A quick coment about the "hostile environment" problem

I noticed comments by moderators concerned about folks being hostile to candidates who come to answer questions at BlueNC.

As I am certainly one of those folks, I'd like to comment on that.

First, I very much appreciate the efforts of the BlueNC moderators in creating and policing this forum. It is, for the most part, a thankless job. BlueNC walks a fine line. It wants to be a "serious" venue in NC politics, but have credibility with the voter. As such, it has to persuade political candidates to participate in the blog, while not seeming to swallow what they say when they spout BS.

This is a very fine difficult path to walk, and all the harder when crude folks such as myself come along and ask pointed questions. Sorry, but that's my job. Not just mine, but all the other bloggers that understand that this task falls to us. The corporate media will not ask hard questions, or do much real reporting. So, bloggers, the dirty freaking hippies of cyberspace are left with the task

And we are accused of being rude, hostile, and arrogant. I'll cop to the first too, but I am greatly amused to be viewed as arrogant by the most arrogant class in America, politicians.

Anyway...

You are right, I, and many others are VERY hostile to many candidates.

Why?

Because I am angry. In fact quite a few people are VERY angry. After the last decade if you are not angry you are not paying attention.

Why are we angry? Because we are tired of seeing the leaders of our party not only destroy this nation, but the planet as well.

You see, this isn't all rhetorical "gotchas" and ego masturbation to me, it is serious. Deadly serious.

4,000+ American soldiers are dead. 20,000+ are physically maimed. Tens of thousands more have been mentally maimed. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians are dead.

What have all these people suffered and died for?

Well, here's the ugly answer to that question:

Nothing. Zip. Nada. Not a damned thing of consequence.

There is no freedom in Iraq. One dictator will eventually be replaced with another. In the meantime, people are being slaughtered by the thousands each month.

We didn't stop a terrorist threat, since none existed. All we have done is create a terrorist threat, and provide scores of recruits for that cause.

We didn't stabilize the Middle East, we de-stabilized it.

But all of this is beside the point. The real question is "Why did we do this?" People on both sides of the issue have lots of answers for this question. Only one answer really matters to me.

We started a war in Iraq because our elected Democratic leaders did not have the moral courage to stand against what they knew was completely wrong.

Instead, they caved to self-interest. They took the "safe" path and joined in the fear-mongering rather than speak against it. They have debased the Constitution rather than defend it. They have accepted torture rather than prosecute it. They have fanned the flames of racism and hatred rather than quench them.

I get lectured quite often about "political reality", "pragmatism" and "how to play the game".

Well, what I just said is reality. My take on pragmatism shows that the few who actually stood against the war have mostly survived and fared well in the political arena. Many of those who supported the war are gone, or going. Anyone seen Tom Daschle lately?

As to "playing games", isn't it about time politicians stopped playing games with peoples lives?

So yes, I am angry. I am hostile. I get very cranky when I hear ANY Democratic politician make sympathetic mewling noises about the poor oppressed corporations, or spouting the latest Karl Rove talking point (Like "people are tired of partisan politics"). I get annoyed at machine politicians who believe the nomination is theirs by divine right. I am appalled by voters who still exhibit a low threshold of skepticism about the words coming out of politician's mouths.

We can vote for people who will actually change things, or the usual suspects. If we vote in the same people, we'll get the same results.

The time has come for us to draw a line on the ground and take a stand. No more compromise, no more backing down, no more touchy-feely expressions of the need for "collegiality" and "bi-partisanship". Stuart Smalley was a satirical comment, not a freakin' role model.

The Republican majority is controlled by people who have a tenuous grip on reality at best. They will cheerfully destroy this nation in order to remake it into their twisted reality. You cannot reason with these people, you cannot work with them. They will never, never stop until they have destroyed all we stand for.

We can fight them, or help them cut our throats.

If our political leadership expects us to stand by while they help Republicans get the best deal on a knife sharpener, damned if I will be polite about it.

