Senator Clinton Comments on Senator Obama's "Pennsylvanians are bitter" statement

From Mayhill Fowler
Obama made a problematic judgment call in trying to explain working class culture to a much wealthier audience. He described blue collar Pennsylvanians with a series of what in the eyes of creamy Californians might be considered pure negatives: guns, clinging to religion, antipathy, xenophobia.

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

More at Huffington's Post, Mayhill Fowler

Hillary Comments on Senator Obama's "Pennsylvanians are Bitter."

Comments

Let's Reminisce

Lemme think...things about the 90's that I didn't like:

NAFTA
DOMA
Don't Ask, Don't Tell
The Rise of Osama Bin Laden (Started under Reagan, Continued under Bush 41 and Clinton)
Failure in the Criminal Justice System
Welfare "Reform"
Blackhawk Down in Somalia
Genocide in Rwanda
The Degradation of Al Gore

And, oh yeah, that whole impeachment thing that nobody wants to talk about...

Am I forgetting something?

It wasn't awful--and I'd take the 90s, even with its bad fashion and boy bands, over the last eight years any day of the week--but let's not sugarcoat it like the 90s were prosperous and/or peaceful for everyone.

For the record, Obama's response:

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

When I lived in Asheville

the town of Woodfin motto was "Looking to the Future", to which we sometimes added, "... Clinging to the Past." That always comes to mind for me when I hear people talk about the good ol' days of the '90's. Personally I'd rather go forward, not backward.

So, this is Obama's response to Obama's comment

neat o.

Don't Ask Don't Tell...what was the policy of the Armed Forces prior to Don't Ask, Don't Tell?
As for NAFTA, well, it has worked quite well from some Americans- and their are some areas that need improvement. But as you say, let's not kid ourselves, American Jobs had been leaving the US prior to NAFTA. NAFTA is an attempt to level the playing field that has yet to benefit working folks in Ohio like it has in Texas.
The rise of Osama Bin Laden...wow, are you sure you're a Democrat, sounds like you have borrowed some right wing talking points.
Failure of the Criminal Justice System? You got me there- it's been broken since it's inception to one degree or another. But I would love to hear why that is Former President Clinton's fault.
Welfare reform, not perfect policy- but an attempt to create a more sustainable, workable, entitlement program that benefits those who work for the benefit of themselves and their community. Blackhawk down- I was unaware that President Clinton shot down our soldiers in Somalia, I was under the impression he was trying to do the right thing- and on certain levels it didn't have the most pristine outcome. Genocide in Rwanda- now there is something we can agree whole-heartily on. I wish our country would have had the political will to do what we (most) Americans would want from other countries if the same atrocities were taking place here.
Degradation of Al Gore- I disagree with you. Everybody in the real democratic party, loves Al Gore.

While we are reminiscing - let's talk about

Pell Grants
Homeownership
Teen Pregnancy
Gas Prices
Strategic Oil Reserves
Unemployment rates
Consumer Confidence
Small Business Expansion
Assault Weapons Ban
Lower Crime Rates
More First Responders

A President who felt compelled to speak out against the hateful and brutal death of Matthew Shepard. A President who felt compelled to speak out when Pedro Zamora passed away.

Now- for the impeachment 'issue' - if you as a Democrat believed that was something worthy of discussion back then- and believe today that is something worthy of discussion- you will need to find someone else to engage on that 'issue' as for me- I believe it was a personal issue between him and his wife.

Re:

Republican talking points, eh? Using that familiar meme, are we?

Tell me, darlmc, what things that the Clinton administration did wrong can I discuss without being accused of parroting Republican talking points?

And, if I'm parroting Republican talking points, what's Clinton doing when she attacks Obama and sounds just like John McCain and the RNC?

Yeah, I thought so.

Stop with the hypocrisy.

With regard to some of your comments:

Don't Ask, Don't Tell may have been a marginal improvement over pre-existing policy, but when Clinton ran for President, he promised that gays and lesbians would be allowed to serve openly in the military. DADT is definitely not that.

With regard to NAFTA, the number of Americans who have thrived thanks to that trade agreement is small when compared to those who have suffered because of it.

On Somalia, Clinton wasn't responsible for the helicopter being shot down, but he was responsible for the withdrawal of American troops soon thereafter.

On Bin Laden, see 9-11 Commission Final Report

Degradation of Al Gore- I disagree with you. Everybody in the real democratic party, loves Al Gore.

