John Edwards - back to New Orleans (political cartoon)

Crossposted from Town Called Dobson


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One thing I noted in Edwards' announcement was a push to fix global warming - what WE can do. There was a lot of "we," as in "We The People" in his announcement yesterday.

To me it sounded like self-responsibility, not just for yourself but for your community. I liked that.

I wonder if the winner of this race will win by a different method than past contests? I wonder if America will reject out of hat typical politics and typical politicians. Maybe they will have had enough?

Maybe the winner will be the biggest breath of fresh air, maybe the winner will reflect, in their heart the America, the Citizens yearn for?

Maybe the playbook has been thrown out the window and it is a whole new game - and no one knows it yet?

Whatever the case, I figured something out about myself on a subconscious level. Edwards' is the only one in the race or close to running whose web site I read for any period of time. That must count for something.

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Oh...this is my favorite!



Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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so classic.

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Another Good One Stormbear

will you be able to come to Chapel Hill on Saturday?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Yeah Storm, are you going to come?

C.Diane suggested we meet at the Pizza place on the corner....read Roberts suggestion. We've gotta decide where the BlueNC crowd will meet. I'm a follower so someone needs to lead on this.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

I'm volunteering

so I'll be there before 2. Not sure what I'll be doing, since the volunteer meeting isn't till tonight.

I know lcloud will be coming, how about you George Pence?

who else will be coming....any suggestions on where our group will get together?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Other Dems from Moore Co

will be there, too, Mo. Much excitement to be had up Carthage way. :-D

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

WooooHoooo Moore County Representing!

I'm going out on a limb here, but I say we do as C.Diane suggested and meet at the pizza shop on the corner across from the square, she suggests 3:45 PM...what say you all?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Sounds good to me

Although I think earlier might be better. Check your email, Mo.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

I'll be there...

I'll be there... George Wilson, our county party chair called, said he had tickets and asked me to come along. I sure would love to meet the other BlueNCer's... it would be great if we could touch bases somewhere.

I'm 56 years old. I moved to North Carolina five years ago. The previous twenty-five years I spent as a resident of Chicago's north shore and before that Wisconsin, Utah and California. I live in Moore County. My Congressman is Howard Coble, my State Sen

Edwards and Icebergs

We've known for months that Edwards was running but the rest of the country got to find out for sure yesterday.

We've know for a long time about global warming but only noticed yesterday that an enormous section of ice-shelf broke free and is now a drifting island. From CNN

Ancient ice shelf snaps, breaks free from Canadian Arctic

TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- A giant ice shelf the size of 11,000 football fields has snapped free from Canada's Arctic, scientists said.

The mass of ice broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about 800 kilometers (497 miles) south of the North Pole, but no one was present to see it in Canada's remote north.

Scientists using satellite images later noticed that it became a newly formed ice island in just an hour and left a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.

Does Edwards really have a chance?

I think there are enough people with the common sense not to vote for Edwards. He is just another politician that will sell out in a heart beat. He is from the south, yet he is totally against Southern Heritage. If he can't even stand up for his own rights how is he going to stand up for anyone else's.

Stormbear, This may suprise

Stormbear,

This may suprise you but there are actually black folks that live in the South. Some even fought with the South against the free and slave states that invaded the South in the War Between the States.

This will really knock your socks off. Blacks even fought in the Revolutionary War, when all 13 colonies had slaves.

Here is a bit of well intended advice. Do some research you will be suprised at how much Blacks have done for the South. I know that it is easier just to go with the status quo. But, being honest and truthfull is the best course even if it isn't the easy course.

Methinks

someone doesn't understand sarcasm.

C.Diane,

C.Diane,

I understand sarcasm. But, alot of people even Southerners really believe that the Republicans came down South to free the slaves from the evil Democrats.

At least Blue NC is still proud on North Carolina's Confederate Heritage. They have the single star on the blue field that was on the original and the current NC state flag. It was put on the flag to represent the state leaving the Union.

I interpreted stormbear's comment

as a sarcastic approach to the lingering racism in the south.

Dexter, Can you explain

what you mean by that? I am not being sarcastic, I am asking because I do not understand your point. What do you mean by "Southern Heritage" exactly? And in what way has Edwards not stood up for his own rights?

