New PPP numbers for the Democratic Primary

PPP released its newest polling numbers for the Democratic primaries today. They bring good news for Bev Perdue and bad news for John Edwards.

Perdue leads Moore 41-25, matching the biggest lead she's had in any polling since this race began.

Edwards dropped to third in the Presidential race in the state. Hillary Clinton leads with 31%, followed by Barack Obama at 29% and Edwards at 27%.

Full results for those and the other Democratic races on our blog.

Comments

Thanks Tom.

I think your analysis of attack strategies sin the governor's race is right on the money. In fact, I was working on my own post regarding the Randy Parton Theater when I saw your comments. Thanks for saving me the trouble.

J

PS If folks haven't bookmarked your blog, they should.

Any significance to the typo?

There's this word combo ....

... attack strategies sin ...

And then on the other side ...

... sin the governor's race ...

More seriously, it bothers me that Moore's loose connection with Randy Parton might be costing him votes. I would hope that Dem candidates wouldn't use that kind of BS to win an election.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

Moore on Randy

I've been following the Randy Parton circus for awhile now, and the loose connection you describe could be put to rest instantly if Moore would release the report folks are asking about.

Allen Joines, the mayor of Winston-Salem and a member of the Local Government Commission that reviewed the Parton deal said that the full commission did not get all the information that was available. According to the N&O, Joines asked Moore to release the feasibility study. As far as I know, that hasn't happened.

Moore called foul, naturally, saying Joines' actions are political posturing. He might be right, but that doesn't change the facts of the matter.

A Moore spokesman said Joines' letter was motivated by politics. Joines supports Lt. Gov. Bev Perdue against Moore in the Democratic race for governor. There's been some finger-pointing on the campaign trail about the Parton project.

Joines rejected that allegation, adding in an interview Wednesday: "The full commission did not get all the information that was available." His letter shows possible problems with the approval process. And a city e-mail message highlights deficiencies afterward.

I'm sure there's politics involved. After all, we're in the middle of a campaign between two ambitious people. But politics or not, Richard Moore should make the report in question public. He had information about the deal that the rest of the Local Government Commission didn't have. That makes no sense at all.

Intersting - Here's follow up question ....

The study was a feasibility study to see if building the theater would be a good idea, right?

So what is the benefit to Moore of having the thing built? Sliding some government contracts to cronies or supporters??

If Moore is due some negatives because he hasn't provided all info, fine. The thing that stinks to me is that Parton's boorish behavior might be linked to Moore (as stated by the PPP folks). That part of this affair seems unfair. Or did Moore have a direct hand in hiring Parton??

Help me out, A.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

ok that's better.

Oh no, you didn't imply that Moore would get some benefit ... I was trying to figure a reason for this to be an issue .. a reason for Moore to hold off on releasing that report.

These guys (Moore and Perdue) have been in a slug fest since day one, and neither of them is going to give an inch.

We all predicted this would be the likely outcome of them going head-to-head. And this is one prediction I wish we'd been wrong about.

Exactly.

I am actually trying to avoid hearing about the gov race because of the negative crap. It is very disappointing that either one of these generally sane and worthwhile Democrats are going down this road. May 5 in the voting booth I'll probably end up holding my nose as I vote for gov.
Just disappointing.

Thank you for the reply.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

Dome sez

Moore released the study / report and they have a copy. Maybe we'll now find out what's in it and why it was withheld from the other Commissioners.

In his response, Moore said that Perdue didn't have her facts straight and that his office has released the study. The Roanoke Rapids project is only six months old, Moore said, and Research Triangle Park took 20 years to be successful.

How's that for a head fake? If this weren't so sad, it would be hilarious. Maybe it's just me, but comparing the Randy Parton Theatre to the Research Triangle Park seems just a little, well, strange.

I doubt it was ever witheld.

The implication that it was "witheld" serves political purposes, but I would guess it was always available on request. That's the thing about public records. They are available upon request.