Everybody in the "real Democratic Party," eh? Well, this member of the not-so-real-Democratic-Party-though-it-says-so-on-my-voter-registration, holds the Clintons partially responsible for Al Gore not winning the Presidency in 2000.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

Who are these "real democrats"

And why does someone supporting the DLC say you can't be one of them for learning from the past? Seems a bit ironic, eh?

The Future

Hillary does represent the future. And it looks very good to me and millions of others.

Maybe so

but then somebody needs to tell her surrogates that. At the 10th district rally in Newton today, the Clinton surrogate (whose name I don't recall right now) gave an impassioned speech on how wonderful things were back in the '90's and how we need to get back to "another Clinton administration." Back to the future?

Back to the future

I am sorry that one of her surrogates did not give a speech that resonated with you in a positive way. We have never had a race like this before- a former First Lady running for President. Some people, myself included don't always look to the past with regret. I look at the past with respect to how my future will play out. The lessons I learned from my past have certainly shaped who I am today, and what I will strive for tomorrow.

Obama is absolutely correct

I think Hillary's criticism is a lot of crap, but she'd be nuts not to leap on it. This little kerfluffle is the stuff these campaigns are made of. Is Obama an elitist whose remarks evince disrespect for the hard working people of Pennsylvania? Hell no. But would Hillary be a complete idiot to ignore the opportunity to get a shot in based on his wording? Hell yes. She has to do what she can. Time's a wastin'. And she will probably win a lot of votes on this point.

Though it was not his intent to disparage anyone, Obama's comments could be (are being) construed to reflect disagreement with the "bitterness" of the folks who are riled about immigration. That group includes a lot of Democrats here in NC. That's definitely an advantage for Hillary in an atmosphere in which even die-hard Republicans are balking at the prospect of voting McCain into office.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Obama hisownself said his words were poorly chosen

I personally think there might have been a little bit of playing to his audience in California, but I don't think he was being malicious. I don't really think this little kerfuffle is going to win Hillary that many votes. They're close enough in PA that she might win the state by a little bit more than she would or lose it by a little bit less......but I don't think she wins a lot of votes from it and I don't think it lasts long enough to lose Obama votes in NC.



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yeah he damn well said his words were poorly chosen

because he had to. He recognizes that this is a molehill that will be made into a mountain, and he needs to scramble in this damage-control mode. That's an uncomfortable place to be at this stage of the game.

I think Hendrickson and McCain have been waiting for the chance to append their names (kind of like sirens going off) to a letter that was attached to a specific distinction between Hillary and Barak, and they finally got it.

Clinton supporters are extremely excited about this, with good reason. Barak handed Hillary the perfect mechanism by which to suggest to a LOT of people who are undecided that Obama doesn't like the common folk and that she does.

Also, in Pennsylvania and North Carolina, being agin' guns is no small matter. I'm guessing Clinton will use this speech for all it's worth to suggest that Obama is *more* anti-gun than she is.

Not a dull moment these days . . .

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

I can't see any of the Rs I know

voting for Senator Clinton. Honestly. The Rs who don't like W much (and most of my R associates are in this camp) actually like McCain, and the ones who don't like McCain (the R for religious, 2nd amendment, or anti-other-sorts-of-people reasons) loathe Senator Clinton.

I don't get it, don't pretend to understand why they feel that way, (I like Senator Clinton just fine), but it is what it is and making believe it ain't that way ain't gonna fix her predicament.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Dunt be so sure~

I never thought it conceivable, but I've been following a lot of GOP comments to the effect that they really and truly do hate McCain more than they do Clinton. Her denouncement of Obama's remarks contained a lot of code, in my opinion, that signaled that she will be supportive of the people who felt they were the ones targeted by Obama's remarks.

What this issue is highlighting, I think, is Hillary's argument that she stands a better chance of beating McCain than Obama does. This is not an insignificant argument, and whether it's a sound one or not, the contest is tight enough and close enough to the primary that it's an important "perception" issue to both Democratic candidates.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Oh, no. I'm sure.

You may see those comments about McCain on blogs and such but the Rs I know are more the fiscal Rs, not the cultural Rs and they like McCain.

Hillary is arguing that she stands a better chance of beating McCain? Sure she is. Is that a significant argument? Well, does it matter that she's totally absolutely completely 100% wrong?

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

I dunno, gal

Good point on the fiscal R's. Maybe one of the reasons I have done poorly in the past on prognostications is that I am more in tune with the cultural stuff. But I would like to point out that the comments about McCain I've heard have been from people with whom I am actually acquainted, not bloggers.

