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Debate in NC

We should organize a campaign to get Clinton to say yes:

Obama-Clinton debate in NC awaits her OK
The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Democratic Sen. Barack Obama has agreed to debate Sen. Hillary Clinton in North Carolina on April 19, his campaign said.

However, CBS News said today it was awaiting word on whether Clinton would take part.

North Carolina has 115 delegates up for grabs in its May 6 primary.

Meanwhile, Clinton and Obama plan to debate in Philadelphia next month before Pennsylvania’s primary, their presidential campaigns said Thursday.

ABC News will host the Philadelphia debate on a date still to be determined. Pennsylvania voters go to the polls April 22 for the primary, a contest with 158 delegates at stake.

The contenders have debated 20 times during the presidential campaign.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

i notice

that the obama campaign is attempting to cast clinton as someone who does not care about the state: a stenographer at the charlotte observer essentially planted an article that reproduced a conversation during one of his conference calls today wherein gibbs, his spokesman, claimed hillary would abandon the state during the general election, and now he calls for a debate only weeks after he refused to debate hillary in wisconsin. i guess he realizes that he has to win nc in order to offset hillary's leads in other states. and while it is a shrewd campaign strategy, i find it somewhat disingenuous, for hillary and not obama is the one who has asked for more debates. moreover, he requested this debate only after hillary agreed to the debate in PA. because he announced this desire for a debate this evening, i imagine it will take an hour or two for the clinton campaign to respond. but notice how he is broaching his campaign in nc in a manner similar to the one he deployed in mississippi, where he claimed hillary disparaged the state for not electing women. while it may be effective with some segments of the population, i find it negative, divisive and misleading.

Huh?

The Charlotte Observer planted an article? It's not a conspiracy, it's what Harold Ickes said. Are you denying he said that, as you're denying what Hillary said about Mississippi not electing women?

I agree that Obama's suggestion of this debate is political strategy--she can't really say no, can she?--but I don't find it to be negative, divisive or misleading.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

he never mentioned

north carolina. the obama campaign interpolated nc into his statement, when he in fact was referring to utah and alaska. this is why it is so much stenography, as the reporter did not even bother to contact the clinton campaign.

Actually

Could you cite your evidence?

Because here's what Harold Ickes said (per the NY Times):

"Most of those states haven't voted Democratic in a presidential since the Johnson landslide over Goldwater in 1964, and we don’t see that changing. They're great states, but Idaho, Nebraska and the Carolinas are not going to be in the Democratic column in November. He's winning the Democratic process, but that is virtually irrelevant to the general election."

Aren't we one-half of "the Carolinas?"

And here's what Howard Wolfson said (h/t Under the Dome):

Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communications director, left out North Carolina when asked to name the states where Clinton could do well.

"I think Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Puerto Rico are all states we believe we have a good chance to do well in," Wolfson said in a teleconference, Rob Christensen reports.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

North Carolina

was not specifically mentioned. And besides, the NC primary has not yet occurred. But I understand why the Obama campaign has to exploit this statement for what it is worth. AGain, it is the same strategy they employed in Mississippi. It is, moreover, misleading, divisive and disingenuous. So much for the new politics of hope.

Wait...

...so when Harold Ickes says Carolinas he doesn't mean North and South Carolina? I thought plural meant more than one.

I'll freely admit that the Obama camp is spinning this in their favor, but this is what's coming from the Clinton campaign. Harold Ickes and Howard Wolfson said those things, Hillary Clinton said those things to the Des Moines Register. You may not like that Robert Gibbs (woohoo NCSU alum!) is spinning them to earn Obama favor, but it is what they said. If we're somehow being misled, their campaign should issue a release clarifying those remarks, as Clinton did while she was in Mississippi.

Oh, and I get that the primary has not yet occurred--what with me and my family being registered voters here, I kinda knew that--but neither have Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, Pennsylvania and Puerto Rico and yet Howard Wolfson took care to mention them.

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

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There are people in every time and every land who want to stop history in its tracks. They fear the future, mistrust the present, and invoke the security of the comfortable past which, in fact, never existed. - Robert F. Kennedy

Carolina on my mind

Since the Clinton campaign has taken to denying things that were actually said and recorded in press conferences it is understandable that they would deny anything.

Here we have Mark Penn making absurd statements about Pennsylvania.

Is there a third Carolina that we don't know about?

um, charlotteobserver...

is that all you do is spout clinton campain talking points...?

MORE debates

I would very much like to see a debate in North Carolina for pride and attention's sake. (Wasn't the last debate here one of the general election debates in 2000; wasn’t it at Wake Forest?) But North Carolina pride and attention don't do anyone else in the rest of the country any good if Barack and Hillary are just rehashing the same issue positions that everyone who has watched one debate already knows about.

And there have been so many debates in this primary; I feel like they're approaching saturation and irrelevance. I want to see a debate largely dedicated to less discussed issues like foreign policy other than Iraq, Afghanistan, or Pakistan; federal workforce reform; drug policy; prison policy; or homelessness.

We all know there has been a lot of useless talk and accusations about who has and lacks the commander-in-chief chops. I want to see them both get pressed and forced to talk on their feet about issues like NATO enlargement, the simmering Serbia/Kosovo crisis, or China/Taiwan policy. It was absolutely pitiful when Hillary Clinton haughtily brushed off "Dmitri Medvedev" and largely got away with it.

If this turns out to be another debate about Iraq and health care nuances with your occasional "zinger" personal attack, I don't think it will be worth watching.

I'd like to see a debate in NC as well -

but on April 19th - the same day that every county in the state is holding their convention?

Hmm.

I want to see the primary source on this one.

Edited to add - if it happens, how do I get to be in the audience??

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That's classic, Frank. :)

Hillary! She's female!

Jerimee, can you make one that says

McCain....the Democrats Favorite Republican...?

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No...McCain!

Is McCrory the dems favorite?

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why?

oh. oops.

Why is McCain the Democrats favorite Republican? I don't get it. Momo I think you've outwitted me (not that it is hard to do).

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on the bright side...

at least this firestorm will get the word out that obama's not muslim...? =)

Has anyone heard from Lance?

Hope he and his family came through the Atlanta storms safely.

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Thanks, Mo!

I'm fine. Arica and Sophia are at a friend's birthday party in Charlotte this weekend, and our neighborhood didn't see any real damage, anyway. I did take the camera out to Cabbagetown and Downtown and posted a few Atlanta tornado damage pictures.

I went up to Gainesville this morning to help my dad clean out the garage only to end up hiding in the basement there when the sirens started going off. I was watching the news the whole time (bear in mind that I've been largely TV-free for years) and was amazed that they were able to give such accurate information about where the storms were and where they were headed -- they even were able to say for sure when there was a tornado before any eye-witness could call it in. I'm sure that technology saved a number of lives.

Wait, how did anyone in NC even hear about the tornadoes through all the bball coverage?

Clinton surrogate at YDNC convention

I see where Clinton mouthpiece James Carville is speaking at the YDNC convention in a couple of weeks. Anybody going to be there handing out Obama stickers or buttons?

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Briscoe Darling to Sheriff Andy

good luck finding obama stickers and buttons

I've ordered 500 of them 5 weeks ago and they still haven't shipped.