I mean that Mr. Edwards has

I mean that Mr. Edwards has made negative remarks about the Confederate Battle Flag and other symbols of the Confederacy. I called his office when he was a senator and complained about him putting down his own heritage (he had ancestors that fought for the Confederate States of America). I got the same old tired lines about how divisive the flag is etc., etc. The same things that are said about the Confederate Flag could be said about the United States Flag and with more reasons behind it.

When I said that he has not stood up for his rights, I was talking about standing up for his heritage and his family’s heritage. We need a president that isn’t going to back down when the going gets rough. If he can’t even stand up for his own flesh and blood, then I just can’t see him taking a stand for our country.

I wasn't going to respond to you

and I hope you won't take it the wrong way....but I think you are nuts.

I'm proud of my southern heritage, but I won't have anything to do with a flag that is revered by the KKK. It isn't a matter of it being divisive. It's a matter of my having enough strength of character to walk away from something I would rather embrace simply because I loathe and despise the KKK and all it stands for. They can have the damned flag.



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Nuts?

You're getting soft-hearted in your old age, SD. I can think of at least a dozen more suitable adjectives . . . all of which would conflict with my next year's resolution of swearing only under duress.

You Go, Girl!!

n/t

Lovex7

The KKK also flys the US

The KKK also flys the US flag and the Christian flag. I guess you don't fly them either?

Are you just going to roll over everytime they decide to take something?

No, but I will choose

to turn my back in a very dignified manner. Some things they can't take away. Some things just aren't worth fighting for anymore. You can be proud of your heritage without a symbol or piece of cloth backing you up. Some people need their pacifiers and others are confident enough to go through life without them. I guess you are of the pacifier and noogie crowd.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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the confederate battle flag is nothing of the sort.

the symbol of racism that so many southerners fly was never flown in a civil war battle in the style and size now sold to them.

If you want to show pride in the confederate army, then at least fly the blue bonnie and not the ridiculous stars & bars. Or, better yet, if you really must, go invest in a banner from your state's individual units.

NC Defend Health Care

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
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The Battle Flag and the

The Battle Flag and the Stars and Bars are two different flags. The Stars and Bars was the first flag of the Confederacy and it looked alot like the US Flag but in battle it caused too much confusion. So, they changed to the Battle Flag with the St. Andrews cross on it, to show thier Christian religion. If you are going to put something down. At least get your facts straight first. That is the problem with people that attack Southern Heritage, they really don't know what they are talking about. They know the myths but not the facts.

What are you doing here?

Seriously, what do you want?

If your intention is to promote your so-called "southern heritage," please go do it somewhere else, or at least learn how to spell - or is that part of your southern heritage, too?

And if you're just trying to be a pain in the butt, well, you're doing a fine job.

I am just trying to make

I am just trying to make sure everyone knows how Edwards stands so that they can make an informed vote in the primaries. The best person for the job needs to run against the Republican candidate and someone without a backbone isn’t the right one. An informed voter is the best voter.

We got off on the Southern Heritage thing because some people that are ignorant of history decided to chime in.

Dexter

I don't think he's going after the white bigot and KKK vote. Thank goodness!

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Is it OK to be embarrassed

Is it OK to be embarrassed by your heritage?

Why should I stand up for a heritage that promoted slavery?

Where is the nobility in that?

I can see the stupidity.

It's the same blind patriotism that characterizes this administration and its supporters

What Heritage are you

What Heritage are you talking about the US heritage that had slavery for over 80 years or the Confederate heritage that banned the importing of slaves from Africa in their Constitution?

Or the Confederate Heritage where states left the Union...

... because they wanted to keep slavery?

And don't give me the bullshit about "it wasn't about slavery." The Civil War was ALL about slavery. In the secession documents the States sent to Congress stating their reasons for leaving, they never mentioned "states rights" they mentioned slavery.

Hell, the Southern states even termed the conflict as "the slave-holding versus the non slave-holding states."

Confederate Heritage = I Love Slavery.

Grow up.

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Let me quote the South Carolina Convention

Actually you must be talking about the Kansas-Nebraska Act which formed those territories. This was before Lincoln became president BTW. This started way before Lincoln became President. The SC Convention was almost a full eight years before he took the oath of office.

The South Carolina Convention
April, 26, 1852

These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.

Also from the Convention...

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States.

