I'll take this kind of sucking up any day

We recently got an email from a publicity coordinator of The Nation, who wanted to call our attention to this excellent piece by Bob Moser, currently running in the magazine. You have to admire a publicist who digs in to the blogosphere to spread the word about an article, even if he does laud lavish compliments on our labor of love here in the Old North State.

Taking a tour of southern blogs recently, I've been really impressed with BlueNC's comprehensive, nuts and bolts coverage. We here at The Nation wanted to let you know about our cover story this week, "The Way Down South." In the article, Bob Moser, one of our contributing writers, explores the relationship between the Dems and the South and its implications for the future of the Democratic party. We'd like this to be part of a larger conversation, one we hope you and your readers will be part of.

Bob makes a really compelling argument that the 'solid South' is a Republican myth that the Dems need to see through. Among other highlights, Moser has a vicious dissection of Democratic presidential politics in the South. In one of the piece's sharper observations, he writes:

"The parity between the parties, unprecedented in the South's history, was neatly symbolized by the total tally of state legislative seats in the old Confederate states after the 2004 elections: 891 Democrats, 891 Republicans."

We think this is a valuable contribution to a vital debate, one BlueNC is holding every day. Any suggestions you might have for ways to get the word out, particularly on radio shows in the South, would be most welcome.

This story takes explosive aim at all the happy horseshit we've seen lately about "whistling past Dixie." It's a long and detailed article, but it's well worth reading. Twice.

Thanks to Nick Jahr for bringing this to our attention. I subscribe to The Nation off an on . . . and I might just have to get back "on" again.

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PS If you have ideas about talk radio stations that might want to interview the author, send them to nick at mail.thenation.com.

Comments

Good on Bob

Via Ex:

In The Nation, Bob Moser gets his licks in on the trendy idea of Dems running against the South:

As a species of Democratic defeatism, this approach can hardly be topped. And for all the charts and graphs that accompany such strategic chess games, calls for a non-Southern strategy are rooted in cultural stereotypes.

He quotes Southern Studies Chris Kromm:

It ain't wise, and it ain't right. I can't say it better than Chris Kromm, director of the liberal Institute for Southern Studies in Durham, North Carolina. "For Democrats to turn their back on a region that half of all African-Americans and a growing number of Latinos call home, a place devastated by Hurricane Katrina, plant closings, poverty and other indignities--in short, for progressives to give up on the very place where they could argue they are needed most--would rightfully be viewed as a historic retreat from the party's commitment to justice for all."

asdf

It ain't wise, and it ain't right.

Damn straight.

Whistling Past Dixie?

just read Schalller's book. He does make some compelling points

No shortage of Dixiephobes in liberalism

There was a case of dueling diaries on the Rec List.

One declared, quite loudly and proudly, to Write off the South

I took issue with that.

So I said Fine. Let's Ditch The Deadweight States. All of Them.

Why? Because we covered the most ground in getting progress back on the menu in our region. The North remains the mainstay of progressivism, but the battleground states are going to be in the South for the next twenty years.

Will all heads turn left? Oh, I doubt that. Regardless, I'm not sure if the South has ever been a true two-party representative democracy, not ever.

The way I see it, it's not blue people in Deep Blue states that are going to make and preserve a Democratic Congress. It's blue people in Red-going-on-Purple states that are putting more blue butts in seats up on Capitol Hill.

And perhaps it would serve our non-Southern brethren well to take heed...and maybe say something more encouraging.

"Thanks!" works nicely.

Greg

pointed out this article to me by posting it in my diary at kos. Its already been bookmarked and read through once. Very good article.

Draft Brad Miller -- NC Sen ActBlue :::Petition

"Keep the Faith"

A

I fixed your link A. As I wrote in response:

I've been getting more annoyed as DCCC, DLC, Schaller, followed by Jay Walljasper and more recently Eric Alterman have been blowing off Southern Democrats with stereotype punditry. Exhibit A: Larry Kissell. (Maybe The Nation needs an internal debate also.)

By the way Orr announced formally he's running for Governor (AP on Durham Herald-Sun)

Thanks, Greg.

I've been in some serious multi-tasking today.

Darn Fine Article

First, it reminded me a bit of George Pence's first blog posting here.

This sums up a lot for me:

"The Southern mystique," liberal historian Howard Zinn calls it in his 1964 book of the same title. The "notion that the South is more than just 'different,' that it is distinct from the rest of the nation...an inexplicable variant from the national norm," is a false exaggeration, wrote Zinn, that "feeds self-righteousness in the North.... And it stands so firmly and so high on a ledge of truth that one must strain to see the glitter of deception in its eye."

