The N&O on education for illegal immigrants

The N&O doesn't often take unambiguous stands on its editorial page, but today is a welcome exception. Steve Ford and company deserve a pat on the back for this excellent commentary on the politics of education:

It should be clear that allowing motivated, capable young people to continue their education benefits both them and the public at large. Those young people already are entitled, reasonably, to attend public elementary and secondary schools. What's the point of denying them a chance to continue along the academic path? After all, most of them are here in the first place because they were brought by parents. Punishing them for a situation not of their making seems both unfair and counterproductive to society.

Roy Cooper blew this, as Graig quickly observed in his post earlier this week. Easley has stepped in, to his credit, to make it clear that he stands for opportunity and fairness. Perdue now has the chance to clarify her own position, to show she's both more enlightened and more pragmatic than Pat McCrory.

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Bravo! This is important, James.

Punishing them for a situation not of their making seems both unfair and counterproductive to society.

It most certainly does.

This topic was big last week on FM 101.1 morning talk radio, and the consensus was that if the immigration laws are not going to be inforced each and every time a person is found to not be here in the USA that is not a citizen or actively working within the system to become a citizen of the USA, then the children of those people should not be turned away from a continuing education if they were allowed to go through high school and now qualify to go to college.

Makes total sense to me. Cooper really screwed this one up royally.

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

North Carolina. Turning the South Blue!

It is ok if a illegal gets your child's slot at UNC?

So what you are saying is this. It is ok for someone breaking our law to attend a state university in the place of your child?

the child is breaking the law?

The child had no choice. The child is not a lawbreaker. The child is a child, Paul, a human being who deserves a shot at life. Maybe you should come out in favor of mandatory abortions for illegal immigrant women.

What kind of world do you want? Do you want a world in which all these children, who ARE here, and who are NOT going to be deported, no matter what kind of fantasy along those lines you may be entertaining, are going to grow up without education, with few options but with a sense of being "other" and "alien" that feeds into gang membership and fast money through drug dealing? What do you think their options will be if they are not educated?

You want to just keep building more prisons?

Mandatory abortions as conservative policy

Maybe you should come out in favor of mandatory abortions for illegal immigrant women.

I love it when something that looks like a slippery slope argument actually isn't.

From the Denver Post:

Officials with two anti-abortion groups are blasting Bob Schaffer, a Republican candidate for a Colorado U.S. Senate seat, over his defense of human-rights conditions in the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory where allegations that factory workers must undergo forced abortions are common.

Colorado Right to Life accused Schaffer of closing his eyes to reports from Chinese workers on the islands about forced abortions. And Steve Curtis, the head of American Right to Life Action, an offshoot of Colorado Right to Life, said Schaffer should explain his stance.

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From Wikipedia:

In 1999 then-Congressman Schaffer took a paid "fact-finding" trip to the Northern Mariana Islands -- organized by the lobbying firm of convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who funneled the trip's $13,000 cost through a religious lobbying group.[16] Jack Abramoff worked closely with Tom DeLay to block legislation that would reform the oppressive working conditions on the islands. Schaffer's trip included a free stay at a beach resort for him and his wife as well as a parasailing excursion (taken on Schaffer's personal time after four days of official work had been completed). The "fact-finding mission", paid covertly by Abramoff's firm through the non-profit Traditional Values Coalition, was to ostensibly look over labor conditions of foreign textile workers. While Schaffer concluded that the working conditions were fine, a class-action lawsuit included accusations of sweatshop conditions and an Interior Department investigation concluded that pregnant women were forced to have abortions to keep their jobs and some were forced into prostitution. [17]

During his 2008 Senate campaign, Schaffer suggested that the Northern Marianas' guest worker program might serve as a model for US national immigration policy, stirring further controversy.[18] According to a 1998 World (magazine) article that mainly sourced Andrea Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition, some argued that the issues of the Northern Marianas labor, wage, and immigration laws are simply attacks by US-based labor unions who are attempting to eliminate competition.[19] Schaffer also downplayed criticism from pro-life organizations that he participated in Abramoff's lobbying strategy to protect the sweatshop system by arguing, "In five days, I did not observe a forced abortion or meet anybody who had any knowledge of them."

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Well, I can't say the Republicans aren't the Party of Values. You know, "traditional values" like forced prostitution and forced abortions.

Of course, if a tree falls in the forest and I'm too busy parasailing to hear it, it doesn't make a sound...

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I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

Old enough

I'm going to point out that, regardless of how they originally got here, someone old enough for college is, in fact, an adult and not a child. Therefore they remain in this country by their own choice and not the choice of their parents. They themselves are responsible for their own presence in this country.

Yeah.

They can just illegally immigrate someplace else.

(!?)

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I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

If that undocumented student

has performed better academically (SAT, GPA) than a (legal) student that has faced fewer obstacles, that represents an extremely admirable effort by the student and his/her family, and should be perceived as such.

Considering that many anti-immigration folks believe most illegals are either criminals or ignorant (or both), I can't imagine why they would be worried about losing university seats to them.

Paul... Are you suggesting a three year old can be a criminal?

Thousands of very, very young children are brought to America undocumented and begin school here...

They graduate from High school here... and yes Paul, they go to College here.

Most consider themselves as American as Apple Pie because they have never known another life or Country. Now you re saying that these folks are criminals?

They must be allowed to go to college the same way you and I do. Period. No Difference. Kaput!

Over the past 90 years or so we have invited the undocumented worker here to America. Winking at it all the way as they served us, picked our vegtables and fruit, cared for our children and worked in our factories. Many paying taxes to their employer the whole time not realizing that their employer was not sending those taxes to the Government. Millions of them over many, many years. You seem to be addressing the "Injustice of it all. Well how about addressing that Injustice? We do. By allowing them to go to school and becoming productive.

