Kissell v Hayes, NC-08 - Waiting......Waiting...... (UPDATE)

It was a long cold rainy day and worth every minute of it. There are so many people who have worked so very, very hard for this day. Win or not, this has been an amazing experience and one I will not forget for the rest of my life.

Larry is up in Mecklenburg County and I'm checking the different counties. I'll post some stories from today in a bit. I need to check for some numbers.


In checking individual counties I can only find Stanly County results which typically goes for Hayes with 70% of the vote. He's at 62% with 24 of 28 precincts reporting.

Mecklenburg is only showing early voting numbers still.

Many of the counties do not have their own web sites, so it's a bit tough to find them all.

Typically, minority and smaller town boxes come in last and those should favor Larry. Don't get discouraged yet.


I'm having a hard time logging in. I will keep trying, but don't know how much patience I'll have.

Anson has reported in with 3370 for Kissell and 2119 for Hayes.

Stanly is reporting 26 of 28 precincts in with 6033 votes for Larry and 9452 for Hayes. It is a narrower margin that Hayes has enjoyed in the past in Stanly County.

Cumberland, Hoke and Scotland - can't find online results for them.


We're still waiting for a portion of Mecklenburg, but I don't know if the margin will be enough to close. Most of the smaller counties are not available online. I know that Union, Cabarrus and Stanly have all reported in and they are the Republican strongholds.


Wow. This is close. I can happily report that Robin Hayes will not win one - NOT ONE precinct in Mecklenburg County. I'm not sure the number of votes is there to make up for Stanly and Cabarrus. The precinct that I worked - 205 - is the only precinct that Hayes has won for the two cycles Meck has been part of the district. Larry Kissell won that precinct by a handful of votes. It makes the aches and chills worth it.

9:24am on Wednesday

More Kissell votes have been found. The difference between the two has narrowed to 346 votes. The totals at SBOE now stand at 61,168 for Hayes and 60,822 for Kissell. Let's count those provisionals!



It's tight.

Which precincts will be late? Are they Larry's strong holds?

Good to see you.

51% in

Robin Hayes (i) (R) 35,625 52%
Larry Kissell (D) 32,342 48%
Precincts Reporting - 51%

Win or Lose,

Larry has renewed my excitement about politics. I get excited about policy, but almost never about candidates. Sure, I get a little misty-eyed thinking of the Big Dog's day, and I was a little high on Gore on my way out of An Inconvenient Truth, the Larry is the only candidate who has reduced me to sounding like a giddy kiddy.


CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

130 of 205 reporting

Hayes 52.32%
Kissell 47.68%

Larry will need a big late surge.

"If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind."-Kurt Vonnegut


Robin Hayes (i) (R) 52,300 51%
Larry Kissell (D) 49,798 49%
Precincts Reporting - 82%

My poor fingernails

are bitten off. At least they called NC-11 for Shuler. That's one in the bag.

I am so proud of Heath Shuler

and all of the people who helped elect him. There were a lot of Republicans crossing over tonight.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

We may have Robin Hayes to kick around

Meck is 3/4 in, and has been going about 2:1 for Larry. Cumberland county is about 3/5 in, and has been going about 2:1 for Hayes. The other counties are all in. I don't know much about the relative populations, but there would have to be a hell of a lot of votes coming in from Meck in the end count to get Larry over the hump. I'd really like to be wrong about this.

I misread the Cumberland numbers before

Hayes' margin there is much lower. Cumberland's nearly all in, and Larry needs to find 2,200 more votes than Hayes in that last 25% of Meck.


Robin Hayes (i) (R) 56,200 51%
Larry Kissell (D) 54,626 49%
Precincts Reporting - 90%


U.S. House (District 8)
Robin Hayes (R) * 58704
Larry Kissell (D) 56737
194 of 205 precincts reporting

I don't know them for

I don't know them for certain, but if it stays within one percentage point, then I'm sure that regardless of who comes out on top after all precincts report tonight, there'll be a recount.

US House NC District 8 200

US House NC District 8
200 of 205 (98%) precincts reporting (updated: 11:42pm)
Win Name Party Incumb Votes %
ROBIN HAYES GOP 58,704 51%

Actually, technically that

Actually, technically that should read as 50% to 49%, no?

The state board can order a recount whenever they want

In addition:

Mandatory Recounts for Ballot Items Within the Jurisdiction of the State Board of Elections. – In a ballot item within the jurisdiction of the State Board of Elections, a candidate shall have the right to demand a recount of the votes if the difference between the votes for that candidate and the votes for a prevailing candidate are not more than the following:

  • (1) For a nonstatewide ballot item, one percent (1%) of the total votes cast in the ballot item, or in the case of a multiseat ballot item, one percent (1%) of the votes cast for those two candidates.
  • (2) For a statewide ballot item, one‑half of one percent (0.5%) of the votes cast in the ballot item, or 10,000 votes, whichever is less.

Larry would need to make a formal request before 5:00pm tomorrow. Linky

97% of Meck

I think we're just waiting on the last 3% of Mecklenburg. We've hit almost 70% there, but we wont pick up the roughly 1,600 we need.