I don't know where the hell this circus is going. But, as our friend the caveman would say, this I DO know . . . there doesn't seem to be much room for error as the primaries approach. And we've just seen an strong indication of where the support of Democratic insiders in NC is going (as if we couldn't have guessed). But that, too, will be academic after PA.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Clinton/McCain show that Obama is biggest threat to GOP

S. Belkin at The Celebrity Cafe nails it:

Clinton and McCain are allied in their criticism of recent statements made by Obama.

...Clinton and McCain seized upon the opportunity to criticize Obama for not apologizing for his statements and for being condescending toward “small town America.”
But in a Democratic battle based on which candidate can best beat McCain, it is suspect when the Republican Party takes sides. Surely they would want the candidate to win who poses the lesser threat to a Republican presidency. So this teaming-up of Clinton and McCain against Obama makes the Democratic candidate look even that much more threatening to the Republican Party. And that makes Obama that much more promising.

It's long- but 8 years is a long time

The following is a post I lifted from mydd.com .

As for the back to the future pic- that was cute.

When Senator Obama slams the Clinton Administration, or worse compares them to the Bush Administration, I find it a disconcerting.

I am a Hillary supporter, and every time Senator Obama slams the Clinton Administration it makes it harder and harder from me as a Democrat to consider voting for him if he is to be our nominee in November. Where is the hope and unity of pushing others down to lift yourself up?

From mydd.com

Throughout this campaign, Barack Obama and his supporters have tried to distort and engage in revisionist history when it comes to the legacy of Bill Clinton (On a side note, I thought Obama was running to be a democratic nominee? I'm not sure how this is a message of unity by degenerating the record of the longest serving Democratic President since FDR).

Now I know this may be "bitter" pill to swallow for Obama supporters who think Obama is just the "greatest" because he's so hip and cool and inspiring, but here is a little history lesson for you on what actually occurred during the 1990's under a Clinton Administration.

I'll let the facts speak for themselves:

Edit: Cut and paste text removed by gregflynn.

The original source is the "Accomplishments" page of the Clinton Whitehouse.gov site, copies of which are located at the National Archives and also at Archive.org. You're free to read it all there.

Cutting and pasting 9,555 words in a comment here is just rude.

The Facts of Life

When Senator Obama slams the Clinton Administration, or worse compares them to the Bush Administration, I find it a disconcerting.

But when Sen. Clinton does the same (in comparing Obama to Bush), that's okay, right? That, after all, is the fun part.

I'm looking for a candidate who presents a nuanced version of America's past, present and future. As much as we'd like to convince ourselves otherwise, there is very little in our society that is wholly good or entirely bad, absolutely right or definitely wrong. Being a Democrat doesn't always make you right and being a Republican doesn't always make you wrong (though, I wouldn't be a Democrat if I didn't think that we're more often right than the other side is). There's nothing wrong in acknowledging that...

Bill Clinton accomplished some great things, absolutely. I loved him as President, but there were things that I think that he didn't do well. And, I think, that if you want to embrace the good, you need to be prepared to also acknowledge the bad...those, as they say, are the facts of life.

I am a Hillary supporter, and every time Senator Obama slams the Clinton Administration it makes it harder and harder from me as a Democrat to consider voting for him if he is to be our nominee in November. Where is the hope and unity of pushing others down to lift yourself up?

And I'm not the real Democrat?

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

You will have to answer that question

And I'm not the real Democrat?

I believe there a few things we can agree on based on the comments we have passed back and forth here.

1. We both believe in each of candidate's ability to put forth good policy

2. We both take our Democratic Party label seriously

3. We both are passionate in our support of our candidates

4. Neither of us will be swayed by what each of us has to say regarding our respective candidates

As for my comment:
I am a Hillary supporter, and every time Senator Obama slams the Clinton Administration it makes it harder and harder from me as a Democrat to consider voting for him if he is to be our nominee in November. Where is the hope and unity of pushing others down to lift yourself up?

I am being an honest Democrat, there are others like me, and truth is- if I have to stand alone in pointing out that I am bothered by Senator Obama's constant disparaging comments regarding the Clinton Administration so be it...good news for me- I know there are others who feel exactly the same way I do.

Take care-

Here's one of the things that bother me:

I am being an honest Democrat, there are others like me, and truth is- if I have to stand alone in pointing out that I am bothered by Senator Obama's constant disparaging comments regarding the Clinton Administration so be it...good news for me- I know there are others who feel exactly the same way I do.

I'm finding it increasingly hard to find out (from the MSM as well as blogs) what each candidate actually plans to do once they're elected, because both sides seem to think it's more important to highlight their opponent's shortcomings.

