Geary on Etheridge

For those of you who have not caught of glimpse of the Independent reporter Bob Geary's blog Citizen yet, he has had a gem up today about Rep. Etheridge's (D-2) desire to avoid any question relating to the war in Iraq:

The reason Etheridge wanted to get out of there, and did get out a couple of minutes later, was that all the questions were about Iraq, and the torture-rendition flights out of Johnston County, and he didn’t want to talk about either subject. “You can’t do everything,” he said to a woman who pressed him on his refusal to co-sponsor a particular House bill. “I haven’t looked at that one.”
The “that one” he hadn’t looked at was the main Democratic resolution calling for a 17-hour floor debate on Iraq. “You have to pick your fights in Congress,” Etheridge said. His point: Standing up for veterans rights is his issue. (All of Bragg and Pope AFB are in his district, he emphasized. So, btw, is part of Raleigh.) Whether we should be fighting in Iraq or not is not his issue.

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While I get what you are saying, he hasnt sold us down the river the way Lieberman tried to. Or I dont think he has anyway.
But the Veterans stuff isnt a small thing. The whole "if you cared about soldiers you wouldnt send them to a useless war" argument still doesnt have much traction. But the "if you really cared you wouldnt make them buy their own armor and you wouldnt cut their pay and you would actually help their wives and kids back home" seems to be more important. And its something he can actually change in a much more meaningful way.

Lyndon Helton for NC Senate

"Keep the Faith"

Certainly not Lieberman

But a bit disconcerting nonetheless.

Kanoy v. Price

Etheridge needs a good dose of reality.

I saw Price's reluctance to get us out of Iraq start to crumble last year during a forum at the Chapel Hill HS. Wonderful evening.

Unfortunately, just a few months later, Price refused a real debate with his fellow Dem primary candidate, Kanoy, on Iraq (or anything else).

These guys have got to learn that there's no more "duck-n-cover".

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

Where are Bob Etheridge and Mike McIntyre

when it comes to helping Larry Kissell? It is wonderful that David Price and Brad Miller are doing so much to help him. Mike McIntyre, Bob Etheridge and Robin Hayes share Cumberland County. Wouldn't you think they would have an interest in helping Larry? Just a thought.

Lovex7

good question

I hope they haven't fallen under the spell Hayes tries to cast that the district is unwinnable for a Democrat. You have to give it to Hayes that he has been really successful and convincing a lot of Dems we don't have a chance--when, in fact, he is more vulnerable than even Charlie Taylor. He is slick.

I'm not gonna mince words

or worry about my progressive creds here. I respect and admire Bob Geary. I hope y'all know I respect and admire everyone here, as well. But, no offense, Bob Geary don't live here in Johnston county. I'm just gonna repeat what a fellow Johnston Democrat said last week when doubts were raised about Congressman Etheridge at our yahoo groups board last week:

"What sort of answers do you think we'd get from his Republican opponent?"

Where do you think Bobby Etheridge's current opponent would stand on the issues -- all of them, not just Iraq?

Yep. Iraq is a big one. A huge one. And I'm on Y'ALL's side on that question. We're tha cause of the chaos in Iraq and we need to get out sooner rather than later. I agree, we need to ask these questions and we need to speak the truth about the rendition flights from Johnston county airport.

But I would respectfully submit to you, my friends here, that Johnston Harnett Nash Franklin Western Chatham and Eastern Cumberland counties bear zero resemblence politically to Orange, Durham or even Wake counties. District 2 contains a tiny sliver of eastern Wake. To give you some idea of the conservative flavor of our little neck of the woods, in 2004, Johnston county went for Congressman Etheridge's opponent, a far-right immigrant-hatin' wingnut named Creech. And this year, we've got a far-right fundamentalist GOPer running against Etheridge.

Here's my reality: If we -- Johnston county -- didn't have Congressman E's (D) representing us, we'd have NOT ONE SINGLE Democrat representing us at either the county, the state or the federal gov't level. Not one. So y'all just put yourself in my shoes for a minute and chew on that fact and consider how you would feel reading this were you in my place.

I have no problem challenging our Democratic representatives. I do have a problem doing so visibly and vocally in THIS election year. If you ask me, this is another instance of one-issue, blinders-on politics at it's best. I don't think negative stuff about Etheridge would ever make Dems in District 2 vote for his opposition, but it may make some Dems -- who we NEED to come out and vote for our NC Senate candidate, Judicial candidates and a CRUCIAL County Commissioners' seat this year -- stay home this November.