Comments

To make it clear

Your comments weren't being addressed when we referred to the hostile environment. If you took it personally, maybe you recognize that you were very close to crossing the line.

While BlueNC belongs to this community, there are some here who have worked very hard since its inception to build it into the forum you find today. We don't mind tough questions. We don't mind anger. We do mind folks coming to our little soirees and wizzing all over the other guests.....ah...so to speak.

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Nope, no offense taken

I didn't take it as personally directed at me, but I do realize I can (and do) come across that way.

Thank you and the other mods for all the hard work you do.

I occasionally need reigning in, and I am good hands with you when my wife's busy.

:)

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I'm glad you wrote this.

And I appreciate the spirit of the post, which is why I front-paged it. I completely share your anger, in all the ways you describe and more.

When someone challenges me for using obscenities, I typically respond with: "You want to know what's obscene? What's obscene is what the Republican Party and the corporatist Democrats who vote along with them have done to a country that used to be a decent place with at least a shred of integrity and moral standing. What's obscene is a bunch of rich old white people patting each other on the back in some secret conference room, deciding that the wealthy in North Carolina should get a tax break while regular people keep sweating on the treadmill as a permanent and growing underclass.

I HATE what is happening around us every day. In Raleigh and in Washington alike. I despise the inbreeding of power and privilege that tramples on citizens day in and day out. I want George W. Bush to be tried and jailed for life for crimes against humanity.

So you can imagine my dismay at finding myself in the role of monitoring decorum. I rationalize it this way.

If we're going to clear some invisible hurdle of respectability, we have to play by "their" rules for awhile. We have to build a foundation of credibility that gives us the platform to call bullshit without being discounted or ignored.

This is why I've toned down my own rhetoric dramatically in recent months. It's why I almost never go the Art Pope Puppetshow websites any more - they feed too much anger, and Lord knows I already have enough.

I think we've actually cleared that invisible hurdle, or come close. And now we have to figure out how to use our strengths. That's one reason I follow-up live sessions with mop-up threads . . . so we can be gracious hosts for guests on their own threads, and then discuss things among ourselves.

I also want us to get better at pushing back effectively. In the old days, I'd call someone an idiot or an asshole at the drop of a hint. Now I'm more likely to say, "I don't believe you" or "That's why you're part of the problem."

With regard to Kay Hagan ... I thought she did a very good job live-blogging, even though I strongly disagree with several of her policy positions. If she somehow wins the primary, I want to be able to work with her to dump Dole. Because no matter how much she leans in the direction of business interests, she's preferable to Dole by a thousand miles.

I know it's a fine line, and like I said, I totally get where you're coming from. Because I'm there, too.

Thanks again for writing this.

That was beautifully said

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Thank you.

I think I've been wanting to say that for a long time.

I am impressed with the

I am impressed with the original post as well as this response.
I think its ok to be angry and I think its ok to ask hard questions of our representatives, or those seeking to represent us.
I am impressed with how the moderating has been handled on the live blogs.
Kay doesn't seem as progressive as many of the people that blog here, however, I am pleased that she didn't pander to a progressive agenda and we walk away with a strong sense of who she is and what she believes.
That's a refreshing change, if you ask me.
J. Levi Knapp

A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices.
William James (1842 - 1910)

Levi

Ailenation

Is all your comments generate.

If I were a politician, and I know your coming at my in a hostile manor, I will defend myself. I will not be amiable to what ever your asking. It does not matter what I think; if it does not meet your desired answer to the T then you will cast me aside as someone sucking up to the other side. Ok, I belief you. Now go away is how I would handle you.

Politicians have to work with the other side. Compromise. This country is represented by two political parties for the most part. There are others, but the majority of people fall into Dems or Repubs. If either side gets full mastery of all the house, senate and pres really bad things will happen for the other side.

Every fight the combatants feel they are right or justified. The same is in politics.

If I was pres, any bill that came to my desk that was voted down party lines, I would veto. Just to make the politicians WORK for the PEOPLE and not the political party.

