Open thread: Albatross edition

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John McBush gets the kiss of death from the Decider. That is just plain gross.


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I read St. John's book a few years back. McCain was for staying in Vietnam back in the day and he's still angry that we left. He's for staying in Iraq today -- for a hundred years, even. Brilliant. I get a mental picture of America in a hundred years if troops really are still manning check points and protecting dignitaries in Iraq: 90% of our national budget will go to the Pentagon and/or Blackwater and the other 10% will go to pay the Federal electric bill and the VP and jr Senators will be responsible for emptying the trash, vacuuming the floors and cleaning the WH bathrooms on weekends because we won't be able to pay somebody else to do it. Brilliant, I tell ya'. What better way to kill the Federal gov't than to make it go broke by waging a 100 years war?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."


Anyone know if any of this is true?

In 1933, group of wealthy businessmen that allegedly included the heads of Chase Bank, GM, Goodyear, Standard Oil, the DuPont family and Senator Prescott Bush tried to recruit Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler to lead a military coup against President FDR and install a dictatorship in the United States. And yes, we're talking about the same Prescott Bush who fathered one US President and grandfathered another one.

A good rule of thumb: never trust a man named Smedley to run your hostile military coup for you. Smedley Butler was both a patriot and a vocal FDR supporter. Apparently none of these criminal masterminds noticed that their prospective point man had actively stumped for FDR in 1932.

Smedley spilled the beans to a congressional committee in 1934. Everyone he accused of being a conspirator vehemently denied it, and none of them were brought up on criminal charges. Still, the House McCormack-Dickstein Committee did at least acknowledge the existence of the conspiracy, which ended up never getting past the initial planning stages.

Though many of the people who had allegedly backed the Business Plot also maintained financial ties with Nazi Germany up through America's entry into World War II. But at least the United States never ended up becoming a fascist dictatorship (unless you ask Ron Paul supporters).

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The GOP will try to suppress the vote in 2008.

That's down right frightening.

But it looks like 70 years later, his grandson just about made it happen, eh?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Yep. Interesting program.

I'm listening to it now.

Of course I'm crazy, I'm a blogger. What's your excuse?

Of course I'm crazy, I'm a blogger. What's your excuse?

Traditional media sources were owned

by Bush friends and coconspirators when father and son ran for office. Lots of stuff didn't get "more widely known."
News of the 10th district: See Pat Go Bye Bye,

Neglecting the National Voter Registration Act

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This situation is contributing to the low rates of registration among low-income Americans. As Project Vote documented in a September 2007 report on registration and voting rates in America, only 60 percent low-income Americans are registered to vote compared to 81 percent for upper-income Americans. If low-income Americans were registered to vote at the same rate as affluent voters, there would have been an additional 7 million voters on the rolls in the 2006 elections.

For information on Project Vote’s efforts to help states comply with the NVRA’s public agency registration requirements, please visit our NVRA Implementation Project homepage.

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The GOP will try to suppress the vote in 2008.

How will "taking to the streets" help?

Maybe I don't understand what you mean.

Protesting? Rioting? What is it that you mean by taking to the streets?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Not this shit again...

Maybe if those who think they are doing their part by being keyboard commandos will leave their comfortable chairs and take to the streets, the GOP won't be able to manipulate the vote again.

This is the 21st Century, okay? We don't live in the Five Points district of New York at the end of the 19th Century, grabbing up our shotguns and baseball bats to go fight back against Tammany Hall tough guys.

The weapon of today is information, and it's a far more effective deterrant against corruption than marching around with your finger up your ass.

And once again, I am amazed that someone can type on their keyboard an insult to those who type on their keyboards, without banging their head on the irony bar that's right there in front of them.


The weapon of today is information, and it's a far more effective deterrant against corruption than marching around with your finger up your ass.

You could put it that way. :)

But in a way, the record-breaking voter turn out in this primary election has been people taking to the streets in a legal way. More people turned out in Ohio yesterday than did in the last general election.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Oh, I agree totally.

GOTV pays back in spades, because a lot of people drag others with them to the polls. I believe in "getting out there" and doing stuff, and I'm not too bad at meeting people and making friends.

But that's not my "calling", if you know what I mean. My skill is in the written word. I can make people laugh and I can make them cry, and, best of all, I can make them think. The written word can be a powerful tool for change; history is riddled with examples of writers inspiring and guiding revolutions from the solitude of their lonely rooms.

If it weren't for the "keyboard commandos" of this world, I'm not sure if freedom and liberty would have ever been born, much less survive the ravages of mediocrity.

Poor Richard's Almanac

is a prime example.

Of course, I don't think Ben had a keyboard, exactly.

Of course I'm crazy, I'm a blogger. What's your excuse?

Of course I'm crazy, I'm a blogger. What's your excuse?

I agree, information is paramount

I will most certainly be taking to the streets to help campaign, but I'd kind of like to know for whom and what I'm campaigning first.

Call me eccentric, but I'm kind of funny that way.

Of course I'm crazy, I'm a blogger. What's your excuse?

Of course I'm crazy, I'm a blogger. What's your excuse?

With all due respect.

You obviously don't know what the hell you're talking about.

The guy you're responding to is a Vietnam era veteran - just like me - and I'm not going to stand by and let some Thursday morning drive-by asshole criticize him for doing exactly the same thing you're doing.

Bring by a list of all the corruption you've deterred over the past 35 years and we'll talk. Otherwise, STFU.


Hold on, Rip. Just wait a fucking minute.

How is it you are communicating with us right now? Are you making these messages appear with your mind? Or do you have to apply your fingers to a keyboard like the rest of us mere mortals?

