Food fight

I didn't mean to start a food fight, and I apologize for doing so. Just to be clear, I have great admiration for Jerry Meek, who takes more crap as Big Cheese at the North Carolina Democratic Party than anyone should ever have to. I'm sorry I added to his woes and that wasn't my intention when I wrote this yesterday:

The Hill is reporting a potential primary challenge to Larry Kissell in NC-8 by Rick Glazier. I'd heard rumblings about this earlier this year, and was disappointed to see the possibility is still alive. I've heard good things about Glazier in general, but I have to say, this pretty much annoys the hell out of me. Glazier's not quoted in this article . . . the only on-the-record source for the story is Jerry Meek, who does the talking for Glazier. Jerry should have told the reporter to contact Glazier directly to find out about his plans. His go-betweening in this article is unseemly to my mind.

It is NOT what Jerry said that annoys the hell out of me . . . it's the risk of a primary threat to Larry. The only point I wanted to make about Jerry is that he could have invited the reporter to contact Glazier personally. To my uninformed ear, it didn't sound right to have him explaining what Rick might or might not be doing.

But that's all beside the point now. Jerry is a stand-up guy and doesn't need criticism from me (or anyone else, in my opinion), for his tireless and thankless work on behalf of the North Carolina Democratic Party. In so many ways, it's a lose, lose job, and I for one and enormously grateful that he does it.

There are many people who have flat-out fallen in love with Larry Kissell, myself included. We've seen how hard he's worked to unseat Hayes, and it's heartbreaking to imagine one of our own challenging him in the primary. As I said, I hope it doesn't happen - and I will work like hell to support Larry. But that doesn't mean we Larry Lovers should go ballistic and shoot down Jerry Meek, who's doing an impossible job every day trying to walk the line and keep our Big Tent intact.

We're all on edge and angry. Every day brings more disappointment from our elected leaders on so many fronts. In the General Assembly, we're finding ourselves settling for crumbs of leadership from elected officials who give more attention to what Realtors and Power Companies want than what's important to We the People. We have two imperial leaders in the Senate who protect corporate (and University) interests at all costs, and who drink the Puppetshow kool-aid in five-gallon containers. In Washington, it's even worse. Though there are a few bright spots (Miller & Price, for example), the Democrats are proving themselves incapable of going to the mat in the face of Republican corruption.

The reason for our anger has a clear root cause: We haven't elected enough progressive Democrats. Which is especially true here in North Carolina. That's why the thought of spending resources on a fight between Glazier and Kissell is so depressing.

My request is simple: Let's reserve our upset and frustration for our enemies. We don't have enough friends as it is . . . and Jerry Meek is most definitely one of them.


Comments

I'm out again today

Be nice.

I heart you, A

Thanks.

Lovex7

There is no risk of a primary threat, Anglico

There is nobody close to Larry's name recognition on the Dem side. There is no threat.

The fact is, it is Jerry's actions that bother me. He should have referred any question about a rumored run back to the candidate. He provided information typically provided by a spokesperson. That was wrong and Jerry is not an amateur. He usually weighs his words and is very intentional with his message. I have a hard time believing this was an offhand comment to the press.

You were right the first time. Comments may have become heated, but there was nothing wrong with your post.

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I gotta disagree a little

even though you can still take back the rec on Kos ;-)

I see nothing wrong with Jerry talking about facts that aren't confidential ... especially when he gave Larry a pretty glowing review in the article while saying good things about Rick. His job is to say good things about Democrats, and if neither office is commenting (we don't know the whole story), then there's nothing wrong with him praising our friends. Also, if he doesn't comment, the media can spin it as some sort of mysterious rift in the party. It's not a good situation to be in, but Jerry handled it well with his characteristic class.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

I have no problems with Jerry saying good things about Dems

at all....ever. I have a problem with him giving a time frame in which Glazier will make his decision and discussing how busy he is. He played press secretary...that's what a spokesman/press secretary does.