I do understand where you are coming from Paul, but our own government was complicit in allowing so many undocumented workers to live here at the bequest of "Industry". The undocumented are not your enemy Paul.

You must look to our government or the responsibility to fix this issue without victimizing those it so greatly profited from politically and financially.
I am a strong supporter of Isreal Paul, but I am still preplexed at the notion that palistinians, born in Isreal over several generations, are not considered citizens of that great and fruitful country. Go Figure.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Entitlements

It is ok for someone breaking our law to attend a state university in the place of your child?

Your child's slot?

Whoa, so a citizen or legal resident is entitled to a college education at a public university?

When did this happen? Shouldn't we be opposed to this sort of levelling social welfare? How's a kid gonna appreciate that education if he didn't have to work for it*?

* pay no attention to the legacy admissions, trust-fund babies, etc. behind the curtain

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relocating from Indianapolis, IN to RTP, NC soon; got any advice for me?

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

Doesn't this sound a little like

the arguments made when Chapel Hill was opened to women? And then integrated? Why is it always somebody else's fault that your kid can't get into Chapel Hill?

It also sounds like what my mother was told when she insisted on working as a graphic artist and later a cartographer when I was a little kid, "I don't think you should be here. You're taking a man's job."

And there are, according to those who keep the numbers here in NC, 27 undocumented students across the ENTIRE 16 campus UNC system. That was not broken out by campus.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Yep.

Thanks for asking though.

He done runt off

State House candidate for the 33rd district (here in Wake County) Paul Terrell, III, was kind enough to stop by earlier and post some remarks. He opted not to stay and answer the questions these remarks promted.

But he did have this to say about that from the safe haven of "talkingaboutpolitics.com":

Paul Terrell III
Posted : 5/11/2008 6:02:44 PM

I had to go over to Blue NC and make a few corrections:

No a illegal cannot enlist in the military because they do not have a valid Birth Certificate and SSN.

Yes Bush's approval rating is bad under 30%, but the Democratic Congress' is dismal under 20%.

Those of us that pay taxes want our money back. After all it is OUR money. Any surpluses should resort in a automatic payment back to us like they do in Oregon every two years.

Brunette called me extreme for wanting responsible government not crumbling roads, failed mental health care, corruption, closed government, failing schools, highest taxes in the south, and payments from PACS based on what you have done for them. And of course political appointments based on your fundraising ability.

Idiocy is as idiots do

It's pretty idiotic to hold rank-and-file Democrats accountable for Congress's low approval ratings. The reason is to be found in the Gallup Poll results which conservatives so gleefully—but selectively—quote.

Despite Bush's low overall ratings, nearly three in four Republicans, 72%, still think he is doing a good job. Only 23% of independents and 9% of Democrats agree. Congress' ratings are low among all three party groups -- 24% among Republicans, 18% among independents, and 21% among Democrats. The Democratic Party controls both houses of Congress, but that apparently does not endear Democrats to Congress very much.

("Public Shows Little Love for Bush, Congress", gallup.com)

It's all right there:

  • Bush is doing a good job according to a heavy majority of Republicans.
  • Doing what Republicans consider a "good job" has resulted in Bush's abysmal approval rating among the electorate as a whole.
  • By contrast, rank-and-file Democrats don't approve of what the Democratically-controlled Congress is doing.
  • In point of fact, the Democratically-controlled Congress is more popular among Republicans than it is among Democrats.

None of this should come as a surprise to anyone who follows the news, and who understands what conservatives and progressives want from their government.
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I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

Illegal is illegal

Exactly why should the good citizens and LEGAL residents of NC support the college education of illegal aliens? Illegal aliens cannot legally hold jobs in the U.S., so why should we allow illegals to even attend college? Furthermore, even if they were to pay out-of-state tuition, it would not cover the entire cost to taxpayers to cover their college presence.

Those individuals who are illegally present in the U.S. are just that...ILLEGAL. Return to the nation of which you are a citizen. If you then desire to immigrate to the U.S., do so legally through the proper channels and utilize the current legal immigration process and system. Otherwise, if you remain here, you should be deported upon discovery.
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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

In state tuition for illegal

In state tuition for illegal aliens is not fair to American citizen students and legal resident students. As you should know, the tuition charged to a student, whether in-state or out of state does not cover the total cost of that student's education. There are taxpayer dollars sudsidizing the remainder of the costs.

Another issue at hand is contravention of a 1996 federal law that prohibits any state from offering in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens unless the state also offers in-state tuition rates to all U.S. citizens. This, obviously, is another law regarding illegals that our federal government doesn't enforce.

On top of that, this sends a message to foreign nationals to get their kids into America for a free public education and to top it off, special tuition benefits in college.
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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Going to college is not a “job Americans wont’ do.”

Illegals being allowed to attend college clearly discriminates against U.S. citizens and law-abiding foreign students who who are vying for coveted and limited seats in college. This is the first step in the goal of making illegals eligible for grants and student loans, in addition to favorable minority status awarded. This obviously, will displace legal residents and American citizens from colleges and severely reduce the available pool of grants and loans.

Some may think that there are unlimited seats available to fill in colleges. The truth is, for every admission of an illegal alien to college, an American student is denied because of the limited seats available. The last time I checked, going to college was not a “job Americans wont’ do.”
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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

I don't know who these "some" are

but most here understand that there are limited admission places at college campuses within the 16 member UNC system. However, community colleges have no academic admissions requirements. Everyone who applies gets in.

This will sound harsh, but it's really just me being confused about something I noticed on community college campuses. Within the last ten years, I've attended classes on two NC community college campuses. Always, at the first of each semester, the parking lots are full. You cannot find a spot. You're parking in the grass on side roads. But just be patient and wait a few weeks. Pretty soon you'll be able to park in prime spots. Know why that is? It's because legal and citizen students have quit going to classes. But you want me to worry that an illegal immigrant is going to take the place of one of those kids who quits going to class a month into the semester ... EVERY semester? Not.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Comprehensive Immigration ENFORCEMENT

First, let us remember the "illegal" part of being an illegal immigrant. Most Americans don't seem to have problems with legal immigration, however it only seems fair to question the value of any additions to our country who already show no regard for it's laws upon arrival.