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No wrong again. Here is a

No wrong again. Here is a link to what I am talking about. http://www.geocities.com/ghostamendment/

Just so you know here are the reasons for the war:

1. TARIFF--Prior to the war about 75% of the money to operate the Federal
Government was derived from the Southern States via an unfair sectional
tariff on imported goods and 50% of the total 75% was from just 4 Southern
states--Virginia-North Carolina--South Carolina and Georgia. Only 10%--20%
of this tax money was being returned to the South. The Southern states were
being treated as an agricultural colony of the North and bled dry. John
Randolph of Virginia's remarks in opposition to the tariff of 1820
demonstrates that fact. The North claimed that they fought the war to
preserve the Union but the New England Industrialists who were in control of
the North were actually supporting preservation of the Union to maintain and
increase revenue from the tariff. The industrialists wanted the South to pay
for the industrialization of America at no expense to themselves. Revenue
bills introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives prior to the War
Between the States were biased, unfair and inflammatory to the South.
Abraham Lincoln had promised the Northern industrialists that he would
increase the tariff rate if he was elected president of the United States.
Lincoln increased the rate to a level that exceeded even the "Tariff of
Abominations" 40% rate that had so infuriated the South during the 1828-1832
era ( between 50 and 51% on iron goods). The election of a president that
was Anti-Southern on all issues and politically associated with the New
England industrialists, fanatics, and zealots brought about the Southern
secession movement.

2. CENTRALIZATION VERSUS STATES RIGHTS---The United States of America was
founded as a Constitutional Federal Republic in 1789 composed of a Limited
Federal Government and Sovereign States. The North wanted to and did alter
the form of Government this nation was founded upon. The Confederate States
of America fought to preserve Constitutional Limited Federal Government as
established by America’s founding fathers who were primarily Southern
Gentlemen from Virginia. Thus Confederate soldiers were fighting for rights
that had been paid for in blood by their forefathers upon the battlefields
of the American Revolution. Abraham Lincoln had a blatant disregard for The
Constitution of the United States of America. His War of aggression Against
the South changed America from a Constitutional Federal Republic to a
Democracy ( with Socialist leanings ) and broke the original Constitution.
The infamous Socialist Karl Marx sent Lincoln a letter of congratulations
after his reelection in 1864. A considerable number of European Socialists
came to America and fought for the Union (North).

3. CHRISTIANITY VERSUS SECULAR HUMANISM--The South believed in basic
Christianity as presented in the Holy Bible.The North had many Secular
Humanists ( atheists, transcendentalists and non-Christians ). Southerners
were afraid of what kind of country America might become if the North had
its way. Secular Humanism is the belief that there is no God and that
man,science and government can solve all problems. This philosophy advocates
human rather than religious values. Reference : Frank Conner’s book "The
South Under Siege 1830-2000."

4. CULTURAL DIFFERENCES--Southerners and Northerners were of different
Genetic Lineages. Southerners were primarily of Western English (original
Britons),Scottish,and Irish linage (Celtic) whereas Northerners tended to be
of Anglo-Saxon and Danish (Viking) extraction. The two cultures had been at
war and at odds for over 1000 years before they arrived in America. Our
ancient ancestors in Western England under King Arthur humbled the Saxon
princes at the battle of Baden Hill ( circa 497 AD --516 AD ). The cultural
differences that contributed to the War Between the States (1861-1865 ) had
existed for 1500 years or more.

5. CONTROL OF WESTERN TERRITORIES--The North wanted to control Western
States and Territories such as Kansas and Nebraska. New England formed
Immigrant Aid Societies and sent settlers to these areas that were
politically attached to the North. They passed laws against slavery that
Southerners considered punitive. These political actions told Southerners
they were not welcome in the new states and territories. It was all about
control--slavery was a scapegoat.

6. NORTHERN INDUSTRIALISTS WANTED THE SOUTH'S RESOURCES. The Northern
Industrialists wanted a war to use as an excuse to get the South's resources
for pennies on the dollar. They began a campaign about 1830 that would
influence the common people of the North and create enmity that would allow
them to go to war against the South. These Northern Industrialists brought
up a morality claim against the South alleging the evils of slavery. The
Northern Hypocrites conveniently neglected to publicize the fact that 5 New
England States ( Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Rhode Island,
and New York ) were primarily responsible for the importation of most of the
slaves from Africa to America. These states had both private and state owned
fleets of ships.