That's my problem with it.

He could have talked about how vulnerable Robin Hayes is, he could have talked about how many wonderful Dems we have without discussing intimate details of Glaziers decision making process.

Excellent post at Kos. Wouldn't dream of taking away your five stars or your rec.



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But

I don't think he has a press secretary in a non-campaign year - and what else is Jerry going to say if, for example, they're going to press and they didn't get a comment from Glazier? An equally likely hypothetical.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

He would say

North Carolina has a lot of great Democrats, however it is not my place to speak about a hypothetical race involving an unannounced candidate.

It is as simple as that.

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And what does it look like if he says that?

I can see the Spin: "Mysterious Silence on Glazier Candidacy" - just like the city council bathroom breaks becoming wheeling and dealing.

And he didn't comment on the race, he commented on the status of the candidates, and how much people like LK.

Primaries happen, and they usually happen because people have a reason to percieve a weakness or a problem. If everyone here is so confident about Larry winning, then this is just another opportunity for another Kissell victory.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

I'm commenting on what Jerry actually said

and giving perfectly reasonable, viable alternatives. You're pretending like you know exactly how the press would react and what the story would become.

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I don't know, I did use the word hypothetical :-P

this is stupid anyway, we all know that the only important thing in this race is which candidate wins my support ;-)

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

re: There is no risk of a primary threat, Anglico

BlueNC performs a very helpful service to progressives around the state... but its message comes from largely outside the 8th district. Let's hear what the people of the 8th District have to say. As a transplant from the 8th, count me as one who strongly believes in Rep. Glazier and his record of service to the state.

Throw away your money!

As someone who lives in heart of the 8th:
If you feel like you have some money that you really want to flush down the toilet, run in a primary against Larry.
That money might be better spent supporting Larry Kissell of course...

Left on 49

Cabarrus Democrats

Glazier can run

he just isn't a threat and that's coming from a good handful of 8th District voters not BlueNC.

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Not a big deal

Jerry has conversations like these all the time. He has the information, and he shared it with the reporter. He also talked about how Larry's the favorite. Had the reporter reversed the order of the quotes, I can imagine people crowing from the mountaintops about Jerry's unimpeachable support for Kissell.

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I heard a different Rumor about Glazier

That doesn't involve Larry, but Etheridge possibly retiring.

That said, the 8th is Larry's.

Hehe....I keep hearing rumors about Hayes retiring

One way or the other, that comes true in 2008....if'n you know what I mean.

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Nice weather we're having....ain't it?

N/C

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

We've had horrendous storms the past couple of nights

Lost shingles on the roof, branches from trees.....nasty stuff.

Hope the campaigning is going well. Has Wally convinced everyone that he really, really is a Democrat?

Robin Hayes lied. Nobody died, but thousands of folks lost their jobs.



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It's raining ashes here

Not only is nearby Newland practically flooded every day but we're still not getting enough rain to put out the Linville Gorge fires and it stinks half the time. Still getting enough lightning and thunder to have to unplug the computer twice a day.

Weird stuff to not see the sun because of smoke and to have ashes falling in your yard. No homes threatened but it's still eerie.
 
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Consider the Source

Let's start trusting Democrats more and gossip media less. Looks to me like The Hill is trying to pick a fight where none exists just because they don't have any real gossip to report.

It's somewhat like the folks who go ballistic on Harry Reid because of what Fox News "quoted" him as saying.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

Everybody knows about the Glazier thing

They're not creating gossip, they're just covering it.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

If that is indeed the case

Then Jerry Meek should be reminded that "Loose lips sink ships." as they said in World War II.

We have too many folks in the Democratic infrastructure telegraphing punches about what the Democrats are doing or should be doing or will do. Of course the worst are on the national level - the scads of "Democratic consultants" who show up on talk shows.

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

Great post, A

Let's not let primaries divide us unnecessarily. After all, they're free advertising.
 
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Bingo!