Second, it seems far too easily forgotten that one must be an U.S. citizen in order to warrant the rights afforded to a citizen. That should be the end of discussion.

Third, legal immigrants working alongside native born citizens have made this country what it is. We have thrived on the contributions of immigrants and will usually need them, though to varying degrees, throughout most sectors of our economy. The problem is that we cannot afford to turn a blind eye to those who enter illegally, ignore our laws and seek to subvert our culture and national values. We welcome those who follow the rules, learn the English language, and respect our sovereignty. As illegal immigrants, it is not only offensive but also ridiculous to ask for rights, which they have not earned nor are entitled to.

Let's secure our borders by building the fence so we have an effective and controlled immigration system at the same time as we enforce our currently existing immigration laws. During this interval we encourage illegals to depart (attrition through enforcement). Once our borders are secured and we have a grip on a functional system of immigration, we move against those illegals that have refused to leave. We should never ever grant amnesty.

We tried 'comprehensive immigration reform' in 1986. We gave amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens in exchange for the government promising to secure the borders, conduct workplace enforcement and enforce immigration law. It didn't work because the government lied and did nothing other than process the amnesty paperwork. Due to that folly, we now have 20 Million or more illegal aliens here demanding amnesty.

Don't you think it is far beyond time that we engage in Comprehensive Immigration ENFORCEMENT rather than Comprehensive Immigration Reform?
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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

You might have a few decent arguments

if you could steer clear of racist crap like this:

seek to subvert our culture and national values

Stick to the legal stuff. I for one have worked alongside enough of these folks to know that many of them have much stronger values than some of the spoiled rotten crowd filling out our (legal) ranks these days.

FISCAL COST OF IMMIGRATION

After careful review, anyone with a even a modicum of logic can come to no other conclusion: illegal immigration must be halted, illegal immigrants here now must be deported and legal immigration needs decreased from the approx. 2 million allowed in per year currently.

Please review the following report on the FISCAL COST OF IMMIGRATION by economist Edwin Rubenstein released in April 2008:
http://www.esrresearch.com/Rubensteinreport.pdf

A partial summary of the report:

The impact on 15 Federal Departments surveyed was: $346 billion in fiscal related costs in FY 2007.

Each immigrant cost taxpayers more than $9,000 per year.

An immigrant household (2 adults, 2 children) cost taxpayers $36,000 per year.

Legal immigrants were not separated out from illegal immigrants for the fiscal impact study, but if they had been, the fiscal cost per ILLEGAL immigrant would be even more shocking than the figures quoted above.

The most extensive and authoritative study, prior to economist Edwin Rubenstein's "The Fiscal Impact of Immigration" (April 2008) , is the National Research Council (NRC)’s The New Americans: Economic, Demographic and Fiscal Effects of Immigration (1997).

The NRC staff analyzed federal, state, and local government expenditures on programs such as Medicaid, AFDC (now TANF), and SSI, as well as the cost of educating immigrants’ foreign- and native-born children.

NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal annual expenditures and pays $10,664 in federal taxes—that is, they generate a fiscal deficit of $2,682 (1996 dollars)per household.

In 2007 dollars this is a deficit of $3,408 per immigrant household.

With 9 million households currently headed by immigrants, more than $30 billion ($3,408 x 9 million) of the federal deficit represents money transferred from native taxpayers to immigrants.

Our national immigration policies have to work for the United States. While improving the plight of the world’s poor is a laudable goal, the finite resources we have available to fulfill that goal would be swamped if there wasn’t some orderly and manageable system in place to limit entry into the United States to what this nation can actually support. The more illegal aliens that are permitted to subvert the immigration system, the fewer immigrants we can accommodate who might actually produce a positive benefit for our country.

The more we become a nation of illegal immigrants, the deeper we fall into anarchy.
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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

"The deeper we fall into anarchy"

Damn right!

Probably the most terrible legacy of the Bush Administration and the Republican Congress he enjoyed for most of his term has been the alarming diminution in the power of the State. From his abandonment of jurisdiction over suspected terrorists captured in Iraq, Afghanistan, or elsewhere; to his unilateral decree that no one in the direct or indirect employ of the government shall use harsh interrogative techniques, let alone torture, under any circumstances; to the new policies at major airports where you simply drive your car up to your flight's aircraft on the tarmac, toss your suitcase into the baggage hold, and climb the stairs into the craft while a valet—the only person you see apart from a flight attendant and your fellow passengers— drives your car to long-term parking; to President Bush's heroic passage of the Flat Tax Constitutional amendment, which implemented the first single-tax system in the modern world; to the pathetic efforts of the now-six-man New York City police department to atone for racially-charged incidents of the past by offering free back massages to African-American and Latino citizens, it is certain that Americans feel the interfering hand of government in their lives less than ever.

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relocating from Indianapolis, IN to RTP, NC soon; got any advice for me?

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

Yeah, let those illegal people rot

Right on, zeezil.

Why should the good citizens and LEGAL residents of North Carolina pay for police and fire protection services rendered to illegal people?

If an apartment building is on fire, for example, we should demand proof of legal immigration status from everyone within before we put the fire out.

If the victim of a crime is an illegal person, we should refuse to prosecute that crime until we have established that the victim is a legal resident of the United States. If they're not, well, the police will have enough to do as it is, placing the victim into the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Moreover, because our country is under such dire threat from these illegals, because they sneak into this country while pregnant and/or continue to breed once here, because obtaining sufficient proof of legal status is so easy, and because we take seriously our commitment to equal treatment under the law, all people must be prepared to present proof of citizenship or legal residency upon demand in any encounter with a public employee. That goes for everyone, from infants to the elderly, from the able-bodied to the quadriplegic, from the guys who use big words to the people with senile dementia or Alzheimer's disease. Failure to prove legal status must result in immediate detention and transfer to ICE for a hearing.

