Edwards Event in NC! and Open Thread

Anyone looking for a Live Blog of the Edwards Chapel Hill event needs to hop over to NCDem's Liveblogging from the Edwards Event in NC! where most of the BlueNC crew is.

Then come on back for the post-game analysis.

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Nice rally

Long wait, but it was hometown crowd. Lots of kids.

Put some stuff up at the Carrboro Citizen site

I just got home

My fingers and toes are ice, but it was awesome. I haven't converted my husband yet, though he was there in a T-shirt! (Stand around and they'll find work for you!)

I heard someone say that the police estimated 4500-5000 people. Awesome.

It was great seeing all the BlueNCers there!

Edwards arrived at about 6:33, over 2 and a half hours late, and came onstage about 10 minutes after that.

Given that the campaign purports not to be top-down, I was actually kind of shocked that so much time went by without a single announcement to tell us when might actually get started or to explain the delay. I felt disrespected. My time is worth something, too.

That said, Edwards' message was impressive and pushed all the right buttons (healthcare, poverty, Iraq, etc.). He even mentioned civil liberties, something that too few Democrats talk about.

When he shook my hand (as a fairly important member of the local Democratic Party, I was able to stand in the front row), I asked him "You really mean it, right?" He asked me to repeat the question, and when he understood what I was saying, his smile dissappeared for a split second as he answered "Yes" and really seemed to mean it.

I'm 64. I want to be treated as an adult. I want someone who will lead the country in the right direction. I no longer want a hero that I can worship (Elizabeth Edwards comes close enough already, ok?). I'm beginning to think that Edwards could be the man for the job.

-- ge

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poor advertising.

I agree with you about that, because it was always supposed to be the following, but no one seemed to know.

4:00pm - gates open
4:30pm - National Anthem
4:45pm - Bluegrass
5:15pm - Senator Edwards

that said, it was 6:15 when my wife got home, and I cleaned up the entire event and was home by 6:55, so I think he went on at 5:33 and not 6:33. Unless he only spoke for -15 minutes.

NC Defend Health Care

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Yes, 5:33

Thanks, Robert. You are correct. I think my misinformation came via the Democratic party. I never looked at the website.

That said, I'm pretty sure a lot of people gathered there would have appreciated just being told what was going on.

The music sure was good, too!

-- ge

Besta é tu se você não viver nesse mundo
http://george.entenman.name

Besta é tu se você não viver nesse mundo
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Woo Hoo What a night!

It WAS great to meet so many of you. RobertP. was a captain and even tho he was busy, busy, busy, he took time to pose with us. Missed seeing you GregFlynn, many asked for you. BlueNCer's were given VVIP passes and had a great vantage point. Going to eat a late supper and will post pics later.

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Sorry I missed y'all

It was very last minute, I was out walking with the kids in the woods when I got a call asking to help. That said, we gathered over 500 names, addresses, and emails for the campaign, so I guess it was worth it.

NC Defend Health Care

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

751 days and counting

It was great to see those of you who I did. It's so interesting to meet people who have only existed in writing.

Like Zabouti, I was a little put out by the poor scheduling. The campaign team really needs to work on that as they hit the road.

I like Edwards' themes, but I'm still curious about policies and more nitty-gritty stuff. Still, it's great to hear anyone running on good issues.

My favorite line of the night:
-We need to be patriotic about something other than war.

Also, I talked with someone there who worked on Kerry's website/IT staff. He was impressed with how much Edwards is doing to reach the netroots.

What I was told

at the volunteer meeting was that the gate would open at 4, the band would start at 430, and the Senator would come on around 515 or so, barring traffic mishaps. He came on around 530 by my watch.

I definitely agree that having the main event >1 hour after the scheduled gate time isn't the best idea; I saw several people leaving from the ADA section around 5 or 515 because they couldn't take the chill anymore.

A good rally depends more on timing than the time

I think everyone expected to wait a while for the main event. It was the wait between the band and SJE's appearance that was the killer. You want things to ramp up. The candidate should feed off the building energy in the crowd. The solo staffer who was trying to excite the crowd just didn't do it. If they needed filler, they should have brought back up Mudcat or begged David Price, Brad Miller, or someone else to warm up the crowd.

As for the time itself, if you plan an afternoon rally it should be over before the sun sets.

I learned all this from my only elected office - high school student body president. My most important duty was planning great pep rallies!

I vote for Graig

to be in charge next time. Seriously.

J

PS It was very great to see you again, Graig. Thanks for sharing your knowledge about the in's and out's of the primary season.

We had more time to waste in high school

Robert is correct: Edwards was not particularly late, but knowledge about the schedule was lacking.

