Good for John Edwards

I just read about this strong, clear stand by John Edwards in a blog entry by Carter Wrenn and I must say, it's just the kind of thing that will win me over.

John Edwards has called for us to immediately withdraw 40,000 troops from Iraq. Not next month. Or by Christmas. Or in a year. Now. Granted we’re in a mess in Iraq. But where does bringing 40,000 troops home tomorrow leave the troops still in Iraq? Are they safer?

Mr. Edwards is running for President as a Democrat and he has taken a glib, popular stand that will help him win the Democratic primaries.

But what’s his real solution on Iraq? He says he’d pull every soldier out and bring him – or her – home in 14 months. Fine. Who wouldn’t like to see that happen? But where does that leave us? What happens then? Is pulling out of Iraq going to win the war on terrorism? If it is I’m all for it. But I’d like to hear Mr. Edwards explain how his plan is going to bring us the victory over the terrorist that has eluded us for five years.

Carter Wrenn is either being intentionally obtuse or he's a little thin in the brain department. There's a very good reason "victory over the terrorist (sic)" has eluded us for five years: We've been fighting the wrong goddamn war.

Republicans are almost gleeful when Democrats don't have a magic answer to make up for the unmitigated fuck-up that is Bush's war. They seem giddy when honest men and women look at things and determine there is no practical way to salvage the crappy situation. They jump on the "stay the course" bandwagon and hope for a fairy godmother to come save the day.

John Edwards is right. Start drawing down now. Set a deadline for a complete withdrawal. Then get the hell out of there. With Israel invading Lebanon, with North Korea losing a few more marbles, with Iran refusing to take Bush seriously (they're smarter than I thought), there is simply no tenable strategy for a military victory in Iraq.

The truth is, there never was.

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We need to shift troops

from Iraq to Afghanistan. There have been recent news reports about the Taliban resurgence. The GD TALIBAN? How in the hell could those guys still be around?

I know I know. It's because W is so focused on Iraq, where the oil is. Not Afghanistan, where even with US troops in 'control', it is still the world's leader in the production of heroin.

Hey GOP trolls - How can that be??

Yes.

We should have put 500,000 US and 500,000 UN soldiers into Afghanistan on day one and finished the damn job. Wiped out the warlords, destroyed the poppy crops, fixed the roads, and oh yeah, captured Osama.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
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And the New York City draft riots cont' another 5 days

We should have put 500,000 US and 500,000 UN soldiers into Afghanistan on day one and finished the damn job. Wiped out the warlords, destroyed the poppy crops, fixed the roads, and oh yeah,
captured Osama.* Bring back the Draft?

Are you perpare to go when the draft notice hits your
mailbox?

in Afghanistan after 9/11?I

in Afghanistan after 9/11?

I would have gone in a heartbeat.

Even though I had a new baby and a wife...

I would have considered it as well. I've always thought of going into the military and was basically waiting for a push, those days are gone forever now thanks to Bushco. My dad was a Vietnam vet who once threatened to chain me in the cellar if I volunteered during Desert Storm.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Right. Of course, you could

Right. Of course, you could have sauntered on down to a recruiting station on 9/12 and volunteered. But that didn't happen now did it?

John barbara was the

John barbara was the anonymous guy above who mocked my willingness to serve my country. Mr. Barbara, thge one thing I have never doubted or challenged you on was your service to this country. I respect and honor it, though your style of political debate makes a mockery of the freedoms you purported to be protecting. Your service, however, must have been honorable, since they took you back.

Anybody with a brain, however, can see that the discussion above referred to the draft. I would certainly have, in a heartbeat, complied with a draft notice. No problem.

We don't have a draft. We have a competent and well trained professional military that, had it been used correctly, would have finished the job in Afghanistan without need for the 500,000 troops mentioned above.

I had friends who did sign up. Grier Martin went back on active duty to go to Afghanistan.

Me, not being a person of any military training whatsoever, I probably would have been a huge hindrance to the Army. But if they wanted me for that mission. I would have gone. It's just a shame that that sense of mission, that sense of a battle worth fighting, the heroism of those who did go, has been squandered by incompetent leadership from the top.

In short, Mr. Barbara, I don't question your patriotism. Don't you dare question mine.

I don't know Mr. Barbara

but he sounds like dozens of other chickenhawk assholes I know who get all gleamy eyed at the thought of spilling somebody else's blood. You give him far more respect than he deserves with your reasoned response. I would have told him to go fuck himself.

more louder now

I think John Edwards is a good dem canidate. I voted for him last time, I may vote for him again. BUT he needs to make his statement against the war and for the return of all troops LOUDER and more OFTEN. NOW!

For starters how about a giant graphic on his website. It could be just as prominent as the cool new mobile phone SMS messages you can get from him? I will never trust a politician who hedges his or her bets by saying what certain constituents want to hear when they are with in ear shot and "forgetting" not to say it when opponents are nearby. Remember how many conservative democrats got us into the war in the first place? At least some of them have apologized...