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relocating from Indianapolis, IN to RTP, NC soon; got any advice for me?

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

oh it grates on my last nerve.

Dammit. There are no "illegal people" Jeebus Tap-Dancing Baby Keyrice. People may be in this country illegally, but they are not illegal people.

Unless we're going to start calling everyone who breaks a law "illegal people" - you know, Scooter Libby: Illegal. Jack Abramoff: Illegal. Thomas Wright: Illegal.

It's just another right wing dogwhistle meant to dehumanize an entire population. "Illegal Alien" sounds like someone from outer space, doesn't it? E.T. phone home.

Undocumented immigrant, a little bit better. Undocumented worker, a little bit better.

No one is a person illegally. It's not against the law to be a person. So yeah, I'm parsing language, but it just gets on my nerves.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
Pointing at Naked Emperors

The term is no accident

I don't think the term "illegal person" has its origins in mere fuzzy thinking. I think that, like "death tax", it is calculated to distort the mind and stoke negative emotions.

Myself, I try to use the phrase "undocumented immigrant", because documents are at the center of the issue. If "your papers are in order", you suddenly become "worthy" of having your civil rights protected. It's a sad state of affairs, but one that properly (in my view) places the emphasis on the bureaucracy.

That is, I use "undocumented immigrant" when I'm not being a sarcastic bastard.

Which is only once in a while...

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relocating from Indianapolis, IN to RTP, NC soon; got any advice for me?

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

Don't feed the trolls. And don't fall for red herrings.

This is a complex issue that deserves vigorous debate. However, it's worth participating in that debate only when all parties are fully engaged.

Come on back Paul and zeezil. Prove you're not just trolling for provocation and I'll take you up point for point. Show that you're thoughtful and open minded and we might even have a dialogue. Demonstrate that your ideology is backed by personal relationships with undocumented people and we'll be able to get into real depth.

Brown People.

Demonstrate that your ideology is backed by personal relationships with undocumented people and we'll be able to get into real depth.

That'll never happen because at its root this is really about hate and hating brown people. The majority of people in the U.S. have their roots in poor people that passed through our ports without much hassle, so long as they weren't carrying disease. They formed the backbone of the United States during its rise to power. They provided hard labor at a cheap cost and because of that we became the nation we are.

The people who are so against immigrants now can be described in two words: Lazy, bigots.

They fear immigrants because they are afraid of competition and hard work - hardly the America that their parents and grandparents knew.

They've picked an enemy that is easy to target, those of different colors.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Immigration Terminology 101

Immigration Terminology 101

With the vitriolic immigration debate roiling in all parts of our country, it is important to understand terminology. Be prepared to dispel the half-truths and no truths of the way those who are illegally in our country are described by their advocates. Knowledge is power:

ILLEGAL:
1.) Unlawful; illegitimate; illicit; unlicensed.
2.) Illegal, unlawful, illegitimate, illicit, criminal can all describe actions not in accord with law.
3.) Illegal refers most specifically to violations of statutes.
4.) Prohibited by law

ALIEN:
1.) a person who is not a citizen of the country.
2.) in the United States any person born in another country to parents who are not American and who has not become a naturalized citizen. There are resident aliens officially permitted to live in the country and illegal aliens who have sneaked into the country or stayed beyond the time allowed on a visa.

INVADE:
1. to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields
2. to enter as if to take possession: To invade a neighbor's home
3. to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: Viruses that invade the bloodstream.
4. to intrude upon: To invade the privacy of a family.
5. to encroach or infringe upon: to invade the rights of citizens.
6. to permeate: The smell of baking invades the house.
7. to penetrate; spread into or over: The population boom has caused city dwellers to invade the suburbs

Those illegally in a country are not "immigrants". There is no such thing as an "illegal immigrant". An immigrant is involved with an established and orderly procedure of immigration (entering a country to which one is not native in order to settle there by legal process).

They are not immigrants, not undocumented immigrants (Kennedy and the PC fan favorite), not undocumented workers, not undocumented Americans (Harry Reid’s favorite), not economic immigrants (Big Business and Wall Street favorite), not immigrants without work papers, not people who are working (Enrique Morone’s favorite), not migrant workers, not entrants, not day laborers and not the “unbanked” (Bill Clinton and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s favorite).

The government has defined them as "illegal aliens" and explicitly uses that term in all its laws and statutes. So keep it simple…a spade is a spade…they are illegal aliens. Or, if you’d prefer, another term that would be just as correct to use is "invaders". I would consider the two interchangeable.

One other definition is exceedingly useful since you’ll hear with every piece of amnesty legislation, the open border lobbyists, facilitators and illegal alien advocates declaring that it isn’t amnesty in the hope that you will think so. Here’s the definition of amnesty so you can decide for yourself:

AMNESTY is legislation to forgive the breaking of immigration laws and to make it possible for illegal aliens to live permanently in the United States. Amnesty represents a system of federal rewards and assistance for illegal aliens, and they entice an even greater number of foreign nationals to illegally enter a country. Amnesty is providing the ultimate goal of the perpetrators illegal entry...legalization of their presence.

AMNESTY:
1. A general pardon for offenses against a government
2. An act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole
3. Forgetting or overlooking any past offense

There you have it, folks. Knowledge is power…use it wisely.
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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

zeezil, one of the geniuses of Rome

was the practice of granting Roman citizenship to any man who completed a required time in Rome's military. Historians tell us that this practice offered whole peoples (conquered, of course) who would otherwise have had no reason to join with Rome or to care about the welfare of Rome a clear stake in her success and prosperity.