If I recall the N&O story correctly, the standard practice, historically, was that state officials did not substitute their opinions for what local officials wanted to do. The state treasurer's responsibility, if I read correctly, was to determine whether it were FEASIBLE in the literal sense, not whether it were "advisable" for the local govenrment to undertake this project.

In fact, people familiar with local government know they get right techy when the state tells them "what is best." Ask the League of Municipalities or the Association of County Commissioners -- two very powerful lobbies -- what they think about officials from the state second-guessing their fiscal decisions.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Maybe

all I know is whatever propaganda I read in the N&O:

A study done before the theater was built said it could succeed if at least 200,000 square feet of additional shops, restaurants and other amenities were in place when the venue opened.

Allen Joines said Wednesday that he did not know about that stipulation. He is on the N.C. Local Government Commission, which is responsible for signing off on the type of borrowing Roanoke Rapids used. The commission unanimously approved Roanoke Rapids' request.

"There was no mention or discussion of the feasibility study," Joines, the mayor of Winston-Salem, said in a letter Tuesday to State Treasurer Richard Moore, who oversees the commission.

A Moore spokesman said Joines' letter was motivated by politics. Joines supports Lt. Gov. Bev Perdue against Moore in the Democratic race for governor. There's been some finger-pointing on the campaign trail about the Parton project.

Joines rejected that allegation, adding in an interview Wednesday: "The full commission did not get all the information that was available."

His letter shows possible problems with the approval process. And a city e-mail message highlights deficiencies afterward.

Oh - that's where you read it.

all I know is whatever propaganda I read in the N&O:

And you know they're always such a reliable source.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Talk about Chutzpah

It is the absolute ultimate in Chutzpah for a local government rep. to claim that he wanted the state to tell him this was a bad idea. I can just see lobbyists for the League of Municipalities and the Association of County Commissioners CRINGING at the thought of it.

Joines was always at liberty, ALWAYS, to request any documents that might be available. But for the state not to offer a document that was part of the STATE's determination as to whether to sign off on a project was not only not suspicious, but rather, had the state OFFERED the document that was part of ITS process (NOT Joines' commission's process) it would have taken flack for trying to influence the local government's decision.

THAT IS NOT the state's role and if the Secretary of Treasury had broken with all precedent and presumed to take on that role, Moore would have been castigated for it.

This is so clearly the local government boys trying to foist off blame for their miscalculation and their bad call! People who know state government and local government know this is a joke. Perdue knows it better than most because she's been in the danged General Assembly a long, long time and dealt with local government's outrage every time the state tries to tell it what do to.

A feasibility study is a study to ask the question whether the local government is capable of doing what it is telling the state it can do. That's all.

The idea that this is a real issue is so ridiculous that I can't imagine what the Perdue campaign won't resort to.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

You must be channeling Isaac from the Dome

Your take on this doesn't match my experience on the Chapel Hill Town Council, not even close. Nor does it pass the smell test that one member of a Commission has a substantive report that others don't even know about.

I've answered this over at the Dome and don't have much more to add . . . except to say that I'm right and you're wrong.

:)

Just kidding. I don't know if I'm right, but I think my view of how information is generally shared on boards and commissions is closer to correct than yours.

PS By the way, this is just as much a real issue as anything else that's happened in this campaign, which is to say . . . not much of one. No more or less real than the resume wars, the challenges of conflicts of interest, and everything else these two have been throwing at each other. The Dome has covered them all.

But if you think Beverly Perdue is the low-road player, you either (1) haven't been paying attention or (2) you have different standards for her than you do for Richard Moore. I suspect I've read every story and blog post on these two candidates that's been published over the past year. Singling out the Perdue campaign for behaving badly is absurd.

Ok slugger

My experience is working with local governments and the General Assembly, specifically with the League of Municipalities and the Association of County Commissioners when they are AT the General Assembly telling the state to back off.

I can't say that i've been following the candidates as long as you have, but I've been pretty interested. And I couldn't vouch for Moore wearing a halo -- I just don't know the man or the politician that well. What I do know is that this is a bogus issue and that Perdue knows it's a bogus issue.