The time has come for us to draw a line on the ground and take a stand. No more compromise, no more backing down, no more touchy-feely expressions of the need for "collegiality" and "bi-partisanship".

Good grief man, what are you talking about? Your way or the highway?
From the various forms of governments, which would best allow this thought to flourish?

A republic?
A democracy?
A kingdom?
A dictatorship?
Just what form of government has drawing lines and not backing down to fellow countrymen who do not see your point of view as the basic principles for handling different points of view?

What has compromise gotten us over the last 16 years?

The Constitution is in tatters. The economy is heading to the bottom like the Titanic. The gulf between rich and poor is staggering. Our international reputation is disgraced. We have acted as a poster child for terrorist recruitment. We LOST an entire city to incompetence. Tax-payer paid mercenaries frolic in Iraq, killing with impunity. Our energy situation is about to go supercritical. Health care deteriorates while insurance companies and Big Pharma rake in record profits. Our manufacturing base has vanished, the jobs now in China, India, and Vietnam.

I could go, but I think I have made my point.

In case it missed your notice. I am not currying favor with politicians. They are currying favor (my vote) with me. The arrogance of the two party system allows folks like Hagan to know that if they get past the primary, I have to vote for them as the lesser of two evils.

The lesser choice of two evils, is still evil.

Sorry, I do not worship at the altar of "compromise" when ethical principle is at stake.
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Powerful image

We LOST an entire city to incompetence.

... not to terrorist attack, but to a deadly combination of poverty, neglect, and incompetence.

Well said.

And let me tell you an ugly little suspicion

I think that if we ever get Bush out of office, and we ever get Democrats with spines to investigate what happened in NOLA, we will discover the death was much higher, but was suppressed since it was possibly higher than 9/11.

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Compromise is a tricky thing

There are times when compromise means the wrong decision is made. There are other times when compromise gets you closer to the correct decision.

I would hesitate to use the Iraq war as an example of compromise. In my view, that was surrender. Compromise would have been somethign else...maybe a re-written act that placed limits on the invasion, set goals for occupation by the congress, and/or set specific rules and extensions to looking for the non-existant WMDs. I think any of those things, if they were specifically spelled out by Congress would have put us in a better spot now. Instead the Dems in Washington didn't stand up and put any limits on the President. If they had, even if we would have ultimately made the wrong decision to invade, maybe we could have not lost 5 years fiddling our thumbs trying to figure out how to rebuild the country we broke.

But I would stress to keep in mind that we truly won't make any progress if we draw lines in the sand at this point, and shut our ears. The right wing has this mentality. I listen to the talk radio shows from time to time to get a judge on their current mental state, and I continue to be surprised at how often they all state that compromise is the enemy. Compromise means that the Democrats win in their eyes, that the "left wing" media has their way with you. Please, lets not become the flip side of that coin. The Dems biggest strength is their ability to listen to many different sides of their big tent. It gives them greater leeway to find the best choice.

Compromise always means

There are times when compromise means the wrong decision is made. There are other times when compromise gets you closer to the correct decision.

Depending on how strong you feel about the intended action being compromised.

But I would stress to keep in mind that we truly won't make any progress if we draw lines in the sand at this point, and shut our ears.

Sweet, ooo sooo sweet. You meet someone part way and you will get a chance to meet again.

The Dem way is not the right way. The repub way is not the right way. Somewhere between the two is were the country has to live.

Fight the fights worth fighting.

If we go to drawing lines then we will be see-sawing between ideologies every time the political parties change control in Washington. No stability for anyone.

Believe it or not

I don't think it is a bad thing, except for how it if practiced by the Dems.

I have been in the middle of making a law, and I had to compromise on some issues to get it passed (NC e-voting law).

HOWEVER, I had a core set of principles and conditions that were NOT open to compromise. In my case, under no circumstance would the law allow for paperless ballots.

There was lots of screaming and hollering from the opposition about this. But I, and my supporters would not budge.

