...does not bar subsequent litigation to enjoin enforcement of the changes.'
Just wanted to get that excerpt in print, so when Republicans come down from their oregano-joint high, they'll understand why they don't feel so good anymore:
RT @RepDavidRLewis: Ladies and Gentlemen, The US Dept of Justice has pre-cleared the fair and legal plans passed by the NCGA
I'm thinking about having David Lewis give the eulogy at my funeral: "He was a great man, and well-loved..." :)
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Why did the Justice
Why did the Justice Department pre-clear these maps? I thought a Democratic Justice Department was supposed to be our one chance against stopping the Republican gerrymander. They just handed the state to the Republicans for at least the next ten years.
So, are NC liberals finally ready to dump Obama?
Anyone still apologizing for Obama and his administration should really get their head out of their ass.
Obama's mishandling of the economic crisis is the reason state-level Democrats lost the General Assembly in 2010, and Obama's sign-off of these ridiculous maps are the reason the GOP is going to keep it for the next decade.
Any real progressive or liberal in this state needs to withdraw from working with the DNC and begin to work against Obama immediately.
No we are not. And every time you spout this crap ....
... I am going to be there, me and a couple of links.
Link #1
Link #2
I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?
Those pitiful "accomplishment" links have been debunked
by folks in the policy realm since they were made, but now all you have to do is read the mainstream news to see how false these lists are.
Dodd-Frank? Really? Where is that in effect? It's not. And it's being watered down in the rulemaking process every week.
DADT was repealed DESPITE the Obama administration, not because of it. That action was pushed by protests and court cases and former US Rep. Patrick Murphy than by anything the White House did.
See my note about the Supreme Court scare-mongering in another comment.
And generally, quit being a patsy for folks who are moving this country to the right while claiming to be Democrats.
Thank you, pot. Kettle responds in kind
I've forgotten more about DADT than you'll ever know. Thought that would be know-it-all enough for ya.
Here's a link. This court case is the reason the Obama White House got off its lazy ass to pass and certify DADT repeal before an appellate court did it for them.
And you've still offered no proof that Dodd-Frank is doing anything right now. In fact, didn't former Senator Corzine's company go belly in the same way Lehman did in 2008? Obama has fixed NOTHING. We still have the same systemic problem, and uncritical Democrats happily link to a list of "accomplishments" when there are clearly no such accomplishments happening in the real world.
Who do you like for Pres?
What would this look like? Can you flesh it out a little more in terms of what it would mean for people who wanted to sign on to this idea?
I don't think you have to sell anyone on Blue NC on the value of electing people who are less conservative to office. But if you can draw a realistic path towards getting someone who fits that bill into the White House for the next 4 years I don't think I'd be the only one interested in seeing that. As much as I find short comings with the effectiveness of the current President in some areas, I absolutely don't want Romney to be the guy picking who is on SCOTUS when they're the people who get to decide matters like Citizens United and probably in the coming years will be making decisions on DOMA.
Give some detailed and specific responses to each of those 3 bullet points, point by point, in a way that doesn't make it more likely that Romney is picking Supreme Court members, and you'll have made a large step towards getting me in your camp.
Ah, the scary Supreme Court argument. Here's why it's false.
News flash:
The US Supreme Court has moved to the right under Obama.
I'm open to a discussion that the Justice Souter for Justice Sotomayor trade may be an even one.
But the Justice Stevens for Justice Kagan trade is nothing but a move to the right.
So no. I have no confidence that Obama will move the Court to the left since he's already moved it to the right.
What comes next?
What comes next: A movement back to the center in this country
...and eventually a movement to the left.
I've said what I want people to do, and you've quoted it. I'm not sure what else to tell you.
That means, don't work for the DNC. Tell people who ask you to work/help/donate to the convention or the DNC that you're not working for a right-wing DNC machine, and tell them to take that message to their masters.
Your focus on Nov 2012 illustrates our difference. I care more about the movement of the country back to the center than about reelecting a right-wing "Democrat" who is just fine moving the political discussion to places even Barry Goldwater didn't go.
Thanks, this is starting
Thanks, this is starting to get at what I was hoping to see, which was more specifics in your call to action of "work against Obama".
Are there any additional immediate and specific actions, beyond withholding support from the convention or DNC, that are needed to take us from where we are now to the more center-left government you envision? What about intermediate actions? What about long term actions? How long will it take for this vision to be realized?
I don't think President Obama is perfect, but I think he's better than having something like a Romney-Santorum ticket in the Oval Office. That is something concrete, something with a time line, something with obvious political organizing steps that I can take over the next weeks, months, and year to make happen.
If I'm going to abandon that I need to be convinced, not that Obama is bad, but that there is some realistic strategic plan in place that I could try to follow to end up with this more center-left government you envision, I need to have some sense of how long it will take, and some sense of what I should be doing from now until then to make it happen.
I need some steps filled in between "work against Obama" ... and then we get a center-left government.
Screw dumping Obama...
...I want to know when NC Liberals and the Occupy folks will try and occupy the Democratic Party and take it back from OFA and all the other groups who started to tear down Howard Dean's 50 state strategy and Jerry Meek's 100 county strategy starting in June 2008.
We can see how well their strategy worked. No coat-tails for Obama other than for Bev Perdue - no judges and no other new Council of State seats. No bigger majority in the NCGA - in fact we lost one seat in the NC Senate.
2009 - State and County parties asleep at the wheel, except for all that money and personnel poured into Charlotte to elect Anthony Foxx by 3K votes.
2010 - a freaking disaster! We are in the place we are in this state with all the garbage the Republicans are pushing and all over the rest of the country precisely because we let a bunch of koolaid drinkers run the election.
Here in Wake in 2011 - the koolaid drinkers are still running things, backed up with all those big money private donors and special interest groups. Little to no change in Cary and Raleigh - except that there is one less Democrat on the Raleigh City Council - replaced by yet another UNA candidate. Let's see if all that money buying one switched seat on the Wake School Board is worth the damage done to the Wake County Democratic Party.
Chris Telesca
Wake County Verified Voting
http://noirvnc.blogspot.com
http://statewideirvnc.blogspot.com
Most of your analysis of the failure is correct, but
...your solution is not.
OFA = Obama (and Third Way "Democrats", etc).
So dump them both.
Why would I wish to rebuild (retake?) an infrastructure that you describe as so easily taken before? It's illogical.
I've got my vote. When the "Democratic" party wants my once steady vote for it, it can come back left to find me. That path is more simple and direct.
Just to give you an idea
of how binding this DoJ pre-clearance actually is, here's a little recent history:
Wonder what the court cases say about splitting precincts...
...and creating election administration nightmares in large paper ballot counties that will need more than 40 different ballot styles across the the county? 40 is the magic number, because the ES&S M100 precinct op-scanners can't be programmed to read more than 40 ballot styles.
Chris Telesca
Wake County Verified Voting
http://noirvnc.blogspot.com
http://statewideirvnc.blogspot.com