Frankly, I'm beyond tired of it, and so is almost everybody else, except maybe Republicans. I refuse to (once again) be forced to choose the lesser of two evils, and by God I shouldn't have to. I also shouldn't have to go to each of their websites just to find out (positive) things that should be plastered all over the place.

Can I get some sugar on this? Please?

Good question...

I've only been to one event w/ Sen. Obama (F-ville) and two President Clinton events (Pembroke, Laurinburg) and one Sen. Clinton event (F-ville), and I think they all highlighted their respective issues w/o attacking the other. ...well, actually, Sen. Obama did attack during his, come to think of it! Still, he did outline his "positive" plans. So I would certainly encourage you to go to either of their websites and find an event with either three of these individuals and attend, hear it for yourself.

Obviously I can give you more Clinton stuff: You can always go to her www.NCaskme.com site and ask her a question. No promises, but seems like there is a 24-48 turnaround w/ those. I'm sure the Obama supporters can give you suggestions of where to get substantive stuff from their side.

Do you have any issues in particular you're looking for? I'm sure supporters from both sides would be happy to research them for you and promise to be only "positive" about it!!

Here's some sugar for you, sc ...

it's ~25 minutes but it contains specific things regarding labor/economic stuff he intends to get done as Pres.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

I am a Democrat First.

Yes, I am an Obama supporter, but I'm a Democrat first. That's why it wasn't a problem when someone from Cumberland Co. emailed me to find out a good place to have an event for supporters of Hillary Clinton. I'm a Democrat first. That's why if, even if it goes all the way to the convention, and after August, we wind up having Hillary Clinton on the top of the ticket, I will work my tail off for her.

Because when it comes down to it, we need a Democrat in the White House, and while I believe with everything that's in me that Obama would be better than Clinton, I still think we need a Democrat in the White House, if for no other reason than we need a Democrat to appoint the next Supreme Court Justice.

So Yes, I'm for Obama. But I was a Democrat when I first heard of him, and unless something truly drastic happens, I will always be a Democrat.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Pointing at Naked Emperors

What she said.

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"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Thank you Linda!!!!!

We all would do well to follow Linda and at least pledge, publicly, to support whichever of them wins, and to work ourselves to bone-tired weariness to ensure that our victor wins over McBush in November. I hereby pledge that. Maybe if we here on BlueNC could start a fight-for-our-choice-but-support-the-winner-in-advance pledge, it would spread to other blogs. I mean, by god, folks, we have such a great opportunity this year, sadly handed to us on a horribly and unfortunately and avoidably war-blood-stained platter engraved with the names, too, of Katrina victims, and victims of the mortgage meltdown, and the reeling economy. And we've got scandals aplenty to take advantage of and to pledge to clean up, and we've got tax fairness to restore, and health insurance to secure for all, and education to fix, and the list goes on and on, and we all know that either Barack or Hillary will at least try, whereas McBush will just pay lip service. It's so sad for us Dems to beat the hell out of each other, If we have to keep fighting like cats and dogs, or elephants and donkeys, can't we at least pledge to make up when its finally over...I mean, not a truce for now, but a promise of a make-up, at least...Symbolic, sure, but doesn't symbolism count?
bradford

bradford

It Says A Lot

Just having to say it points out what is so different today in party politics, and especially in party primaries. Constantly saying your fellow party primary challenger isn't capable, isn't prepared, and cannot handle the job just instills anger. Then, as the N&O put it, when you "pounce" on a statement for personal advantage, that has to cause one to wonder:

"But the Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters that the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in coming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well." (April 13)

Does she really believe that Barack Obama is elitist and arrogant? How does that kind of statement help the party? How does it help reduce the bitterness that will be taken into the general election?

If a candidate can't get my vote by telling me WHY they should get my vote, instead of telling me how bad their primary opponent would be in the job, then I have to question how I could ever enthusiastically support them.

Sen. Clinton and her staffers do not appear to understand this.

fhblack

More Attacks from the Bitters

this time at the Dome.

I've read a lot about this turn of events and have simply this to say: If America is stupid enough to buy into the Clinton machine's exploitation Obama's unvarnished honesty, then America is stupid enough to deserve another four years of McBush.

Most of them are GOP wackos commenting...

so not really sure they need any attention paid to them anyway.

...and, c'mon, the Clinton campaign is certainly encouraging the story, but the "beast" is doing what is does best/worst. If it wasn't this, it would be something else. The media just can't keep going w/ the same story every day.

I wish the Penn. primary would just get here already so we could stop twiddling our thumbs, waiting for one campaign or another commit some "gaffe."

You're right.

I'm just not liking the beast these days. Got me in a foul mood I'm afraid. But you're right.