Enough is enough.

Some of you were at the bloggers conference and heard me booed when I suggested we would support primary opponents to BAD Democrats. I won't mention which NCDP staff member booed me, but I think the stats out today on poverty provide a good example of why enough is enough.

If you are a liberal Democrat in North Carolina, and you can't stand up and bash the conservative Republicans and Democrats that have dug us into this hole, then when will you? What will it take before Democrats stand up and take control the way they did under FDR? We were a nation of Republicans, who believed in government keeping their hands out of the till, and it drove us into a Great Depression.

Well, Republicans learned their lessons, they made sure the stock market didn't tank and that those with a lot of money ended up with more. Their New Depression was targeted to those who can't or won't stand up for themselves because they are too busy working two or three jobs to make ends meet.

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The gulf between rich and poor in the United States is yawning wider than ever, and the number of extremely impoverished is at a three-decade high, a report out Saturday found.

Based on the latest available US census data from 2005, the McClatchy Newspapers analysis found that almost 16 million Americans live in "deep or severe poverty" defined as a family of four with two children earning less than 9,903 dollars -- one half the federal poverty line figure.

For individuals the "deep poverty" threshold was an income under 5,080 dollars a year.

"The McClatchy analysis found that the number of severely poor Americans grew by 26 percent from 2000 to 2005," the US newspaper chain reported.

"That's 56 percent faster than the overall poverty population grew in the same period," it noted.

The surge in poverty comes alongside an unusual economic expansion.

"Worker productivity has increased dramatically since the brief recession of 2001, but wages and job growth have lagged behind. At the same time, the share of national income going to corporate profits has dwarfed the amount going to wages and salaries," the study found.

"That helps explain why the median household income for working-age families, adjusted for inflation, has fallen for five straight years.

Either stand up, or get out of the way, because it is time to bring some old fashioned Fire and Brimstone down on their heads. It's time to take back the mantle of Liberal, of Progressive, and it's time to make it clear that the Republican Party is immoral and it thrives on policies that are evil.

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Whatever.

You can talk about anything you want, obviously, I just don't see the point of folks focusing on seating arrangements, in this case.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

LOL!

Ok, Robert, thanks although I don't think that bad seats is the focus of this discussion or effort.

;)

I disagree.

Maybe WE aren't that special, but the netroots is because it is the building grounds for the new grassroots activism. I'm sure the NCDP gets lots of input from their $20,000 donors and I'm sure the $20,000 donors get a lot of input from the NCDP, perhaps including a meal here and there. But, what about the rest of the party?

I think inviting bloggers, who have a largish reach, is exactly the kind of thing they should be doing. They certainly got their message out to a bunch of people for the cost of a few sandwiches.

As for who they invited, once again, no one has actually mentioned any minority blogger that focuses or blogs extensively on North Carolina politics that wasn't invited. I know there are probably such bloggers, but if I don't know about them, and y'all don't know about them, then how do we expect the NCDP to not only know about them, but to invite them to a small meet & greet????

I think we should be focusing on things like WoW to build the netroots. I guarantee you a year from now, if WoW works the way everyone thinks it will, the number of women invited to a meeting like that will double, triple, or quadruple. AND, it won't be because they felt the need to meet some arbitrary value, it will be because you've actually changed the playing field, because you've actually made a difference in the makeup of the blogging community.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

thank you, but I disagree

Robert, thank you for starting this conversation. I respect your passion about the poverty rate, but disagree with what you think is the path to progress.

I think that the 2006 mid-term elections have emboldened the party's liberal base, but it would be a serious mistake if we forget how to moderate our message and appeal to a broad coalition of groups.

Especially in North Carolina, the Democratic Party's ability to forge a coalition of moderate and conservative Democrats have allowed the Party to control the Governorship, the House and the Senate.

You can't have Gov. Easley's progressive budget (tax cuts for the bottom third, scholarship, pay increases for teachers, and other great progressive things) without the current Democratic coalition.

Sure, a lot of liberals who have worked to make this coalition a possibility would love to stand up and speak loudly about how they really feel about certain liberal issues. But they haven't -- they worked hard for a moderate Democratic government that was possible. It isn't perfect, but it actually happened.

This coalition consists of Democrats who are conservative and moderate. There are very few liberal Democrats elected in North Carolina.

This is the reality that Democrats have to face in North Carolina.

A clear majority of North Carolinians oppose gay marriage, support the death penalty, and are very uneasy with social liberalism in general. If we push too hard on these issues, we will play right into the Republican's hands.