Some of the regulars on this board are Vietnam Veterans. Some, I'm sure actively protested during the Vietnam War. Some of us remember it, but were too young to have protested or fought during that time. And some of us were not born. You have a shitload of nerve popping in here screaming about "keyboard commandos" and not telling us who the fuck you are and where the fuck you cam from. Either introduce yourself and give us your story, or stick that finger back up your ass, because it's not doing you any good on your keyboard.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Wrong answer

Listen. If you bothered to pay attention and actually asked us what we do instead of making ignorant assumptions you wouldn't have just made yourself look like the biggest asshole in North Carolina. Most of us are involved on the ground - we volunteer for campaigns, are party officers, politicians, precinct organizers, fundraisers.....and have full-time employment. etc. etc. etc. closing....stop typing....step away from the've already made a big enough fool out of yourself for one day. Come back later after we've stopped laughing at you.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Rip, I'm not going to join the slugfest here

but I do have to say to you, the world has changed about 280 degrees since those days. Sadly, the media no longer reports on mass street protests. It absolutely shocked me, the huge crowd of people who came for the big announced protests in DC over the last few years. The one in January 2007 as we were headed back for the bus, I passed a photographer folding up his crane dolly, you know for getting the big overhead, long range shots of huge crowds, and I asked him, where can I see those pictures you took? Ah, well it depends who I can sell them to.

I never did see those pictures, neither did I see anything on the news anywhere except a brief mention of the luminaries that gave speeches that day on the mall. There was not even a close approximate count of the throngs of people who came out for it. There was however, a mention of the counter-protesters that gave one the impression that our side was about equal to the 2 dozen or so Bushies who came out to rant at us as we swarmed past them by the hundreds of thousands.

There is a news black-out in America that frightens me to the core. Media consolidation is the hallmark of a fascist state. Are we there yet?

We are the media now. Without this tool we are both using at the moment, it is a wasteland.

Peace brother.


You might want to wipe that finger before you type with it. It doesn't bother me but it sure does alter your perception of the world. Here, use these, they have a dual purpose that may help you:

Now if you'll excuse me there's an ethics hearing going on related to something we wrote about a year ago.

Write about it later today, will you?

Thanks, Greg.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Actually, these types of gatherings

Anyway I'm sure those wine and cheese gatherings, rubbing elbows with local celebrities are much more comfortable and much more your style.

have never been my favorites; I'm more of a hot dogs & hamburgers on the grill, combat volleyball in the back yard kind of guy. But I will do a wine & cheese thing if it will get me a few minutes of conversation with a current or future Senator or Congressman, which (surprisingly enough) has happened to me several times in the last year or so. Whether my words have/will make an impact on their votes is uncertain, but I'd like to think I planted a seed.

You must have been too young to remember Viet Nam?

I was just a touch too young to march or get drafted (graduated HS 1978), but I'm well aware of what was going on. But frankly, I'm not sure how relevant Vietnam is in this discussion, because I'm not sure how much the marching activists actually played in the cessation of violence. Some, to be sure, but there were many other factors involved as well.

ruminating in the shower this morning

I do my best thinking there -

I remember that we were in Vietnam for about 20 years, from the time the advisors first touched down to when we finally left in 1972. I'm not sure the marchers had any effect at all.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

This is how I remember it

There were many marches and protests all over America, especially on college campuses (remember "4 dead in Ohio" or even the huge atracity committed on the protesters outside the convention in Chicago? ) But I think this describes it best: from Infoplease (don't pass your cursor over the annoying Navy ad)

The length of the war, the high number of U.S. casualties, and the exposure of U.S. involvement in war crimes such as the massacre at My Lai (see My Lai incident ) helped to turn many in the United States against the war. Politically, the movement was led by Senators James William Fulbright, Robert F. Kennedy, Eugene J. McCarthy, and George S. McGovern; there were also huge public demonstrations in Washington, D.C., as well as in many other cities in the United States and on college campuses.

PS - we left in 1975 (the hubs was one of those "last out")

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

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He says from his keyboard

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Raise your hand if...

"Leave their keyboards"

I know that currently or at one point, of the regular contributors who I have known for a while, there are at least 3 county party officers, a half dozen precinct chairs (current or former), candidates or relatives of 4 or 5 candidates, a few elected officials, and at least one person who volunteered so often the Edwards campaign gave him a staff email.

But yeah, a bunch of people yelling through the computer is all we are.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

I don't leave my keyboard

except to write checks. Guess I suck.

...and hold fundraisers

.....and speak to other bloggers at NCDP and Converge South.......and visit Washington County to bring the No-OLF fight to BlueNC....and...and...shall I go on?

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Precisely, Blue South.

There might be a lot of "keyboard commandos" who regularly frequent this particular watering hole, but in my experience, most of us come here for inspiration to go out and do the some of the heavy lifting in our own particular street marches.

And - to each his or her own. A baseball team would be no good with only pitchers or homerun hitters. You need all kinds of folks to make up a good team. You need canvassers (god I hate canvassing), phone bankers (I can do that.), keyboard commandos, (now you're talkin'!), volunteers, contributors, party officers (yup, yup and yup) to make it all work. And of course, you need folks to step up and be the candidates. They really have my admiration. I have no illusions about my ability to do that. I swear too %@#%* much.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

oh please

I dont trust anyone in politics who cant make a sailor feel comfortable.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Well in that case....

fuckin' a.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Joisy Girl

Careful, your Jersey American Princess is showing

"jump in where you can and hang on"
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