Live Chat on the VP Debate

Welcome to our second live chat discussion groups for the vice presidential debate. We are offering this as an alternative for those who would rather not participate in the CoverItLive thread.

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No matter what.

No matter what happens in tonight's debate, I have one single hope.

It's not just my hope that Palin might actually provide us with a complete and thoughtful sentence, or a hope that Joe Biden can hold off long enough to keep his foot out of his mouth for 90 minutes.

ALL I hope is that one of them, shit - perhaps even BOTH OF THEM, address the fact that lately our beautiful America hasn't really been doing much for Americans these days. And it sucks.

American spectacle!

The world watches as we showcase our vast diversity. Only in America could a hard core theocratic get her dirty little fingers the red button that could destroy the world in a matter of minutes.

No wait. I think they're trying to do that Iran too.
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I am so confused

I just signed this thingie, this thingie where I registered, but now I don't know where I'm supposed to be.

Is this where I'm supposed to be?

Not yet, sweetie

The CoverItLive live blog will start at 8:45. Once I start it....and I might go ahead and get it opened so we can get you set up. Let me get it started and go to your account at CIL and let's see if you can find it. It might be hard to find if the thing hasn't been started. I haven't been on your end before.



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Drunk already, Bru? Drop down a thread if you prefer the fast paced/less thoughtful chat-room style liveblog. Stick around here if you enjoy substance and thought, rather than Palin jokes and drinking games.

CHRISTOPHER!

No, I'm not "drunk already." I just got out of an exam and I'm mostly brain dead.

I'm also not technologically savvy past anything that happened after 1978.

Hi everyone. We can meet back here if you are on the other chat

After the Coveritlive chat this will be a great place for more thoughtful commentary.



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Thoughtful commentary

our strong suit!

HA!

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CoverItLive is having problems again

We may wind up here afterall.

OK...nice touch that she asked if she could call him Joe.



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I'm sorry the other live blog chat is showing that it is full

There are only a handful of us in there. My fear is that CoverItLive has become so popular that they can't handle the traffic. I will be monitoring this thread and I'm sure others will join us here.



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Brain Hurts

Past is prologue - damn straight. With every Palin response I feel like I lose another thousand brain cells.

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

My brain hurts too

...and while her answers pretty much suck, she hasn't tossed her cookies on the stage which means she wins.



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She doesn't know what the question is

What is her Achilles heel? She has no idea what she's answering.



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He wasn't going to let her own the "mom" thing

He does understand.



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Over here

This thread has a 12 comment lead on the cached version

Bipartisan

By partisan more likely.

CNN panel gives it to Joe Biden

The dial group...not pundits.



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Whew!!

Joe stayed on message, no big bloopers, clear, coherent, concise. A miracle! And the CNN instapoll agrees: 51% said Biden did better in the debate, 36% said Palin did.

As expected, damn near everybody who watched (84%) said Palin exceeded expectations. The good news for Dems was that most people said the same of Biden too (64% said he exceeded expectations).

By the way, Debate Coach rang in as the debate was signing off, just crowing. He said both of his pupils did what he told them to do, as a result they both "won", and he was figuratively dancing in the street. He says that his consulting fee has just doubled. Good grief, the old coot is going to be insufferable for the next week.

Bottom line result: No significant change in the race from this debate. Palin stops the bleeding from her perceived incompetence. Biden hammers on the economy and doesn't screw up. He also comes off as human in a positive fashion--probably the only surprise of the night to this observer.

Tie between the veeps. Back to business as usual. Throwing the contest back to the top of the ticket, where Obama is eating McCain's lunch on the economy.

Dan Besse

Dan Besse

"Say it ain't So Joe!" Palin steals from Shoeless Joe?

I like the part where old Joe almost shed a tear when talking about his sons being in the hospital....... After watching Palin running her mouth about Iraq. I am totaly convince that Todd [her macho husband] should be in Iraq instead of her first born

Vegas says Biden took the contest by 30 points and Palin corner the Polar Bear vote by 3 points, pending global warming weather reports.

The Funny moment of the debate was when Palin use the " Say it ain't So Joe" comment, she had no idea who made that comment and what text it was in. No doubt the Republican Coaches thought it was cute.

Debate Thoughts

Pat Buchanan's praise aside, Biden won the debate. As I told Andrew Sullivan, Biden came in with a muzzle. Their hope was that Palin would flub so badly that Biden could simply answer the questions and glide to victory.

Palin's poise (even as she spouted bullshit) caught Biden off guard at first. It caught me off guard as well.

Biden, after realizing this, took off the muzzle and pikced her apart. The ironic thing is, in two debates, the Democrats have won hands-down on foreign policy, McCain's supposed strong suit.

All in all, we had a VP candidate who can adjust to the circumstances, and one who can merely stick to talking points and fluff.

Caribou Barbie mispronounced "nuclear"

Did anyone hear Caribou Barbie mispronounce the word "nuclear" in last
night's debate?

I was at a party with 5 other college-educated Democrats who all heard
her give it the "Dumbya" pronunciation "nuke-u-lar", but with her Alaska
Soccer-Mom accent.

I heard her do it not just once, but every time she said the word - had to be 5 times or more.

Why didn't the pundits catch it? Or where they too busy watching her
flirt with them and wink at the camera, or staring at her silhouette and
admiring her figure?

Palin and nuclear.

Not many people picked up on this, from her September 3rd prepared speech transcript:

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more new-clear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.

Yes, they spelled it phonetically so she would not say Nuke-u-ler.