There is a current effort here in the US to learn from history and apply that genius and create a similar path to citizenship for undocumented kids living here in the US. That effort would award undocumented resident students with a fast-track citizenship option after they take the necessary steps to qualify. To qualify, they'd have to have stayed out of trouble, lived here in the US for a long time, and do one of two things ... 1) earn at least a two year degree at a community college or 2)honorably serve a specified tour of duty in the US military. This effort is actually a congressional bill. It's short named the DREAM act.

Is this sort of path to citizenship for undocumented people what you mean when you use the term "amnesty"? Because amnesty is defined as forgiveness. Forgiveness comes with no expectation of return from the forgiven. The way I read this bill, there is clearly a requirement of service or acheivment on the part of any recipient. To me, this sounds like more of a valuable exchange of kindnesses rather than a costly give away, which is how you seem to see "amnesty".

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

"It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." - Harry Truman

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Zeezil..Based on your love for the letter of the law....

I guess we will be sending President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and a few others to prison very soon... I mean, that is what you would insist on ....right?

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Some facts

From 1987 to 1992, for instance, 60 percent of legal immigrants surveyed by the Mexican Migration Project used a hospital but between 1997 and 2002 the share had fallen to 42 percent. Over the same period the percentage with children in U.S. schools fell from 35 percent to 19 percent, and food stamp usage dropped from 15 percent to 5 percent. Welfare usage remained roughly constant at 8 percent to 10 percent. Tax payments, meanwhile, rose from the already high level of 90 percent to reach 95 percent between 1997 and 2002.

Among both legal and illegal Mexican migrants, the likelihood of filing a tax return – and thus having any hope of receiving a refund – has fallen in recent years. Between 1997 and 2002, for instance, just 67 percent of legal immigrants and only 5 percent of undocumented migrants reported filing a federal tax return. In other words, all Mexican immigrants, but especially the undocumented, are likely to contribute to U.S. public coffers rather than take from them. Instead of stereotyping migrants as freeloaders, they should more accurately be seen as freebies.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Leslie H: Dream Act information

The DREAM Act does not require that aliens have a history of good moral character; it only requires that they have good moral character from the time they apply – see SEC. 3(a)(1)(B) of the Dream Act legislation which was most recently defeated in 2007 but is certain to reappear.

As soon as DREAM amnesty citizens are over 21, they can bring in their parents who broke the law to get them into the country. The chief criminals will be rewarded, leading eventually to their aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins.

The marketing campaign for the DREAM Act purports the amnesty is intended for high school graduates who are on their way to college or military service. But the bill as written has a loophole to ensure that illegal immigrants don't have to attend high school, go to college or join the armed forces. There is even a loophole called the “hardship provision” which gives amnesty to those who didn’t initially qualify for the amnesty upon application.

Despite the rhetoric from the pro-illegal advocates, our immigration system is not a failed or broken system. America is the most diverse nation on the planet and allows more legal immigrants than the rest of the world combined. The immigration system is not "broken"; it has been abused. Millions of illegal immigrants have ignored the laws of the most generous country in the world and used their own children as tools to anchor themselves to America and access government benefits.

Another marketing campaign for the DREAM Act is that a child should not be penalized because his parents brought him to this country illegally. The DREAM Act, however, allows the child to benefit from the fact their parents broke the law. And, of course, that child has benefited from the generosity of American citizens ever since they arrived in their dreamland and now they are asking for even more. Are these the people you’d want as fellow citizens, because that’s what the DREAM Act will give them, American citizenship.

I encourage those of you that are opposed to the continued abuse of American generosity to voice your opposition to amnesty in all shape, matter or form.
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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

Voicing opposition

Thanks, but since I am opposed to the continued abuse of American principles as set down in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, —including the Fourteenth Amendment— I'll voice my opposition to political conservatism in every way, shape, and form.

I know you guys reminisce fondly about a King named George, but you might want to read those documents you claim to venerate sometime. I particularly recommend the list of grievances against the English crown spelled out in Jefferson's Declaration of Independence. You know the parts after "When, in the course of Human Events, (mumble mumble)...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, hey, what about PROPERTY? What kind of loony Communist was Jefferson, anyway?", when you instead change the subject to the brilliant insights of Edmund Burke and Alexis de Tocqueville—whom you also haven't read.

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relocating from Indianapolis, IN to RTP, NC soon; got any advice for me?

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

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Garner, NC

I wouldn't recommend drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson

Definitions of Amnesty:

Amnesty has nothing to do with paying a fine, standing in some line, engaging in some service, having to get a fallible background check or any other 'inconvenience' the illegal alien may have to 'endure'. Amnesty is absolvement of their crimes thereby allowing them to legally operate here and pursue citizenship. With citizenship achieved in this manner, American citizenship will have been devalued for those that respect America, play by the rules, value the law and follow the law.

Here is an assembledge of definitions of amnesty from various sources:

Definitions of Amnesty:

Dictionary.com:
1. a general pardon for offenses, esp. political offenses, against a government, often granted before any trial or conviction
2. Law. an act of forgiveness for past offenses, esp. to a class of persons as a whole.
3. a forgetting or overlooking of any past offense
4. to grant amnesty to; pardon

American Heritage Dictionary:
A general pardon granted by a government, especially for political offenses.

Online Etymology Dictionary:
"pardon of past offenses," 1580, from Fr. amnestie "intentional overlooking," from L. amnestia, from Gk. amnestia "oblivion" (see amnesia). Amnesty International founded 1961 as Appeal for Amnesty. The name was changed 1963.

WordNet:
noun
1. a period during which offenders are exempt from punishment
2. a warrant granting release from punishment for an offense [syn: pardon]
3. the formal act of liberating someone
verb
1. grant a pardon to (a group of people)

Kernerman English Multilingual Dictionary:
a general pardon given to people who have done wrong especially against the government. Example: The murderer was released under the amnesty declared by the new president.

