Launch of Trianglopic "Try-an-glop-ic Triangle + Opical= Trianglopic

The legislature has gone right up to the door of ethics reform and then it seems they all just went home. State employees and agencies are operating without any effective oversight and are not subject to ethical, and in many instances, legal sanctions. These loopholes have given safe-harbor to those that would bend and break the law. On Feb 1, Trianglopic will profile some of these people and agencies. We are currently working on copy for the new launch.
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Thank you for putting this in it's own post

This is an open forum and don't usually get picky about staying on topic, but traffic has picked up and inserting off-topic graphics or youtube links, etc is going to start getting in the way of on-topic conversations. At some point I'd like to read some facts and specifics to back up the eye-catching graphics. I'll be the first to admit I'm completely ignorant of Jack Nichols' transgressions.



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So far it's just smears

And the method tells me more about the folks behind the smears than it does about Nichols. It's frankly a disgusting tactic.

If one of Ron Paul's problems is his followers, one of Nichols' advantages may be his enemies.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

I can understand your

I can understand your skepticism, but we will post on Feb 1 after we get all our facts straight. After that, it will be a testiment to YOUR objectivity in how you respond to the facts. Here's one thing that we are working on:

ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGES- IN NEED OF OVERSIGHT?A 2001 study of more than 3,400 cases brought before the N.C. Office of Administrative Hearings by state residents upset by state agency actions showed that for every 100 residents...
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...the Administrative Law Judges ruled in favor of only about 24...
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...then the agencies, which are not legal bound to accept the decision, accepted the ALJ decision only about half the time...
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...Some of the affected citizens then took their cases to court...
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...and of those who did, only 8 percent won, or about 1 in 100.
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ISSUE: If N.C. residents, in very large numbers feel that the system is stacked against them: 1)Shouldn't the decision of the ALJ be binding on both the resident and the agency? 2)Or shouldn't the citizen have the right to by-pass the ALJ stage and go directly to court? 3)and as a minimum, shouldn't the ALJs be subject to oversight by the Judicial Standards Commission-LIKE EVERY OTHER JUDGE IN N.C.?
http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/nov01/daye1110101.htm
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4182/is_19991029/ai_n10132257

I wouldn't post anything until

I got all my facts together.

But that's just me.

What you're doing right now damages your credibility in my eyes. It's too bad, really, because you might have something important to say.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Dialogue

We can all disagree as to the tactics that engage dialogue, but if the substance is not there, I believe the electorate will be smart enough to know. It is a long time until election day. You may want it all out there now or not at all, but we don't all believe as you do.

I don't know either guy.

Why should I? Is this a local Raleigh thing? An intra party squabble?

The math teacher in me is having trouble with this line ...

... only 8 percent won, or about 1 in 100

8 percent means 8 out of 100. Even if you go by the pictures, it would be 1 out of 6, which would be about 16%. These statistical shenanigans give your little run-down up there a certain odor.

Person County Democrats

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?

Do the math?

If you read the study (http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/nov01/daye1110101.htm)you will come away with the realiziation that ANY agency without appropriate checks and balances, will tend to stray. For the most part, judges can't be sued, can't really be challenged and there is little oversight into who they work or play with, but at least they have the Judicial Standards Commission looking over them. The NC Office of Administrative Hearings aren't covered by the commission. They make decisions that govern EVERY aspect of our lives and are we to say that they require less oversight than other judges? If the graphic and the numbers are slightly off, I apologize, but if that is all you came away with after reading that article...well...I still apologize...to the math teacher in you.

Do the math? 2

A review of the study and my math tells me (an I aint no math teacher) that 8% of 6 (and the 6 is an estimate -study says some of the affected...) is 0.48 people. Can't cut anyone in half so I'll go with 1 person. Numbers aside, unless most NC citizens that complain about a state agency are crazy, the system NEEDS OVERSIGHT.

1 out of 6 is between 16% and 17%,

and 1 out of 100 is, you know, 1%.