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

I disagree with your assumption.

I think that the 2006 mid-term elections have emboldened the party's liberal base, but it would be a serious mistake if we forget how to moderate our message and appeal to a broad coalition of groups.

I disagree with the very thought that our liberal message needs moderated, and I certainly won't moderate my message to appease those who I feel are wrong.

The idea that "liberalism" is relegated to marriage equality and the death penalty is a Republican talking point. What about poverty? What about equality? What about health care? What about security? What about education?

These are all areas where the social liberalism prevails over the social conservatism that puts profits over people and whose results are poverty, inequality, poor health, a lack of security, and an abysmal education system.

As for the death penalty, opinions change if you work at it. Not so long ago, even a moratorium would "never happen" in North Carolina because we were such "Bush" conservatives.

Nearly two-thirds of adults surveyed in a recent poll said that North Carolina should put a two-year moratorium on executions to study its fairness. The survey, commissioned by the North Carolina Council of Churches, also found majority support in nearly every demographic group examined, including men (64 percent to 30 percent), Republicans (55 percent to 39 percent) and those who said they favored the death penalty (59 percent to 35 percent).

Your problem is that you believe what the right-wing has fed you for all these years. An end to slavery, the national park system, women's suffrage, public education, Medicare, Social Security, Civil Rights. These are all liberal ideas, many of which were pushed into being by Republicans, back before "liberal" became something that only Democrats could be called.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

what about them

The idea that "liberalism" is relegated to marriage equality and the death penalty is a Republican talking point. What about poverty? What about equality? What about health care? What about security? What about education?

What about them? My point is that Easley's progressive budget that attempts to tackle all of these things wouldn't be possible without a coalition of moderate and conservative democrats who are very adept at moderating their message and appealing to a majority of voters in a conservative to moderate state.

Your problem is that you believe what the right-wing has fed you for all these years. An end to slavery, the national park system, women's suffrage, public education, Medicare, Social Security, Civil Rights. These are all liberal ideas, many of which were pushed into being by Republicans, back before "liberal" became something that only Democrats could be called.

I agree that these issues were all championed by liberals. Liberals who were wise enough to build coalitions that were able to create majorities. It took a lot of patience, respect and understanding.

Karl Rove has used gay rights and abortion rights as wedge issues to tear the Democratic majority apart. This is a very cynical strategy that worked in the short term but that won't prevail in the long term.

My question is, why are you so angry at moderates and people in the middle?

I disagree with your basic point that there are a bunch of spineless Democrats out there who are to be blamed for the lack of progress in U.S. politics. Why do you think the center needs to be punished? Aren't they the people bringing the more conservative folks around?

Bill Clinton actually was elected President and accomplished a lot in his two terms. He was a founding member of the DLC, a group that sought to win back the country by moving to the middle and building larger coalitions. Is he to blame?

Who, exactly, do you want to see defeated in primaries?

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

also

Robert, your point about Republicans not being worthy of any respect doesn't really work when you make it with Vice President Cheney.

Well, when the Republican Party once again is the party of Eisenhower, the party that sees the benefit of Medicare and the Interstate Highway System for the PEOPLE, not just the PROFITS, then I'll work with them. As long as their party says things like this...

Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday harshly criticized the Iraq strategy advocated by Democratic leaders in Congress, saying their approach would “validate the al-Qaida strategy.”

Let me tell you why. Cheney's approval rating is at 19%. It takes a lot of Republicans disapproving of him to get that low.

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

No, he isn't

According to polling, the way moderate Rudi Giuliani is the person that Republicans like the most right now.

Did it ever occur to you that Cheney's strategy might be to inflame the Democratic party so much that the liberals and moderates started fighting and were so distracted they didn't have a chance in 2008? That he might be "taking one for the team?"

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

"Repealing the estate tax is like choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest sons of the gold-medal winners in the 2000 Olympics". - Warren Buffett

did it ever occur to you

that Bush and Rumsfeld are secretly hippies who are taking one for the team by destroying Republican values in the minds of voters forever?
Seriously, lets leave the tinfoil for the snark of Tom Toomorow.

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Distinction

between Republicans in office and Republicans at home.

More importantly, I think Robert would argue that Dick Cheney is a manifestation of Republican ideals. (Robert might not, but I would) Cheney is proof of what happens when you believe in all aspects of the Republican platform and allow for no compromise. So, I would be inclined to say that average "Republicans" rejecting him is in some ways rejecting an extreme version of their own views.

I hope that makes some sense, not sure it does.

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