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law:
an act of clemency by an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individuals

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary:
1. Forgetfulness; cessation of remembrance of wrong; oblivion.
2. An act of the sovereign power granting oblivion, or a general pardon, for a past offense.

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Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

What is AMNESTY?

Amnesties are all too common legislative efforts to forgive the breaking of immigration laws and to make it possible for illegal aliens to live permanently in the United States. Amnesties represent a system of federal rewards and assistance for illegal migrants, and they entice an even greater number of illegal migrants. Census 2000 results indicate that 700,000 to 800,000 illegal aliens settle in the U.S. each year, with an estimated 8-11 million illegal aliens currently living in the United States.

According to INS estimates released in October, 2000, the amnesties granted in 1986 as a result of the Immigration Reform and Control Act significantly contributed to an increase in illegal immigration as the relatives of newly legalized illegal immigrants came illegally to the United States to join their family members. In the decade following the 1986 amnesty, illegal immigration increased dramatically.

PAST AMNESTIES

No. 1- Immigration Reform and Control Act Amnesty of 1986:
The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA) was enacted by Congress in response to the large and rapidly growing illegal alien population in the United States. The final bill was the result of a dramatic compromise between those who wanted to reduce illegal immigration into the United States and those who wanted to "wipe the slate clean" for those illegals already living here by granting them legal residence. As enacted, IRCA included a massive amnesty program for two main categories of illegal aliens:

1) those who could show that they had resided illegally in the United States continuously since at least January 1, 1982; and

2) those who had worked as agricultural workers for at least 90 days between May 1, 1985 and May 1, 1986.

As a "balance" to this huge amnesty, IRCA also included several provisions designed to: strengthen the enforcement of immigration laws (including sanctions for employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens); increase border controls; and create a program to verify the immigration status of aliens applying for certain welfare benefits.

The IRCA amnesty has been tied to terrorism. Mahmud Abouhalima, a leader of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, was legalized as a seasonal agricultural worker as part of the 1986 IRCA amnesty. This allowed him to travel abroad, including several trips to Afghanistan, where he received terrorist training.

NOTE: In the 1990 Immigration Act, an additional 160,000 spouses and minor children of aliens amnestied under IRCA were granted amnesty as well. These 160,000 aliens are not included in the total numeric impact of the amnesty.

The 10-year impact of both the SAW and general amnesty in the Immigration Reform and Control Act was 2,684,892. For the computation of the total number of immigrants to be added by this amnesty, click here.

No. 2 - Section 245(i) Amnesty of 1994
Section 245(i) was added to immigration law when Congress passed this de facto amnesty as part of the FY 1995 Commerce, Justice, State Appropriations bill. Section 245(i) went into effect at the beginning of FY 1995 and was scheduled to sunset at the end of FY 1997 (Sep. 30, 1997). In nearly all cases, a person must be an illegal alien to benefit from Section 245(i). There are two major kinds of illegal aliens who benefit: (1) Those who entered the country illegally. (2) Those who entered legally on visas but then violated the terms of their visa. Read what Section 245(i) actually does.The INS estimates that at the end of FY 1997, Section 245(i) applications had resulted in an increase of 578,000 in the adjustment of status application backlog. This does not include Section 245(i) applicants whose status had already been adjusted as the INS does not track that separately.

No. 3 - Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty of 1997
President Clinton twice signed continuing resolutions to extend the September 30, 1997 expiration date of Section 245(i). The first continuing resolution extended the deadline until October 23, 1997 and the second continuing resolution extended Section 245(i) until November 7, 1997. Section 245(i) was then further extended until January 14, 1998 by Congress as part of the conference report to H.R. 2267.

No. 4 - NACARA Amnesty of 1997
The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) is an amnesty program for certain Nicaraguans and Cubans, and a de facto amnesty for certain Salvadorans, Guatemalans and Eastern Europeans. The original bills that were introduced in the House and the Senate, H.R. 2302 and S. 1976, would have benefited only certain Nicaraguans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans. Cubans and Eastern Europeans were added later to mollify the anti-Communist sentiments of some members of Congress. At the same time, opponents of the amnesty tried to negotiate a requirement that the number of aliens granted legal residence under NACARA be subtracted from legal immigration ceilings, but managed only to secure minor reductions in the unskilled worker and lottery categories. In order to avoid lengthy debate on the costs and benefits of the amnesty and to ensure adequate support for it, the bill language was added as an amendment to the appropriations bill for the District of Columbia (H.R. 2607) and passed as part of that bill.Nicaraguans and Cubans who have lived in the United States illegally since 1995, along with their spouses and unmarried children, were automatically granted legal resident status under NACARA, as long as they apply by April 1, 2000.The 10-year impact of the NACARA Amnesty on U.S. population growth is estimated to be 966,480. For the computation of the total number of immigrants to be added by this amnesty, click here.

No. 5 - HRIFA Amnesty of 1998
The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act (HRIFA) is an amnesty program for Haitians. It was passed in the aftermath of the Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA), when representatives of a long list of nationalities not included in NACARA claimed that it was discriminatory to refuse them the same special treatment. Haitians are the first group to succeed with this claim. As with NACARA, proponents of HRIFA sought to avoid a full congressional debate of the bill and so added it as an amendment to the omnibus appropriations bill for fiscal year 1999 (H.R. 4328), which was passed by both houses of Congress.HRIFA grants permanent resident status to any Haitians who have been in the United States since December 1995, along with their spouses and children, as long as they apply before April 1, 2000. Haitians granted amnesty under HRIFA will not be counted against legal immigration ceilings, and no legal immigration ceilings will be reduced to make up for the extra number of permanent immigrants.The 10-year impact of the Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act on U.S. Population growth is estimated to be 125,000. For the computation of the total number of immigrants to be added by this amnesty, click here.

