell research. We've got time. All it takes now is effort and attention.

Scrutiny Hooligans - http://www.scrutinyhooligans.us

I agree.

I'd rather give him an occasional time-out than send him packing.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me