7. SLANDER OF THE SOUTH BY NORTHERN NEWSPAPERS. This political cause ties
in to the above listed efforts by New England Industrialists. Beginning
about 1830 the Northern Newspapers began to slander the South. The
Industrialists used this tool to indoctrinate the common people of the
North. They used slavery as a scapegoat and brought the morality claim up to
a feverish pitch. Southerners became tired of reading in the Northern
Newspapers about what bad and evil people they were just because their
neighbor down the road had a few slaves. This propaganda campaign created
hostility between the ordinary citizens of the two regions and created the
animosity necessary for war. The Northern Industrialists worked poor whites
in the factories of the North under terrible conditions for 18 hours a day
( including children ). When the workers became old and infirm they were
fired. It is a historical fact that during this era there were thousands of
old people living homeless on the streets in the cities of the North. In the
South a slave was cared for from birth to death. Also the diet and living
conditions of Southern slaves was superior to that of most white Northern
factory workers. Southerners deeply resented this New England hypocrisy and
slander.

8. NEW ENGLANDERS ATTEMPTED TO INSTIGATE MASSIVE SLAVE REBELLIONS IN THE
SOUTH. Abolitionists were a small but vocal and militant group in New
England who demanded instant abolition of slavery in the South. These
fanatics and zealots were calling for massive slave uprisings that would
result in the murder of Southern men, women and children. Southerners were
aware that such an uprising had occurred in Santa Domingo in the 1790 era
and that the French (white) population had been massacred. The abolitionists
published a terrorist manifesto and tried to smuggle 100,000 copies into the
South showing slaves how to murder their masters at night. Then when John
Brown raided Harpers Ferry,Virginia in 1859 the political situation became
inflammatory. Prior to this event there had been more abolition societies in the
South than in the North. Lincoln and most of the
Republican Party ( 64 members of congress ) had adopted a political platform
in support of terrorist acts against the South. Some (allegedly including
Lincoln) had contributed monetarily as supporters of John Browns terrorist
activities.. Again slavery was used as a scapegoat for all differences that
existed between the North and South.

9.. SLAVERY. Indirectly slavery was a cause of the war. Most Southerners
did not own slaves and would not have fought for the protection of slavery.
However they believed that the North had no Constitutional right to free
slaves held by citizens of Sovereign Southern States. Prior to the war there
were five times as many abolition societies in the South as in the North.
Virtually all educated Southerners were in favor of gradual emancipation of
slaves. Gradual emancipation would have allowed the economy and labor system
of the South to gradually adjust to a free paid labor system without
economic collapse. Furthermore, since the New England States were
responsible for the development of slavery in America, Southerners saw the
morality claims by the North as blatant hypocrisy. The first state to
legalize slavery had been Massachusetts in 1641 and this law was directed
primarily at Indians. In colonial times the economic infrastructure of the
port cities of the North was dependent upon the slave trade. The first slave
ship in America, "THE DESIRE", was fitted out in Marblehead, Massachusetts.
Further proof that Southerners were not fighting to preserve slavery is
found in the diary of an officer in the Confederate Army of Northern
Virginia. He stated that "he had never met a man in the Army of Northern
Virginia that claimed he was fighting to preserve slavery". If the war had
been over slavery, the composition of the politicians, officers, enlisted
men, and even African Americans would have been different. Confederate
General Robert E. Lee had freed his slaves (Custis estate) prior to 1863
whereas Union General Grant's wife Julia did not free her slaves until after
the war when forced to do so by the 13th amendment to the constitution.
Grant even stated that if the abolitionists claimed he was
fighting to free slaves that he would offer his services to the South.
Mildred Lewis Rutherford ( 1852-1928 ) was for many years the historian for
the United Daughters Of The Confederacy (UDC). In her book Truths Of History
she stated that there were more slaveholders in the Union Army ( 315,000 )
than the Confederate Army ( 200,000 ). Statistics and estimates also show that about
300,000 blacks supported the Confederacy versus about 200,000 for the Union.
Clearly the war would have been fought along different lines if it had been
fought over slavery. The famous English author Charles Dickens stated " the
Northern onslaught upon Southern slavery is a specious piece of humbug
designed to mask their desire for the economic control of the Southern
states."