No. 6 - Late Amnesty of 2000
This amnesty was the result of an agreement between the Clinton White House, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert. The "late amnesty" allowed all illegal aliens who had been part of lawsuits claiming that they have been illegal aliens since before 1982 and should have received amnesty under the 1986 IRCA amnesty but for various reasons were denied, to renew their request for the amnesty. The Late Amnesty of 2000 is expected to apply to an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens.

No. 7- LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000
The LIFE Act of 2000 that was passed in December, 2000 reinstated Section 245(i) for the first four months of 2001 (Jan-April). The House Immigration Subcommittee estimates that 900,000 aliens applied for adjustment of status in the first full year of the reinstatement.

CURRENT AND RECURRING BILLS VYING TO BECOME AMNESTY NO. 8:

Ag Jobs - would give amnesty to millions of illegal alien temporary farm workers and enable massive chain migration. Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) is the bill's main sponsor.

DREAM Act - would give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and enable massive chain migration. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) is the bill's main sponsor.

HR 750 - Save America Comprehensive Immigration Act of 2007:
- It expands chain migration
- It burdens the Secretary of State with additional immigration appeals process and boards
- It applys additional immigration burdens to the Department of Homeland Security
- It tries the same ploy as the Kennedy-McCain Comprehensive bill...some border security for amnesty and benefits to illegals.
- It mentions specific amnesty provisions for illegal Haitians
- It removes document fraud as a grounds for inadmissability
- It also minimizes or removes other offenses as grounds for inadmissability
- It calls for the "expansion of the diversity" of immigrants
- It changes the H-1B visa classificationto to O-visa classification with far less restrictive requirements

And here's the real kick in the head:
- It authorizes the Secretary to adjust the status of aliens who would otherwise be inadmissible (due to unlawful presence, document fraud, or other specified grounds of inadmissibility) if such aliens have been in the United States for at least five years and meet other requirements.

It is sponsored by Representative Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX)

5 year Amnesty Visas: Congressman Joe Baca (D-CA) and the Hispanic Caucus are already trying to pass a bill currently (2008) in the U.S. House to give out "5 Year Amnesty Visas" to illegal aliens. It is their wedge to try and turn back NC Blue Dog Democrat Heath Schuler’s SAVE Act.

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"No. 7- LIFE Act Amnesty of 2000"

For Nilzee to call the LIFE Act an "Amnesty" shows that he and the sources he uses (among them, the legal immigration-bashing FAIR) know nothing of the processes to legal immigration. The "Legal Immigration Family Equity Act" is supposed to improve wait times for family members of U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents immigrating to the United States. It allows legally entry under a non-immigrant visa while the immigrant petition is being processed.

With an incredible backlog of immigration and naturalization petitions at USCIS taking months and years to process the LIFE Act doesn't even help by that much. In my family's case, K-3/K-4 petitions (which are for the spouse and minor stepchildren of a U.S. citizen, specifically created by the LIFE Act) took a year and a half to process so my wife and her children could legally be admitted to the United States. To make matters worse, I am a U.S. servicemember that was preparing to go on a deployment to Iraq, and tried to no avail to have USCIS expedite the petitions faster.

If Nilzee is intent on changing conditions to punish families like mine that are following the legal immigration process correctly, keeping them separated for further periods of time, he gains my undying displeasure. Misrepresenting legal immigration processes (I will have another post about the lies FAIR does, with Nilzee quoting them as truth) does a great disservice to those obeying the rules. FAIR and Nilsee have even legal immigration in their sights, and it makes their motives questionable.

Want to have fun tormenting liberal democrats?


 

I've been tormenting liberals at the "Blue NC" website today. They have posted an article extolling the virtues of educating illegal aliens in colleges and supporting Democrat NC Governor Easly. The topics have been around the Dream Act and have branched out from there on illegal aliens/immigration.

It's quite fun. Join in if you'd like to torment a liberal:

zeezil is a troll from ALIPAC. We're just "libidiots and IA huggers". No feeding please.

Those poor bozos

No feeding.

What a dumb ass

Zeezil has a grossly misplaced sense of his own importance. If he considers his posts "tormenting" then he clearly doesn't know his butt from the hole in his head.

Pretty funny.

Our Founding Father's Outlook on Immigration

Our founding fathers were generally wary of immigration, and many of them were concerned about the consequences for the U.S. if levels were not controlled and limited.

Benjamin Franklin was concerned about mass influx of immigrants from middle European countries and that they showed little desire to adopt our language and customs. He felt that immigrants of sufficient number and concentration would radically change the cultural landscape in ways that the native population might not want.

Thomas Jefferson was concerned with immigrants from countries whose heads of state were monarchs and dictators. He felt that a large influx of immigrants from places without any experience with our kind of government and society could only introduce confusion and discord. Jefferson felt that it was better to wait patiently for the natural increase of the American population rather than achieve such increase by mass immigration and that the country would, as a result, be more peaceable and more durable.

Alexander Hamilton felt that any generous immigration policy has its limits if the welfare of the country is to be protected. He felt the safety of a republic depended “essentially on the energy of a common national sentiment; on a uniformity of principles and habits; on the exemption of the citizens from foreign bias, and prejudice; and on that love of country which will almost invariably found to be closely connected with birth, education, and family.” For Hamilton, immigration policy was a matter of prudence and good sense, not a moral imperative.

George Washington contended that the United States had no real reason to encourage immigration. He expressed a concerned observation that immigrants “retain the language, habits and principles (good or bad) that they bring with them.”