Bingo!

When I read all of the posts from you great people.....

I will tell you what I see.....Differences and all.......I see the comimg great Reformation of American politics ..... The coming time when sanity will return to our leadership.... Never underestimate what you really represent.... You are a force for good. It has been my observation...over a lifetime...that Good always Triumphs over evil...Sometime it takes a while..but it never fails.
I am glad to be counted with you.

Marshall Adame
2014 U.S. Congress Candidate NC-03

Listen -

There's actually no law that says a candidate *has* to live in the district they represent, so .... I would like to invite Glazier to come visit us in the Sixth District. I promise to work really really really hard to get Howard Coble to keep his promise to retire (he signed the Contract on America...er with America, you know), and get you elected. Then we could have two great democrats new to NC's congressional delegation in Jan 2009.

Whaddya say? Want to think about it?

And if you want to be picky about living in the district, the house across the street from me is up for sale - in fact, there's a lot of great places for sale all over the county. We have a lot of wonderful homes - lots to offer. Not far from Cumberland Co.

Just think it over.

C'mon.

Seriously.

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Districts

According to Patrick McHenry aides you don't even have to live in a District to vote in it.

Or even in the state!

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I wonder if Patty claimed them as dependents

when they/he lived with him?

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taxes.

That's how they got Capone.

just sayin'.

I wonder what kind of info Mr. Lay

has been exposed to that he could offer the DA in trade.
 
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Money

Patrick McHenry "loaned" himself money at the earlier stages of his reporting that he has since been paying himself back for. He declared no indebtedness, like an equity loan, to match the amounts of these loans.

Given his life story it is unlikely that he had a bunch of cash lying around in money market funds to lend himself. "Loaning" your campaign money, without a paper trail, then paying yourself back, looks like a good way to launder cash contributions. I'm not saying this happened, but it could happen without tracing the source of loans.

Doesn't he have a mysteriously healthy net worth

These days? I'll have to look it up but last time I did it seems to me the increase from since before he was elected was not what you could save in a couple of years on a congressman's salary while living in DC.
 
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Might want to look and see if he had money left over in his

state campaign coffers. Aren't you allowed to keep that money once you leave office? Might he have transferred that money to himself and then personally loaned it to his congressional campaign. Hmmmm...something smells really fishy about this. You are soooo good, Greg. You too, DQ.

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i looked

At the end of 2003 McHenry had zero dollars left. He spent 19,000 in the final half of 2003.

Almost all of it went to Brett Keeter for salary. Feel free to google the guy, it looks like he has worked for McHenry in various aspects for a long time. Im too tired to do so.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

v e r y i n t e r e s t i n g

Thanks, WC. Now, we can have fun with Brian . . .
 
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A couple other House seats

Glazier should consider contesting are currently held by Walter Jones and Mike McIntyre. Both of them could use a real challenger. I know McIntyre has a "D" by his name, but he ignores it way too often.

Jones

has a Dem Challenger already.

"Keep the Faith"

"Keep the Faith"

Let's go after Republicans

before we primary Democrats.

Two long threads. . .

A couple of thoughts, with all sincerity. . .

1---Is it a little undemocratic (or unDemocratic) to basically say the nom in the 8th is reserved for Larry (whom I think kicks total ass, by the way)? It's not like he's an incumbent. If I lived there, I'd support him, but what if a very strong candidate with great positions and lots of money who could trounce Hayes came along? It's true that Larry has the best name rec out there, obviously, which should make it far easier for him to earn the nom again if required to do so.

I know both parties "reserve" nominations for people from time to time, but I personally don't agree with it. Do I want Larry to have a challenger---no. Do I fear it for him---also no.

2---I think if we had 50 Jerry Meeks in this country, we'd be well on our way to universal healthcare and cleaning up the environment with Dems running the world. Did he perhaps mis-speak a little, maybe. . .but it's ok by me.

War is over if you want it.

War is over if you want it.