P.S. And when it comes to support for Larry Kissell, I have it on good authority that Congressman Etheridge fully and enthusiastically supports Larry Kissell's bid for Congress. He very much wanted to be at Larry Kissell's fundraiser at the fairgrounds last week, but a young couple who are very close to the Congressman had scheduled a wedding for that evening at 5:30. There just wasn't a way he could make it.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Good points.

Leslie, I agree with much you say here. I used to live in Etheridge's district, which includes part of downtown Raleigh, and often wondered why we couldn't get more progressive representation. Then I looked at the borders of that district on a map.
All I could say is that I was surprised that it's represented by a Democrat at all!
Even us progressives need a "reality-check" every once in a while! ;)

Party of Principle

It is as wrong to support someone merely because they are a Democrat the same way that it is wrong to support someone merely because they are a Republican. To ignore a major issue completely is not good practice sa a Congressman; I do not care if it is a Democrat or Republican doing it.

As far as lucky to have a Democrat, that is the fundamental misconception on North Carolina politics in the last 20 years. Democrats cannot get elected by being conservative; Democrats like Edwards and hopefully Kissell get elected by being strong progressive, populists.

Progressive improvement

Building on the Progress 2006 thread we need a Progressive ranking or rating that's a little more than anecdotal. Cross-referenced to legislative effectiveness and electoral vulnerability, it would be very useful in targeting resources.

gregflynn

cye

cye

best. show. ever.

and there's an unoffical soundtrack album available for it now!

(/tangent)

Totally agree, TarGator

It is wrong to support someone merely because they are a Democrat.

But let me ask you this -- is it ok to support a Democrat even if I don't agree with him on one issue? I hope so. Otherwise, there's a lot of progressives in NC-11 who are gonna have a hard time supporting Shuler.

I'm just saying ... we are where we are. We live where we live. First we have to move the attitudes in District 2 more to the center. If you want to help with that longterm task, go to www.4042.com and join "The Neighborhood" board and give Johnston democrats a hand with these ... (I'll be kind) ... wingnuts.

"They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum Then they charged the people a dollar 'n a half just to see 'em. Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone? They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

Where's Mike McIntyre

Voting with the Rebs. on a lot of issues. He;s forgot his demo roots

Leslie H

For some reason the program won't let me reply. Says I am "FORBIDDEN". I am glad you told me that about Bob Etheridge. It makes me feel a lot better. Larry actually told me that Etheridge and McIntyre had both been very supportive. I just haven't seen them around.

Lovex7

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Lovex7 -- Did you mean you can't reply to my post on Citizen? You have to register first, and then when you post your first comment, the moderator (moi) must approve it. After that, you can comment away. I think. I'm kinda new to this blog-owner thing, so ...

The address is www.indyweekblogs.com/citizen.

Thanks,
Bob Geary

Bob

I found the process used by your software program to be a little difficult to navigate. It has stopped me from posting a couple of times.

Me too.

I've been through the login process and have the right name and pword, but then I get bumped back to the beginning without being able to comment.

Etheridge is a Good Democrat

and a good Congressman - for NC-02. I lived in his district in the 90's when it included a sliver of Durham.

We need to build a majority in Congress. To do it, you have to include people like Etheridge, who will vote with the Dems about 70% of the time, and McIntire, who will vote with the Dems about 60% of the time. We can't just cede disticts like this to the GOP and expect to build a majority.

Anybody remember '94-'96, when the Triangle's Congressmen were David Funderburk and Fred Heineman? What a freaking nightmare. Bob Etheridge is a DREAM in comparison.

I never said not to vote for him

I think we can be intelligent enough around here to criticize people that we are still intending to support. And praise people who we see differently than on other issues, such as Walter Jones and the war.

Bluebees, here's a great resource to track your Congress Critter

If you want to track your Congress critters votes in near realtime, the WaPo provides an incredible resource. I track a handful of NC folk (including Price) via RSS (feeds updated nightly).

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

It's called doing your job

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I'm with TarGator. I don't know a thing about Etheridge's opponent. The issue isn't who to vote for -- though Etheridge pretty much said the other night that it's the only issue -- it's whether he's doing his job when he says, "War? What war?" Etheridge is a veteran. And he's been running for stuff down Harnett County way for how many years? And yet he doesn't think he has enough trust built up with the voters to criticize this mindless disaster and join the calls to end it. To be a leader, in other words, and represent. Either that, or he doesn't think it is a mindless disaster -- and if you pressed me, based on what he said in Raleigh, I think it's the latter. He's reading a book about it, he said. It's all about the "missed opportunities." I'll be writing a bit more on this in next week's Indy. I appreciate all your thoughts -- and TarGator, thanks for the nice word.