I also wanted to outlaw touchscreen voting machines all together, but knew this wouldn't fly. When we started off, that condition was included as part of the package. But, as I knew it wasn't feasible, I exchanged it for concessions from the other sides to critical, non-negotiable issues.

In the end, we came up with a law most everyone was happy with (passed both chambers of the GA unanimously).

THAT is how compromise works.

As practiced by the Democrats, Republicans make a demand, and Democrats fold completely.

They did this on the war, war funding, torture, the Patriot Act (both versions), taxes, Alito, Roberts, filibustering, and dozens of other issues.

We cannot cede another inch to the Republicans at this point. To do so is to destroy this republic utterly.

This is what I mean by "take a stand"

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I adore Stuart Smalley

No wonder I think Jerimee can do no wrong~

(ok, that might be stretching it, but we'll see)

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

You have to admit

it was a good line, "ego-masturbating-wise" [snicker]

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I think you can still ask pointed questions, and expect answers

without being hostile. A good example of that is the way Pam Spaulding asks her questions regarding the LGBT issues. She has facts and asks questions in a forthright way. And Kosh, I'm not commenting on your questions, because frankly, I don't remember any of yours. I think it's okay to express anger about the war, the economy, and whatever else, but for the most part, the candidates that live-blog here have not had much to do with those situations, so venting on them won't do you much good.

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Politicians are used to being treated

with deference by a media completely devoid of spine.

I think it is about time our elected leaders (and candidates for election) had there bloody feet held to the fire by the voters. So far, bloggers are the only people breaking out the barbecue sauce and kindling wood.

The job of representative/senator pays over $170,000 a year, comes with millions in perks like the most generous health care and retirement benefits our tax dollars can buy, as well as a budget for a staff to cater to most every whim.

After they leave office, an even more lucrative recompense awaits them on K Street, on TOP of the tax-payer financed gravy train.

While there is certainly a lot of tediousness, boredom, and aggravation in the job, as well as some occasional work that doesn't involve fund raising, it is a damn sight better job than 90% of us have, toiling away for a salary that rarely sees a raise, insurance (if we can afford it) that pays for less every year, and a retirement fund that we may enjoy, provided the company we work for didn't squander it in the stock market.

Yeah, for this, I think they can take a little heat.

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Argh! Lost a long comment.

Long and short of it, I agree that we need to be respectful but that we also need to challenge the candidates.

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Since I have been burned on occasion as well

by software forays into the Twilight Zone, I have started copying my long posts as I type into Notepad.

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Oh, I forgot

Pam did an EXCELLENT job framing her question, and following up.

But then, look at the answer she got. So, I get to play bad cop to her good cop, and spell out the dodge in unflattering terms.

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thanks, Linda

I think that civility, facts, and framing are extremely important, particularly in a liveblog situation. A snarky shot across the bow that can easily be dismissed by the candidate doesn't add to the political dialogue. It may work in the rough and tumble of an average thread where people are used to online banter and give and take, but these liveblog situations have a different purpose.

While I support Jim Neal, there is no reason to show disrespect to Sen. Hagan; the purpose of the live blog IMHO (or an offline town hall for that matter) is to pose questions that are relevant and specific enough that 1) they are answered, 2) the candidate's answer can then be evaluated as informed, responsive -- or evasive.

You want to avoid a hostile environment in a medium that is still finding its way (liveblogs), I believe it is something that needs to be addressed and handled promptly. It's necessary to do so for community blogs to gain additional legitimacy as a player in the political process, and to encourage elected officials and candidates that may be skittish about "new media." Kudos to Betsy and James and everyone for the management of a difficult situation.

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Thanks, Pam

That's pretty much how I see it. Thank you for the question. I was trying to bring them over in the order asked, but new questions were asked before I could bring the other thread over. That's part of the reason why it looks like some questions were skipped. It's not that they were skipped, but that the campaign had been busy answering questions that had been up throughout the day in the order they were posted.

Thank you for always being thoughtful in what you say and measured in how you say it. You are a calming presence and I appreciate your participation in this community.



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As I have mentioned

It's a tough job running this board.