One of Mr. Edwards biggest issues is poverty. War is one of poverty's largest contributing factors through out the world. Here in America too. Stop spending Billions of dollars on US wars and start spending it on American citizens. Especially the poor.

BLOG about ending the war now Mr. Edwards! Help other learn how to blog about what ever they want. The Blogtogether group is waiting to help you help others.

Amen.

and, Amen.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

This isn't the answer either

We pull out all our men and women now, what do you seriously think will happen? In some corner of my mind I feel that maybe all the terrorist activity will cease and the new Iraqi government will take hold.

Is that a risk worth taking? I'm not sure it is.

What would likely happen is the escalation of death sqauds roaming not only Bahgdad but all of Iraq. Massive unrest and eventually a real civil war. Iran sees an opportunity and so do the Syrians.

Shit gets worse than it is now, what do we do? Go back? Stay out of it entirely? Are we as Democrats willing to have the foreign policy of 1990s Republicans? Stay out of the way and there's no way we can be effected.

There was never an answer to how to get out of Iraq. Staying the course isnt. Pulling out ASAP is just as bad.

Be just, and fear not.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

What do the Iraqis want?

I've heard reports from Iraqis who want all US troops out now. Many of them believe the violence and death sown by Arab fighters from outside of Iraq is cause by the presence of US troops. Right now the Iraqi congress is debating a resolution for a time table for US troop withdrawal. On the floor is a call for IMMEDIATE withdrawal. Its THEIR democracy NOT ours. Let them decide how they will deal with the aftermath of the US military's destructive violence.

The argument that the US military must stay in Iraq to prevent unrest is just way to simplified and convenient an answer that only serves to support the Bush administration's goals.

Why can't UN troops replace US troops and help rebuild Iraq?

No, its OUR democracy

Iraq is just like Afganistan, except..no just as bad.

This Constitution, this Iraqi government has been around for what half a year? Most of it is forcefeed American democratic reforms that have not been even enforced in i'd say 80% of Iraq itself. The agrument against prolonged occupation will be just as destructive and as dangerous as yelling "Stay the COURSE".

The argument that the US military must stay in Iraq to prevent unrest is just way to simplified and convenient an answer that only serves to support the Bush administration's goals.

Can we look past BushCo just for one minute? Please. International past views this as a total American fuckup. Not just Bush or the GOP. History will not be kind to any of us. The agrument to keep troops in Iraq is not just a simple answer for GOP trolls but its the sad truth. For now.

hear me out, I wish we never we're in Iraq in the first place. But seriously pulling out now may only damage our credibility abroad and throw Iraq into a real worldwide problem.
Have you seen the Iraqi Guard? It'd be like sending the RPD overseas to protect the whole damn country. We need a sound policy of withdrawal coupled with new UN help and more resources towards the Iraqi government and away from tax breaks for private ventures.

Be just, and fear not.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

Pull out of the cities first

and let the Iraqis try to control the violence. We don't need to be in Baghdad and Fallujah. Go out in the damn desert, pitch a tent, and see if Iraq's security forces can do the job.

It's been 3 years - are they trained yet?

training would necessitate that we actually leave

which we damn well aren't going to do. What, with all the money we have spent building our three permanent bases there?

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Wasn't it Edwards (or Kerry

Wasn't it Edwards (or Kerry or Murtha???) who said we should pull back and protect the borders of iraq and let the iraqis step up and start protecting themselves?

Sounds like a damn good idea to me, stop the infiltration of outsiders and let the iraqis deal with the ones already there.

What good are we doing there now? The Sunday masacre....more Sunis and Shias fighting each other...and now our soldiers are sooo stretched and verging on mental problems that they are committing crimes of rape and pillaging?

I havent heard that yet

but it is a very smart viable plan to implement now.

Much like we need to do with our Southern border. So could we do this well?

Be just, and fear not.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

We are only 3 years late

when it comes to sealing the Iraqi borders. Better late than never.

Sealing the Southern border would be easier if the feds would start going after the businesses that provide the jobs to illegal immigrants - the main incentive to come here to begin with.

So very true..

I couldnt agree with you more Todd. Its funny how gay marriage and flag burning became headlines when the GOPs illegal immigration plan failed miserably.

Be just, and fear not.

Our children need to know that some people fought back, when others collaborated.

Does anyone Blog at DNC?

I blog there and at DailyKos and MyDD, HuffingtonPost, NCAsskickers

I have been checking out all the other links to other blogs too...

It is amazing how much more info and truth you get when you go "alookin"

Change in the Edwards winds

Over at MyDD, they have a monthly straw poll. This month John Edwards finished behind only Wes Clark in cumulative voting and only by a percentage point. This is, as far as I can tell, the best Edwards has ever done.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me