I am so sick of the self-righteous "Yankee Democrats" looking down on the South and writing us off because we are apparently too stupid and backward to understand their lofty ideals. Kerry is an arrogant Yankee and so is Al Gore even though he's supposedly southern. As the article noted, the campaigns of late are decidedly anti-Southern and therefore alienating even to those of us who might otherwise at least give them the time of day. To win the South, national Democrats don't have to emulate Republicans, but they do have to stop saying F-you to us hicks down here.

I also second the quote by Kromm kmr put up above. Dems can't win the South because they don't try.

Yankees NOT looking down on the south

Hi just really like the Nation article and thank Anglico for posting this.

Just want to object to the notion that Yankees look down on the South.

We ourselves have held this hopeless view that we are hopelessly red. For the past four or five years we have been trying to recast NC as a Blue state. But lets recall that we have two Rep. Senators and our governors have often had to be lite on the Blue issues apparently, to be viable. So statewide races have appeared to lean Red. Now we have seen a turnaround.

While you may blame Kerry and Gore...there is not much point in that. We in the South control our grassroots energy. Thanks so much to NCblue for keeping us sane.

Let's keep working on Keeping NC blue.

TurnNCBlue

While you may blame Kerry

While you may blame Kerry and Gore...there is not much point in that. We in the South control our grassroots energy.

True, but if the national party had thrown another $5 into the Hayes/Kissell race, there would have been a different outcome. I am not bashing the state people, I'm talking about the national party.

the Great debate of the Democratic Party in 08?

First, who here believes this website is the proof and the pudding to how NC politics and sentiment are more liberal than people would have you believe?

I've been a liberal for most of my short life, and living in NC from NYC has been a great experience for me. Its because our ideology transends states, regions, and stereotrypes. I believe BlueNC is the embodiment of such a ideology and the passion behind it.

And I believe the biggest issue in 2008 is going to be how can we win back 1/2/3 states in the South? The time is now to have that debate and to act. I wont rehash the reasons why, because we all know them. But to let our Democratic leaders and pundits choose the "whistling past Dixie" path, we cannot let happen.

People here want to hear our message and they want to vote for someone who promises to bring real progress to them. Just like Larry Kissell will in 2008.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

We can host a debate

Schaller, whom I met at Yearly Kos and again in DC at the blogger party celebrating the installation of our new congress, has agreed to come to Winston-Salem.

I do not know Bob Moser, but since it is mentioned that he is a W-S native, perhaps he would come here to debate.

Schaller will come for gas money and a meal. I do not have a lot of $$ but do have a forum and publicity capability here at Wake Forest.

If we also cover the debate in our blogs, it could be a productive event.

Let me know if you have interest or want to help create this event.

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Ed Wilson

Great idea. Have Ed Wilson moderate it.

Ed Wilson

Ed is Mr. Wake Forest, an excellent host, comenter, and gem of a person.

Moderator is ceremonial. Ed may well do it. He is very kind. Jerry Meek might do it, too. There are many possibilities.

My favorite approach is to have trained critics of debate (like me) who can comment at the end on which side better supported their arguments and on how to productively move beyond the instant case.

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I'll be happy to help

I'm not sure what I can do, but let me know. This sounds wonderful. I can video/write/take pics/whatever.

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Love the idea, Ross.

This could play big on a national stage if positioned it correctly. Maybe even get a public radio station to broadcast it as news.

Lots of people are interested in the topic . . . I think a 'debate' is entirely in order.

Count me in!

I'll help any way I can!

We gotta get Dick Gordan from The Story

interested. NPR is listened to and respected by many people across all lines. A, have you tried to make contact with him?

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Way Down South Diary on DailyKos Now

I did post a diary on the article this morning at DailyKos, I hope those of you interested in the topic will go over there and recommend. Yes, it does have an Edwards-tinge to it, but I think all Southerners (and Midwesterners like me) can get on board with the call for Democrats to take up economic populism as an alternative to republican cultural populism and as a way to win back the South and solidify the Great Lakes.
The Way Down South: Johnny Populist & The Born Fighter
at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/31/ 15534/5402
at 8:27 am ET.

I may post the diary here too later today if the formating doesn't take a ton of time.

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

Democrats are the party of those who are working, those who have finished working, and those who want to work. -- Elizabeth Edwards

I don't think there are formatting issues

from Kos to Blue. Greg will know. Just copy and paste and we can help you fix anything. Feel free to post here any time - especially when the topic applies to NC/Southern politics.

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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Post format

It's actually easier to post here on BlueNC than Daily Kos and you can add many html tags and parameters that Daily Kos won't allow though it many be necessary to strip out a few html tags that Daily Kos inserts automatically.

We'll clean it up. I really like what Bob Moser has been writing.

Just went over and Rec'd

got an email about it!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.