P. S. Say, that Isaac feller shore seems smart!

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

interesting comment

Last night, in an "exit" interview, Bill Richardson said that the candidates like each other; it's the staffs that hate each other.

I wonder how much of the uglies we've seen between the two campaigns of two working state officials has been caused by that factor.

If it's true, they both need to read their staff the riot act. If it's not, I need more coffee (which is true in either case).

For what it's worth - I think that if the commission thought they needed something that Moore had, they should have grown the hell up and asked for it. And if they didn't get it, they should have requested it again. It shouldn't have been that difficult. This guy - Joist? Is that his name? Sounds like a whiny brat who is afraid it's all going to come down on him (which it is) that his commission did show the sense God gave a goat before they gave Parton OPM (other people's money).

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Small but important point

I think that if the commission thought they needed something that Moore had, they should have grown the hell up and asked for it.

That's silly. That would be like me (a city council member) having to ask my Mayor every time I vote if she has some background information about the vote that I don't know about and if she does, would she please share it. Maybe it works that way in your city, but in Chapel Hill, everyone is usually working from the same base of knowledge.

From what I can tell from Joines (the mayor of Winston-Salem), he didn't know about the information Moore had. If I'm wrong and he DID know about the information and chose to ignore it, well that would mean I'm full of crap. And it wouldn't be the first time.

The information

But you keep speaking of this information as thought it contained a bombshell. It didn't. And the purpose of the report was routine -- which is for the STATE to determine whether the local govt could do what it said it wanted to do. It did say that.

The relationship of the commission to the sec.of state's office is not like that of a mayor to her council. It's like a state government body which has a very minor role in this process, it's own staff, mission and responsibilities, and a commission which has its own as well. They don't work together like a mayor and council at all. For the Sec of State's office to intervene in the commission process by saying, "hey by the way, since you guys probably don't know what you're doing, I'm going to send you this document because we think you didn't do you own homework" would have been 1. insulting 2. out of line and 3. ineffective.

Does anyone really believe that the contents of a report that says that YES, the local government can do what it says it can do would have caused Joines to stand up and tell Roanoke Rapids "NO, don't go forward?"

No way. The pretense that there was some special element of shocking import in that feasibility study that would have derailed Roanoke Rapids from its plans is what is silly.

P. S. These columns are getting skinnier and skinnier!!!!!

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

I don't think there's a bombshell

I wouldn't care if the report was nothing but a recipe for cheesecake. Everybody should have had the same information. Period.

the only justification for making it an issue would be

that the report contained something unusual. The bottom line is (da SKINNY is)that if what has been the practice all this time is now to be changed, fine, let it be changed.

But to try to blame Moore for what was local government's project, local government's responsibility, local government's decision, and local government's screw up because Moore didn't do something he wasn't asked to do, wouldn't have by longstanding practice be expected to do, and which would have made him look like an ass had he done it, is weak, weak, weak as a campaign issue for Perdue.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

You're still getting it wrong

this is about sharing information, not what the information is. It's not Moore's job to decide whether other members should have information or not.

But this discussion (between us) isn't about the report. You like Moore and you see this through "Moore-colored glasses." I'm supporting Perdue, and tend to give her the benefit of doubt.

I honestly don't think the two differ much on issues, which is why they've both resorted to crap like this. It may be a weak campaign issue, but Moore's hands are just as dirty. His chiding Perdue during the debate for being born in Virginia was stupid.

I'm done. Happy Fried Day!

I just want to see...

...how skinny these columns can get.

well...

pretty skinny I guess! :-)

can't breathe

I can generally fit into small spaces but oh geez. DAMN you Anglico!!!!! (she uttered one last squeak before expiring for lack of breathing space -- and -- some might say wasting her last breath!)

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

stop

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

stop what

One of the pitfalls of childhood is that one doesn't have to understand something to feel it. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

j'accuse

Anglico strangled me!

(ok, that really was my last breath)

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

re: perdue and moore

They've both made it clear that it's politics as usual. :/ To me at this point it won't matter who wins. I want to say they're just NCDP, but I give NCDP a lot more credit than that, so I guess I want to say they're small scale DNC.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi