Open Thread - "That One" Edition

What is up with John McCain referring to Barack Obama as "That one?" I imagine it is part of the whole, "he's dangerous" narrative the McCain campaign has going. I don't think it worked too well for him.

Check out how quickly some folks get to work. I'm buying one of these shirts.

Here's your Wednesday open thread.



What a creepy old man.

I kept forgetting I wasn't in a room full of people and was yelling at the screen, "be quiet, grandpa!, I want to hear that one, talk".

At one point during the debate, MSNBC's camera's caught McOld walking around making faces while Obama was talking. What a creep.


I thought it was just an innocuous comment that people are blowing out of proportion out of the need to have something to talk about besides the details of the issues. I'd rather see a T-shirt about veterans affairs, about the environment, about creating solvency in our economy. But, in politics, I suppose the game is to pick up on things like this for the easy "hit."

I think we have to ask ourselves: What do we expect from a debate? If it's to see "our guy" win, then I think that misses the point. For one thing, debates are always about the undecideds...I've heard many people say, "Oh, they all said the same thing!" Well, that's because you've been paying attention for the past eleventy-billion months, but the people who will essentially decide this have not.

What I expect from a debate, and I know it's a pipe dream, is a conversation that elevates the public discourse on national issues. I have to say, while it may not be THAT exciting, the two presidential debates have been largely professional and cordial. I saw that Drudge had the headline today "BORING," but, I'm sorry, this is real life, and not everything is about the horserace.

There was a little more give-and-take in this debate, which is good. However, what I think is a great failure of the media is that we hear all these numbers and claims during the debate but there is rarely a follow-up to what was said. I mean, c'mon, they can't BOTH be right, when they directly say the other person is wrong. Let's call the candidates on what they say. To use an over-used phrase, let's get some 'straight talk.' I know, as a Democrat, I have nothing to fear from the truth. But that's not going to happen, b/c the media just wants someone to say something stupid, or attack the other person, or trip up, or commit a "gaffe." God forbid we actually care about the issues and talk about them and closely compare the two candidates.

I've always been impressed with Sen. Obama's call for "a new kind of politics." To me, that means raising the bar for our public discourse. We actually help educate the voter and lift them up as an informed citizen. One of these days, maybe it'll actually happen...

Phillip Hunter Gilfus,
Member(NC), Democratic National Committee

I pointed out McCain's wandering and facemaking

because I believe it says a lot about the character of a man who wants to be president of our country. Imagine him doing that behind the back of Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper. It wasn't just snark.

Also, going inside the issues. Buying up mortgages? McCain wants to buy up bad mortgages?

  1. I thought that's sort of what happened with the "bailout"
  2. Isn't that kind of nationalize/federalizing of debt the sort of thing that doesn't bother people to the left of say, ME, but might get up the nose of people who support say, MCCAIN?

What's up with that?

I thought McCain was all over the map. I thought his tone was condescending towards the audience, his opponent, and Tom Brokaw. He definitely proved himself to be a snickering golfcart type - we see them all the time in Pinehurst. They're what happens when snickering frat boys grow up. We've had eight years of snickering frat boy as president. We don't need any years of snickering golfcart type.

Grumpy Old Man

I disagree with Philip. All candidates promise crap they can't deliver. They aren't emperor, they are President of a system with a Senate, House, and Judiciary. What I want to see is what kind of leader they will be, think back to when Bill Clinton was losing to George Bush. He wasn't desperate, he was passionate. He connected with the people and that is how he won. On the other hand, look at what George W. Bush did. Fear-mongering, lying. That foretold the kind of President he would become. So, what kind of President will John McCain become. A crazy, old, coot of a mean one.

John McCain looks like a guy whose head you can barely see over the steering wheel...looks like the guy who thinks the nurses are stealing his stuff. 'Dad, why would they take your socks? It doesn't make sense.' Letterman

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

McCain was abominable

From my pad:

It was tiresome to listen to McCain lie so boldly about so many things, as if the man could distance himself from his own record in Washington. Also, folks in the chat room last night were getting "virtually drunk" with the beer icon, throwing back one every time he said "my friends" (19).

If you think about this debate from the POV of the undecided voter (it's hard to believe there are any left at this point, given the gulf in policy positions of the two), McCain looked tired, stiff, pissy, out of touch. He ambled around the stage the whole evening, cracking jokes so lame that they passed by unnoticed by people. And the whole "that one" nonsense had to make people out there wonder if the man is simply unbalanced and incapable of tact when under the gun.

And heaven forbid if you were watching CSPAN, which didn't cut away after the town hall was over. While Barack and Michelle Obama were mingling and talking to audience members for a good long time, John and Cindy McCain immediately high-tailed it out of the venue once traditional news channels moved on to the talking heads. McCain was apparently not willing to glad hand and make the sale to those voters who attended. He only reinforced his nasty reputation. Great move!

One of my readers seized the moment and took to the mouse to produce some nifty Obama graphics featuring the phrase, including this one:

The right wing is losing its cookies over Grampy’s new bailout proposal, btw. Read the Michelle Malkin meltdown and Freeper head explosions over at my place. I also blogged about Palin's rally in Greenville.

Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend

Pam Spaulding
Durham, NC USA

Pam's House Blend

Chilling déjà vu...

My dad was struck with Alzheimer's when he was not much older than McCain. People's names were the first thing he lost, and very often when he got mad at someone (me, my mom, someone on television, etc.), as he was trying to describe his outrage, he would point at the person in question and say, "That one."

I kid you not, when McCain said that last night it kind of freaked me out. I've seen some other things here and there over the last year or so that made me wonder, like him misusing words in his impromptu speeches and noticeable mood-swings, but last night it clicked. He's showing early stages of dementia, folks. I know that sounds ageist for me to say it, but I've seen it and lived it firsthand.

More Signs of McNugget's Dementia Onset?

I too think it entirely plausible that McNugget's "that one" comment is a red flag for cognitive problems.

I also think it could be more code for not quite under-the-radar racist appeals. I recall his saying something about Obama having a "secret" last night. "That one" caught my attention, too.

Only the most deluded of us could doubt the necessity of this war. - John McCain

That one = child

I thought everyone made the same connection i did. I've known several southern ladies who would use "That One" in the same tone when talking about misbehaving children.

John McCain looks like a guy whose head you can barely see over the steering wheel...looks like the guy who thinks the nurses are stealing his stuff. 'Dad, why would they take your socks? It doesn't make sense.' Letterman

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

The word "Creepy" keeps popping up

Not just here, but at my favorite women's boutique, where the gals all agreed that McCain just came off really, really creeeeepy. And one of them even echoed Greg's observation (I think it was Greg) that there was a Gollum-like quality to McCains utterances of "my friends." Creeeeeeepy.

But pleasing to witness. Another gal said that she thought Obama looked very tired. Yes, he did, but more than tired, he looked TALL and towered over the creepy Gollum-like guy.

McCain seems also to have adopted a hunching motion that didn't help matters at all. One wonders whether he was hunching in response to some discomfort or whether he has always hunched and we just haven't noticed. He really looked unwell, as though he could check out any moment and make way for President Palin.

That One '08 bumper sticker

My brother did this, 100% of the money is going to the campaign:

“We are the party of Roosevelt. We are the party of Kennedy. So don't tell me that Democrats won't defend this country. Don't tell me that Democrats won't keep us safe.” ~ Barack Obama

I just ordered some

And I'd like to have ordered one of the shirts that Betsy pointed out, but I find that I never actually wear these kinds of shirt. A big ole BUTTON would be great!

Oh dear

Ha! I just posted that!

on the front page with an entire paragraph of commentary. heh

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

"Oh, Dear" is right.


Only the most deluded of us could doubt the necessity of this war. - John McCain