10, NORTHERN AGGRESSION AGAINST SOUTHERN STATES, Proof that Abraham
Lincoln wanted war may be found in the manner he handled the Fort Sumter
incident. Original correspondence between Lincoln and Naval Captain G.V.Fox
shows proof that Lincoln acted with deceit and willfully provoked South
Carolina into firing on the fort ( A TARIFF COLLECTION FACILITY ). It was
politically important that the South be provoked into firing the first shot
so that Lincoln could claim the Confederacy started the war. Additional
proof that Lincoln wanted war is the fact that Lincoln refused to meet with
a Confederate peace delegation. They remained in Washington for 30 days and
returned to Richmond only after it became apparent that Lincoln wanted war
and refused to meet and discuss a peace agreement. After setting up the Fort
Sumter incident for the purpose of starting a war, Lincoln called for 75,000
troops to put down what he called a rebellion. He intended to march Union
troops across Virginia and North Carolina to attack South Carolina. Virginia
and North Carolina were not going to allow such an unconstitutional and
criminal act of aggression against a sovereign sister Southern State.
Lincoln's act of aggression caused the secession of the upper Southern
States.

Freeper History

The Secession was already underway BEFORE HJR 80 was passed.

Again, the Confederate States were the ones who termed the debate around slavery.

They wanted slavery, they demanded slavery and upwards of 1 million Americans died because of it.

Now shits like you come in here and have the audacity to DEFEND that ugly-assed heritage and then you become offended when we call you on your KKK bullshit.

Again, grow up.

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The battle flag is a square flag with the Southern Cross

This is what Dexter is referring to. Though chances are he is thinking of the rectangluar Navy Jack that we see most often on trinkets and tee shirts.



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He's against Slavery?

NOW you tell me.......

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Instead of meeting at 3:45, how about between

2:30 and 3:00 at the pizza shop?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Sounds good to me.

And sign me up for a name tag. :)

ALSO, I am making name badges with BLUENC on for anyone

who would like them....please let me know.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

name badges

Me,me, Momo!

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

Stars and Bars

Can't you have the stars and bars on them? Please, Please. We MUST be proud of our heritage.

Lovex7

Nan and I will be there

looking forward to meeting everyone we haven't met :)

Stan Bozarth

My, my, Southern Heritage-garbage

My people been rooting around down in eastern North Carolina since about 1720-40 best we can tell, growing tobacco, making likker and interbreeding. Oh, and yeah, they had slaves. Two great grandfathers served in NC regiments (been told NC put more men into the Confederate forces than any other misguided dumb southern state), one died at Richmond and other maimed for life--always was no good-shiftless drunk. So, guess I got a blood claim to all this Southern Heritage clap-trap - I wont really say what I think of it, but it is simple BS.

Now here we sit, what 150-60 years later, and Dexter, poor guy, is proud of something never existed. Running slaves corrupted the South totally - bum bunch, including my people - took them a hundred years to get close to treating a black person like a human. Well, anyone still think this is such great stuff, please take those ole no good flags and stuff them where the sun don't shine. The War to Free the Slaves was at the end a noble deed, and included many of the emancipated with guns in their hands -rightfully so.

I have lived with all the ignorance that this "suthern hairitage" crap could carry. Take that and stuff it also. Being proud of being plain damned evil is insane. I would love nothing better to face off my great grands and tell them just how dumb they really were, and evil too. Dex, ole boy, I think you need to go back to a real school.
And, I am pretty sure the rest really have too much of a clue, sort of baiting Ole Dex-now that ain't fair. Forget southern, think American and look forward, ignore our worst travesty to date as a people-but remember only in abject shame.

wafranklin

 

wafranklin, I sorry if you

wafranklin,

I sorry if you can't accept the truth. But the bottom line is that the winners write history and the yankee BS that your were fed in school just doesn't match up with the facts. I can't help you if you don't want to see the truth. Do your self a favor don't beleive me or anyone else. Look it up for yourself, the facts are there.

If we had lost the American Revolution the samethings that you are saying and beleiving would have been said about our own patriots.

Hello

Dexter, do you know what progressive means? I think you are on the wrong site.

Lovex7

Lovex7, The wrong side? I am

Lovex7,

The wrong side? I am not sure what you mean. I think that people should respect other's heritage and traditions. I respect other people's heritage all that I ask is for them to respect mine. The South isn't full of evil people, heck the war wasn't even over slavery. Lincoln signed the original 13th amendment that would have made slavery legal forever, on the condition that the Southern states came back in the Union. The Southern States turned him down, because that wasn't what they wanted. They wanted to keep the government that George Washington fought for. A government by the people for the people, not a federal government that ruled with an iron hand like we have today. We won independence from one king, the didn't want another one. Like Lincoln or Bush. I think that many giving comments here on on the wrong side. They need to do some real soul searching.

The truth was the truth then and it is still the truth today. No matter what has been told or changed in the last 160 plus years.

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