You might think that this is beside the point, but you leaned heavily on statistics to make your point, so...live by the sword, die by the sword.

I will admit to not knowing who Jack Nichols is.

and I've got enough going on at work and in my life to know that I don't have time to go look him up. If you want me to care about him and his transgressions, post more about it than a sensational graphic and a cryptic post.

I don't have the time for this kind of mess.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

He ran against Art Pope and lost

back in 2000(?), and now he's running again. The other Dem in the race is (I think) Josh Stein, but I'm not sure who the Republicans are putting up (state Senate).

Point well taken

He ran and lost twice before. His ads highlight that as county commissioner, he did this and that, but that was 18 years ago. Even without any potentially ethical issues, he remains a flawed candidate as compared to Stein. Stein's resume eclipes Nichols hands down. We can't hand another win to a Republican in an effort to see if Nichols can somehow pull out a win...this time.

So this is not really an "anti-campaign"

by a non-aligned "concerned citizen" (as was professed earlier), it's an effort by a Josh Stein supporter to attack his same-party (Democratic) opposition. Or it's...something else that I won't speculate on (yet).

Stein's resume eclipes Nichols hands down.

Then show us that.

Good God Man

If this is the sort of b.s. Josh Stein supports, I can't tell you how turned off I am by Josh Stein. Here I was wondering who I'd support, and now you give me the distinct impression that Stein is behind this godawful smear tactic.

I think it would be very interesting if Josh Stein himself were to show up on this blog and say what he thinks about the kind of smears you and "KeepJackinTheBox" are posting. It's really disgusting.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Stein

I don't know Stein, haven't met him and only compared his stats on his net profile to Nichols. Motive is not to support either candidate, its to highlight our disapproval of the Nichols campaign. Voters will ultimately decide.

We decide


We're still not as gullible as you seem to think we are.

Stein has nothing to do with this

Josh Stein and his campaign have nothing to do with these strange attacks on Jack Nichols. Who they're coming from and what they're about are as much a mystery to him as any of us. Josh is committed to running a positive, issues oriented campaign so please do not hold him responsible for any of this.

I know

I know Josh Stein has nothing to do with this. This is a person with a personal grievance against a state agency. The agency's legal counsel is Jack Nichols. I am letting that person know that we know.

WHILE YOU ARE AT IT

What happened down at that state agency? You gonna tell us or do we have to wait until Feb 1?

Stat

I'll get right on that!

Only 16 days left to write up the chart.

Hmmm

Interesting graphic, but I kinda like this one better:
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Good to hear

Given the people I know who are supporting Stein, it would come as a surprise if he supported this garbage. I assume that Greg has it pegged as coming from some wackoes with a grudge against Nichols that dates back a ways.

I don't have any strong inclinations one way or the other when it comes to Nichols or Stein, except that my instincts are so offended by the kind of attacks that have been mounted against Nichols that I can't help feeling some bias in his favor.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Stein-way

Stein has nothing to do with any of this. This is between Nichols, us and the voters.

I really resent BlueNC being used as a venue for a vendetta.

No, check that. I resent BlueNC being used as a venue for a vendetta without having the facts all present. Of which state agency are you speaking? What was the problem? What is Nichols involvement? What is your problem? State it out in a forthright manner, like a grown-up, or stop wasting time and bandwidth.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi

Cheap stunt

The idea is to create interest in their personal vendetta. It's a grudge, and as such, it lacks appeal, so they are hoping to create the appeal by posting these teasers. From all appearances to date it would appear that the "crime" Nichols committed was that this group was on the losing end of litigation, and they're blaming Nichols personally.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

....and for some reason

he/she/they thought we were stupid and easily manipulated. Heh

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Somewhat off-topic...

But I hereby demand both Betsy and lcloud withdraw their initial claims of both "pretty photoshopped trappings" and a "sensational graphic." Come on now, ladies. Need I show you the creative jewel that is MSPaint?