Civility has its place and I do, believe it or not, I start out very nice and polite when I deal with politicians and bureaucrats. Most of the time it works.

However, once they demonstrate that they are impervious to logic, the gloves come off.

The Right has been so successful over the years by making life a living Hell for candidates who displease them.

While I draw the line at many of the tactics used by the right to enforce discipline (blackmail, lying, slander, etc) I have no qualm about beating them silly with logic, analogies and by underscoring and ridiculing their ignorance.

If nothing else, it makes them appreciate folks like you. :)

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Pressure, perhaps.

but hostility? I don't think that's something that we should encourage at BlueNC. There were a few questions that Kay Hagan didn't completely answer, so I intend on emailing her and her communications person to see if I can get further details on her position. Not all candidates are as forthcoming as you are, Marshall.

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So far, my experience is that questions

She doesn't want to answer are ignored.

In my opinion, Hagan thinks she can simply brazen it out until May, when the Raleigh Machine will deliver the nomination.

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Kaye iqnoring questions was telling.....

Particularly when one takes note of the questions she iqnored.
That part was unfortunate.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

I'm disappointed in you, Marshall

Kay answered more questions in an hour than just about anyone else who's live-blogged here. If we hadn't had issues with sock puppets and people hostile to Kay taking over her original thread we wouldn't have had to start a new one. You had a chance to see your questions up front and you started answering them in the order they were given. Kay did the same thing, only when we started the new thread people jumped on before I could transfer all the questions and started asking different questions. It was smart for her to go ahead and answer questions for which she had already prepared answers. She didn't intentionally dodge questions the way you are implying.

I am disgusted.



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I'm disgusted too.

I'm disgusted that she still supports immunity for telecoms and forever hiding the truth of what the Bush administration did.

I'm disgusted that she supports corporate welfare for Duke Power and passing the cost of new coal plants in South Carolina, Tennessee, or elsewhere on to North Carolina citizens.

I'm disgusted that she WROTE the Senate budget that cut aid to the blind and elderly while at the same time giving tax cuts to corporations and those making over $250,000.

I'm disgusted that just because she came and gave a few pat-sounding answsers that suddenly all is forgiven.

Her record clearly shows that she puts profits before people. Who's in blogger love now?

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Not all is forgiven

Trust me.

I'm just not willing to turn a blind eye to Jim Neal's shortcomings and I'm not going to let others accuse Kay Hagan of ignoring questions when Jim Neal didn't exactly answer a huge percentage of his either.

I admit to being very impressed with Kay Hagan just like I admitted to being impressed with Jim Neal initially. Time will tell how impressed I remain with either of them.



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She answered a lot of questions, probably more than...

the Gubernatorial candidates. But, I also think it would be wrong to think she answered the tough ones, she didn't. Other than FISA, where her answer was an affirmation of allowing immunity for Bush and the telecoms.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Perhaps I am too focused Betsy

It was not my intent to demean the answers she gave, but because I tend to zero in on issues with potential Constitutional impact, I may have overlooked some of Kayes other responses.

As I mentioned before, I know that it takes some guts to even allow yourself to be put in a Live Blog situation. No matter what one does, the critics will pile on. Perhaps I seemed to be to heavy handed in Kayes case, but it was not my intention to come off that way.

I am usually shy to criticize excessivly because I believe that to be the easy path. Anyone can do it..., takes no talent, no education, little understanding, or no knowledge of an issue.
I am not the highbrow you may percieve.

Kaye and I actually do like each other and share many common bonds.

I do however hope you did not mean "disgusted". I hold your opinion in very high regard.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

In this particular venue

I don't think I can assume she ignored questions deliberately, since time was a factor.

I'll give her the benefit of a doubt.

My reference to "ignoring questions" is outside the venue, when she is emailed pointed questions by constituents, bloggers and even reporters that are never answered.