Rufus King, Constitutional Convention delegate from Massachusetts, was concerned about the character of the immigrants whom America might attract. He wrote in a 1798 letter, “it was the practice of the Emigrants from Scotland to bring with them Certificates from the religious Societies to which they belonged, of their honesty, sobriety, and generally of their good Character! Why should we not require some such Documents from all Emigrants, and it would be well to add to the Testimonial that the person to whom it was granted was not expelled from his Country and had not been convicted of any crime.” King wondered, “If from the emigrations of past time we have suffered inconvenience and our true national character has been disfigured, what are we to expect from the Emigrants of the present Day?”

John Jay, who would become the first chief justice of the United States, celebrated the fact that for all its “diversity”, the United States consisted essentially of people whose religious and cultural traits were broadly similar and compatible, rather than widely divergent and a potential threat to social comity.

At the Constitutional Convention, New York’s Gouverneur Morris noted that the privileges that immigrants enjoyed in the U.S. were considerably greater than in the rest of the world, but he concluded by stating that “every Society from a great Nation down to a Club has the right of declaring the conditions on which new members should be admitted.”

In summary, our founding fathers and leaders of the government from its earliest days fully supported our new republic’s right to control immigration and determine exclusionary criteria for citizenship. They would have opposed the essentially unrestrictive mass immigration numbers that we are seeing today and would have abhorred the million plus unvetted illegal immigrants coming in each year.

Following the law, abiding by the law and supporting the law is “work” that illegal aliens just won’t do.

It's nice to see that you value our founding father's opinions

on something. Too bad it wasn't valued when this administration started hacking away at our civil liberties....

This sorta reminds me of evangelicals and how they cherry pick the bible to make their point.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Progressive Discussions

SLAM DUNK!

Well said, momoaizo~

The effect of illegal immigration:

Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, pollution, environmental damage, crumbling infrastructure due to overuse, diminishing resources, diseases, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, an underground non-taxpaying economy, fraudulent documents, identity thief, tax evasion, soaring crime rates, increased tax burdens, overcrowded schools, uneducated children, overcrowded prisons, an overburdened health care system with the closure of hospitals, the balkanization of our communities, a large and growing population with loyalty to other nations and an onslaught on our national culture and identity leading to an overall decline in our quality of life.
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You left out "earthquakes".

I'm just sayin'.

HA!

Wait a minute, he left out moral degeneration!

let's kill two birds with one stone

We ought to sacrifice the immigrant babies to the earthquake god to appease his horrible wrath. We can sell tickets and donate the proceeds to the Defense of White People Fund.

Diversity makes North Carolina a wonderful place to live. I love my community in Raleigh, and the two hopes I have for Raleigh are A) smart people first growth, and B) increasing diversity.

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McCain - The Third Bush Term

You're right, we never should have left the Irish in here.

Anti-Irish racism in Victorian Britain and 19th century United States included the stereotyping of the Irish as alcoholics, and implications that they monopolized certain (usually low-paying) job markets. Similar to other immigrant populations, they were sometimes accused of cronyism, and subjected to misrepresentations of their religious and cultural beliefs. Catholics were particularly singled out, and indigenous folkloric and mythological beliefs and customs were ridiculed
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While the Irish dominated such occupations as domestic service, building, and factory work, they were not present in large numbers in the professions, finance, and many businesses. In response, the Irish clung to their occupational niches fiercely, blocking attempts by later immigrant groups such as Italians and African Americans to enter them, and earning a reputation for violence.

Some people just need to hate. It's the brown people's turn to be hated by people like you.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

You know, I could partially understand

zeezil's zest and zeal (say it ten times, if you can) if his job was in danger of being given to an undocumented worker. But as far as I can tell, there isn't a huge demand for a "Journeyman Asshole". But I could be wrong.

Coming your way courtesy of illegal alien lovers

Have you heard the saying, when California sneezes, the rest of the country catches the flu? Generally what starts in California eventually spreads to the rest of the country. That is, unless a state takes measures to resist it. Unless every state realistically tackles illegal immigration by instituting Comprehensive Immigration ENFORCEMENT, which California has refused to do, this is what you can expect:

As of 2006, California contained greater than 25% of the total illegal alien population within the U.S. Many of these illegals concentrate in Los Angeles. New statistics from the Department of Public Social Services reveal that illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $37 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in November 2007 – up $3 million dollars from September. Twenty five percent of the all welfare and food stamps benefits are going directly to the children of illegal aliens. Illegals collected over $20 million in welfare assistance for November 2007 and over $16 million in monthly food stamp allocations for a projected annual cost of $444 million. "This new information shows an alarming increase in the devastating impact Illegal immigration continues to have on Los Angeles County taxpayers," said Antonovich, LA County Supervisor. "With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $444 million in welfare allocations, the total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year – not including the millions of dollars for education."

Just keep in mind that the $37 million a month is for only one county in one state and is only welfare and foodstamp benefits. It doesn't include hospital care, education, fraud, wage depression, crime, depreciation of housing values, the portion of bad loans given to illegal aliens by banks, insurance costs and the myriad of other burdensome expenses that illegal aliens put on the backs of American citizens. There are 29 sanctuary cities in California and because of that there should be little wonder why so many illegal aliens stay in this state. They basically operate with impunity and even if they get arrested for a serious crime there is little chance of them being deported. They can sign up for welfare and food stamps with no questions asked and the hospitals provide them with free care as long as there are still emergency rooms that can’t turn them away for lack of funds. All things considered, California has rolled out the welcome mat for them.

Is there any wonder that California is right now in a fiscal crisis emergency with a budget deficit greater than $14 billion and growing? Reliable estimates calculate illegal aliens cost the state $10.5 billion each year! So what’s Schwarzenegger’s solution? A 10 percent across-the-board reduction in state agency funding,, transferring $2 billion in spending to the next fiscal year and increasing taxes. Why not, at a minimum, cut all public services to those not in the U.S. legally?. A bell should be ringing in you head about right now that tells you this is what is coming throughout America if you refuse to act locally and demand that your political leaders act against illegal immigration.
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