CNN says...

CNN says:

Hayes by 468 votes with 100% reporting!

Holy shit. QUITE the

Holy shit. QUITE the development.

Holy shit, indeed!

Do we have anyone at Kissell HQ? If not, do we have a phone number?

I think cell service is

I think cell service is somewhat shotty out there, but I'm sure we'll have info soon. Surprisingly, News14 has been popping in on the HQ every now and again.

468 votes apart!

From the N&O

U.S. House (District 8)
Robin Hayes (R) * 60500
Larry Kissell (D) 60032
205 of 205 precincts reporting

Final count

U.S. House (District 8)
Robin Hayes (R) * 60500
Larry Kissell (D) 60032
205 of 205 precincts reporting

This is within 0.5%, the typical recount level.


...but I'm not in to moral victories.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Is < 0.5% difference an automatic

recount? It is, isn't it?

Anybody else need malox?

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Old Man Hayes

is on NC14 now, making the worst jokes ever. Now we calculate provisionals? I know of at least 10 provisional votes alone for Larry here in Cabarrus. Not that it's much...

12:50 AM

1700 provisional ballots in Mecklenberg Co to count tommorrow

Well then I am going to bed.

It's kind of amazing, but the thought that Larry might not win is enough to dampen my joy at all the other Dem wins tonight.

I will be up

keep sending updates.

This old man

is turning in. Looks like a few important recounts over the next few days, so I'm gong to rest up. :)

But before I go, I'd just like to say a few things:

You guys and gals are the most awesome friends in the world. I'm honored to be associated with all of you and I'm totally inspired by your energy and commitment.

The mountain contingent has been unbelievable. My hats off to each of you for never letting up for one damn second. Up Chuck is already dwindling to nothing more than a bad memory.

In NC-8, I'm optimistic that Larry will come out on top. Four hundred votes is a rounding error and Mr. Kissell has karma on his side. He is the right man for the job and you all have done everything humanly possible to help him across the finish line.


PS. I also want to offer my condolences to the Puppetmaster. He flushed hundreds of thousands down the toilet in an arrogant effort to divide and conquer our state, and all he has to show for it is a Hairdresser in the legislature. Mr. Pope and his extremist politics have been flat-out rejected. Again.

We should send a card?

I wonder if Hallmark has one that's appropriate.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Who decides when and if

provisionals are counted? Does that come before recounts? I'm all questions and no answers tonight.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

FAQ on provisionals

1. Who determines whether or not a provisional ballot is valid?
State law provides that the County Boards of Elections determine the eligibility of
provisional ballots in their jurisdictions. Each county board is made of three members, a
Chairman, Secretary, and Member. There is only one municipality with an Election Board.
They determine the validity of provisional ballots in their municipal election.
2. What is the time frame for counting provisional ballots?
State law sets the deadline for counting provisional ballots to be the County Board Canvass.
3. What is the process for determining the eligibility of a provisional ballot?
Based upon research of documentation of voter information at the County Elections Office,
the County Board of Elections approves or denies a provisional ballot.
4. Who can observe the process?
The public can observe this process as long as they do not interfere with the ongoing
operations of the County Board Office.
5. Is a provisional ballot counted if it is cast in the wrong precinct?
An otherwise valid provisional ballot cast in the wrong precinct, but the right county, will be
counted in the races for which the voter is eligible to vote.
6. What information must voters provide on the provisional ballot?
The voter provides their name, address, birth date, signature, and party affiliation, the same
data that is required to register to vote, on the provisional ballot envelope.
7. May a voter remedy a provisional ballot that may be rejected?
To have his ballot counted, the voter who cast a deficient provisional ballot must appear in
person at the county office and remedy the problem before the county canvass.

It looks like the counties have their time to count them. Do not expect anything tonight.

More votes found for Kissell

I updated this post. They found some votes somewhere. SBOE just updated about 40 minutes ago and the total is Hayes 61,168 to Kissell 60,822 for a difference of 346.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Kissell!

You will be happy to know, SD, that there were Kissell stickers on the front desk at the NCDP State HQ last night at the Victory Party. (Of course, I put one on!)

I talked with several Edwards supporters about how Edwards campaigned for Kissell and said, "Larry is not just the son of a millworker, he IS a millworker!" lol. Everyone was rooting for him.



I was there too. I wish I had known who you were.


Spread the word

I don't think that the national media outlets or bloggers have noticed that this race isn't over. The Blogometer today lists Larry as an "L". Maybe it's time to send a few emails?

So is it possible for us to

So is it possible for us to get a list of who filed provisional ballots, and where? Can we not take the next step and ask folks to go down and make sure their provisional ballots are counted? I'm not content with just sitting around and waiting. I need something to do.

Just received a press release from the NCDP

They have their lawyers working on making sure every vote is counted. I'm not sure there's anything we can do. It's tough to have to sit and wait.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Thanks for the update, SD!

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Thanks again for all of the good work you've done!