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Kosh

why don't you go back through all our live-blogs and see if anyone else ever answered every single question. Check Jim Neal's live-blog and see if he even got tough questions. The only person he had on the thread who wasn't in blogger love with Jim Neal asked him about sexual preference. Otherwise, Neal had it easy. Go ahead. I'm waiting. He left A LOT of questions unanswered and the few answers he gave on issues were very thin on substance.

In my opinion, you haven't done enough research on live-blogs here at BlueNC to make informed comments about our live-blogs and who did or did not answer enough questions.



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Actually, I am on that

When I sat down to go over Sen. Hagan's remarks, it was obvious that to be fair, I would have to go over Jim Neal's. While I have a bias, I will strive to be critical of lapses on his part, as it is only fair (I have been critical of his running from the term "liberal").

An annoying things politicians do is answer questions not asked. They will give a non-answer to an asked question, then digress to make a point nobody is interested in, but makes them look good.

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apples and oranges, in campaign time

While I certainly agree that there is a big difference in the nature of questions and answers in the Neal and Hagan liveblogs, I think it's important to note that Neal's live blog was in October of 2007, just after he'd declared his candidacy. Hagan hadn't even been drafted yet (because the admission that he was gay was what prompted Schumer's nudge). I think that it's specious at best to take that "introduction" liveblog at the very beginning of Neal's campaign and compare it on a one-to-one basis with Hagan's liveblog that comes just over a month before the primaries.

I'm not saying that Neal deserves a free ride, or that Hagan doesn't deserve credit for the questions she answered. What I'm saying is that the purpose of the two sessions was very different, and it doesn't make sense to compare them as though they were meant to accomplish the same thing. One would hope that Neal's positions had evolved over the course of his campaign - he's visited 70some NC counties, met his constituency, heard from people in person and in sessions like that liveblog what matters to us.

I would imagine that Hagan's positions have also developed since October of last year. Indeed, like Neal's, her candidacy continues to grow as she comes under scrutiny from voters. Her answer on SCHIP in the liveblog, for instance, reflects far more nuance than her previous attempts to discuss the subject, and I suspect that is an indication that she has had to develop this position in response to some difficult questions along the campaign trail.

This growth and development is part of why sessions like Neal's and Hagan's are important. Contact with the voters should result in a refinement of their positions, if they are working to prove their ability to represent North Carolinians. While it is vital that we know where the candidates' values lie, and what their general stands are on the issues, I think it is also important to take into account the "life cycle" of a campaign when evaluating any particular moment or statement from a candidate.

If this were true,

In my opinion, Hagan thinks she can simply brazen it out until May, when the Raleigh Machine will deliver the nomination.

she would not have shown up here at all.

Kay has taken some serious heat from people here at BlueNC (including me), and doing this live blog session was bound to be more of the same.

Kosh, many of your complaints about politicians are righteous and shared by the bulk of BlueNC'ers. But understand this: there are many blogs and messageboards and Yahoo groups where one or two "tell it like it is" folks practiced their rudeness to the point where they ran off everybody except a handful of gossipers. You'll see them pop up from time to time, literally begging for people to come visit their "exciting" website.

There's a balance. You can't communicate with someone when you're constantly yelling in their face, and you damned sure can't change their mind that way either.

As I pointed out

It is certainly admirable that Sen. Hagan came here, it should also be noted that so far she has ducked other debates, and has refused to take questions in other venues with Neal on the stage. This is why I have the opinion I do.

As rough as the questions are here, she got to see them in advance, and prepare here answers. While hard in one way, it is also easy in another.

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That would be a mischaracterization.

This is the debate that she missed the deadline for and was then attacked for ducking by the Neal campaign. She then rewrote the entire rules of the debate, turning it into more of a forum from what I understand (video to come?) and said it was her way or she was not participating.

THAT is part of the problem.

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Ah

I wasn't aware of those details. Thanks, Robert.

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WANNA BUY A NUKE?

Hey North Carolina . . .

Wanna BUY an old obsolete nuclear power plant? YES? OK, then, just VOTE for Obama.
The nuke industry is planning to build 29 new nukes. ONE of them in North Carolina.