"The striking difference between me and my opponent is that I live in North Carolina and my husband can vote for me."
- Sen. Kay Hagan

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Polls showed

that Gidget cleared the low bar set for her. Unfortunately, she didn't clear the high bar set for being vice president of the United States, the only bar that matters.
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Housekeeping note

I thoroughly enjoy the CoverItLive chats. However, there were only about 8 of us on the chat last night and it was showing full on the front page. That effectively shut out any visitors to the site and I had invited quite a few people to join us. The demand on the CIL site is what is causing this and there is no need to stop using the product for other purposes, but I'm not sure it is what is best for the next couple of debates. The product is simply too popular. That's great for them and they may be able to address the issues, but we won't use the product if it shuts out visitors from the chat.

I'll let you know if I hear back from CIL about steps they are taking to accommodate all the traffic. If nothing is done, then we will more than likely stick with our regular discussion threads unless I find a drupal module that will work.



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Why aren't more people going NEW CLEAR on Palin's

grab for more power as veep? She just announced that not only was the Bush/Cheney criminal administration right on claiming Unitary President, but she wants the veep powers increased? Goddess have mercy!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Progressive Discussions

Look for it Saturday night

My guess is that you've picked the leading theme for the next SNL installment on Palin. Perhaps Tina Fey will wear shoulder epaulets, mirror shades and a high-peaked cap as La Vice Presidenta Palin presiding over the Senate.

Dan Besse

Dan Besse

my friend was telling me

My friend was telling me that he noticed that Biden referred to the next administration as the Obama administration and that Palin referred to the next presidency as the McCain-Palin presidency.

I wonder if that is the campaign's idea, or Palin's.

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A telling slip

Freud would love it. Cue the Darth Vader theme music.

Dan Besse

Dan Besse

on purpose maybe?

I was told that Palin used the term "McCain-Palin presidency" repeatedly, which would imply on purpose.

I'll check the transcript.

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McCain-Palin administration

Yup, she uses the term "McCain-Palin administration" 3 times and never refers to a McCain administration or a McCain presidency. (I used regular expressions to check, so I'm reasonably confident.)

So now the question is, is this Palin self-promotion or campaign strategy?

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Former Republican Jack Dawsey gives his view of Debate

VP Debate‏
From: Jack Dawsey (dawseyjh@embarqmail.com)
Sent: Fri 10/03/08 12:36 AM
To: Max The Dog

In my last email (not that you're interesting in my take on the debate), but I asks the following question. "Are you going to watch the debate tonight? I'm expecting Ms Palin to generate a whole lot of HEAT, but no light. What do you think?"
Accordingly, I think I should offer my take, and I would be interesting in hearing yours.

First, I'm glad Ms Palin did not fall flat on her face, and freeze up (as she did on the Katie Couric interview). Also, I'm glad that she, (at least on one or two questions from Ms. Gwen Ifill), was able to "muscle" her way through the questions, albeit she was a bit wordy at times and evasive on some questions. She certainly succeeded and deserves "points" with respect to landing on her feet. And I must say with respect to "energy" and "personality" she exuded. I suspect many voters, (maybe most voters, who knows), likes that aspect of a person more than a response in substance. But is she VP material and possible Presidential? In my opinion, we'll all know that answer by this time next week because the polls will be overwhelmingly one way or another.

But as to substance, gravitas, and actually answering the questions in depth and breadth, it was Biden, hands down. But there again, some voters may not prefer substance. They may want that colloquial, feel good, folksy, and gosh darn'it, coming-atcha' approach to major complex issues. Who really knows what the voter will ultimately decide? Again, I think the polls will shift dramatically in less than 7-days, and it'll be over BEFORE November 4th.

As for me, having spent 35-years in DoD and knowing how complex most government issues are, I prefer the Biden gravitas approach. For me, it boils down to this: (a) Put a VP in place who "knows" how to deal with complex issues, (and Lord knows they are getting worse and more complex every day), or (b) Send Gigjet to Washington.

I thought the worst part - the scariest part

was that Palin thought that the Veep had a "special" place, sort of outside the executive and outside of the legislative. She and McCain want to keep the Cheney-esque charade of a 4th branch of government. That's scary. Remember, she told Katie Couric that the only thing she thought Dick Cheney did wrong was shoot an old guy in the face - and it was an accident, "wasn't it unfortunate that it got played up so much..." I don't care how much she smiles and winks, that is some scary shit right there. Really scary shit.

I was glad when Biden shot that down immediately by citing the Constitution. Of course Palin glibly disagreed, but without any sources to back it up. By the second half of the debate I kept saying "Go, Joe!"

I didn't have internet access - which sucked, so I used twitter on my phone, and had a great time watching the dueling journalists - Binker and Beckwith put on quite a show. I liked the coverage that both of them did, but I've got to say, there were a lot of times that Binker typed what I was thinking. That might be scary, too - to Binker!

Truly Scary

Cheney is evil, but at least he is qualified. Could you imagine putting Palin in Cheney's shoes? Someone who is evil AND unqualified with that power? Its bad enough with Cheney, Palin having that power is horrifying.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

VEEP Debate

Biden won this one hands down because he was well-prepared and thoughtful with his answers. Palin appeared to me as being overwhelmed by her inabilities to convey single coherent sentences into direct answers.

This VP debate was over for me within the first five minutes.

Zackly

I gotta hand it to her ... she's a quick study. She memorized a whole bunch of talking points in a few short weeks.

But we've learned over the past eight years that that's not a good substitute for thinking.

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