(See Map at NY Times LINK: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/31/washington/31nuclear.html?_r=1&oref=slogin )

Excelon Corp, (largest nuke operator on the planet) headquartered in Illinois, has been one of Obama’s largest contributors ever since he first ran for office.

Obama voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill of 2005 (H.R. 6) - which ENABLED the nuke industry to start planning to build nukes. (No new nukes have been built for the past 30 years because the banks would not loan the money - too risky.)

The Cheney Energy Bill solved that problem for them by GUARANTEEING Taxpayer PAYBACK of any of the nukes loans that default (The Congressional Budget Office rated the risk of default on the nuke loans at 50% or greater).

Here’s the kicker: Obama has been getting BILLIONS of Dollars worth of FREE Sales PROMOTION -Campaign HELP- From: NBC & MSNBC, and CBS … because GE owns NBC/MSNBC and Westinghouse owns CBS.

(If you check on the NY Times MAP you will see that GE & Westinghouse are planning to build the reactors at most of the planned nuke sites.)

That’s the reason WHY the media has been rabidly PUSHING to SELL you an Obama & slamming and smearing the Clintons on TV everyday.

COPY & PASTE and Pass the Word to everybody on your email list and to any blogs, TV, Radio, newspapers you can.
p.s. McCain is pro-nuke too & voted FOR the Cheney energy bill.

“GOING FROM COAL TO NUCLEAR IS LIKE GIVING UP CIGARETTES TO TAKE UP SMOKING CRACK”.
We Need NEW Clean Renewable CHEAPER DE-Centralized, off the Grid, NON-Monopoly energy.

I agree. Posts like that one...

make people automatically assume any criticism of Obama about his energy policy is spam. That isn't helping anyone.

Civility and Anger

This post by Kosh got to the center of all I see in Bluenc's birth, growth and potential. I started reading the site precisely BECAUSE of the anger displayed. It paralleled my own. It made me hopeful that enough people in the state were angry about all that was happening around them. A day doesn't go by that some headline either on-line or in-print doesn't make me want to shout at the bastards who make the rules, break the rules and then press harder with the boots stomped firmly on our necks. But I know, short of an armed revolution, that anger won't get the predominant TYPE of person who enters politics to listen to me. I've been on the inside and it isn't pretty. I tried to reason and say that just by bringing up my perspective from time to time that it made a difference. I'm not sure it did. Same in my time helping the cause of corporate America.

So, when I noticed the tenor changing, I at first didn't like it. Anger feels good. But the pragmatic voice inside, the one that got me through the night while in the belly of the beast, took over. And I smiled. I said, "You know, greg, once the site has a voice with people who run the system, maybe it can make a difference."

And that's where I stand now. One person, who reads but rarely writes, saying thank you for chancing the bluenc journey and making it up as you go along to try to get it right. good luck.

You should write more, Greg.

I tried to reason and say that just by bringing up my perspective from time to time that it made a difference.

It always makes a difference, although it may not always be apparent. People read what you write, and it causes them to think. They may disagree with you completely, but their brain has stored that information regardless, and it will have some sort of impact on future judgments.

Thanks, Greg

It isn't always pretty and it isn't always easy, but at the end of the day it is a lot of fun. Glad you're here.



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Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Fear, Frustration, Sence of urgency, Anxiety, all here...but

I have rarely ever seen real hostility here.

I have participated in just about every live blog (not all) BlueNC has hosted. On those occassions I never saw real hostility.

Lots of ranting....A little raging...but not hostility.

The overall demeanor of those who are regulars here is more than civilized. ...

Passionate, but not hostile.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Dude, are you serious?

"The Republican majority is controlled by people who have a tenuous grip on reality at best. They will cheerfully destroy this nation in order to remake it into their twisted reality. You cannot reason with these people, you cannot work with them. They will never, never stop until they have destroyed all we stand for."

What separates your rhetoric from that of Rush and Hannity and other right-wing big mouths?

In a word, nothing.

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