Most of us are not high school students: just talk to us like adults and explain the situation. It's a job interview, after all, and we're the employers.

Maybe the people who were running the show knew when Edwards was coming but didn't know when the crowd expected him to come???

Not everyone has BlueNC to gripe to and get the facts.

-- ge

Besta é tu se você não viver nesse mundo
http://george.entenman.name

Besta é tu se você não viver nesse mundo
https://george.entenman.name

I will folow you anywhere Nan!

Where are you going for New Years

A, I wondered where you got to....we finally met TarGator and TarGator Babe! What a fun night!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

Yummmmm

Was a thrill to meet so many BlueNC-ers! With special thanks to Momo and hubby for being so well organized with name tags and signage and much enthusiasm. Many pictures were taken, so there will no doubt be evidence for the record.

As is often the case with me, I left early to hide at home. But I'm really glad I could push myself out there for a bit to spend time with you all. What a wonderful community we're part of!

Much love,

James

What a Great Afternoon!

Everything did run late and we all stood around longer than we would have liked. However, as I remember the cost of admission was free, there was great musical entertainment, I enjoyed the company of the greatest people on earth, and we got to see Edwards up close and personal.

In short...absolutely NO COMPLAINTS.

A phrase from Edwards' speech that keeps coming back to me is calling the troop surge in Iraq "The McCain Strategy." McCain is going to hate that label, and as time passes he'll hate it ever more. However, he's stuck with it. It's his... forever.

There are photos to be seen at this link at Flickr. I just signed up on Flickr for the first time tonight, so if the link doesn't work just go to Flickr.com and search for geopence. The pictures there are all from this evening.

I've not identified anyone, because I thought everyone should have the right to decide whether or not they'd like to be be known by their screen name, photo and given name. If you have a mind to point yourself out to other BlueNC visitors, simply put your name and position in the picture in the comments section under the photo.

I'm 56 years old. I moved to North Carolina five years ago. The previous twenty-five years I spent as a resident of Chicago's north shore and before that Wisconsin, Utah and California. I live in Moore County. My Congressman is Howard Coble, my State Sen

"Escalation," not "surge"

Hey, George, great to meet you in person! But it's the "McCain doctrine of escalation." I think "surge" has more of a "temporary" connotation, plus the fact for many of us "escalation" hearkens back to VietNam. I first notice Edwards referred to it that way, and linked McCain's name to it, when he announced in NOLA, and he's been doing that consistently ever since. We Dems may be late in recognizing the importance of framing, but I think we are finally catching on!

Great to meet Momo, lcloud, Anglico, and so many others!

Pat

Exactly C-Dawg! :)

And calling it a "Doctrine" makes it sound like something ingrained; something that will be done repeatedly and over and over again. A "strategy" is something you do in chess. A "doctrine" is something that guides your entire policy. Great use of language.

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi

A Fine Time Was Had

at the Rally by myself and my Russian exchange student "son", who was a very interested first-time observer of our American political process. It was great to meet Robert and George, and I saw old Greendog comrade Mike Schaul volunteering. The Southern Village green is an excellent venue for a rally; who would have thought the next-to-last day of December would have been warm enough to have an outdoor event? We stood to the right of the stage with Carol Teal and Jan Wilson, the dynamic duo who run Lillian's List in NC. To our left were Tom and Elizabeth, two UNC history grad students who were attending their first political event. We got there at 3:30, and Roman did get bored with the wait. As you all note, the Bluegrass from the hardworking Del McCoury band was top level, but for my money they could have brought back either Mudcat Saunders or that little girl who sang the national anthem to pump up the energy-- both of them seemed to have lung power to spare. I also thought it was a nice touch that JE strolled out in jeans, sneakers, and a warm-up jacket-- it really did underscore the fact that he really is 'home' here.

Definetly Home

And I loved Mudcat. It wasnt the best crowd for him, as it seemed like jokes that he was making got only a few chuckles when they deserved a roar of laughter, but then again, Chapel Hill and especially Southern Village is not exactly "rural America".

PS- Best story for me was trying to keep people from going back behind the stage and having one guy kinda half chuckle and say, "its ok, Im the campaign manager." Im sure my mouth dropped and my eyes got huge. If you havent seen Bonior's resume, go take a gander. He was very good natured about it though. It might be the closest I have ever been to being starstruck though.

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"Keep the Faith"

Why didn't you join us Mac?

We had a sign.....

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

As much as I'd have liked to stay

we had a dinner invitation back home we had to get to. So we stayed outside the fence where Roman could be free to roam (his ipod wasn't enough entertainment for the wait) and we bolted as soon as the speechifying was done. Next time maybe I'll have more time to socialize. I saw your sign though! Good job with the name tags.

We talked about you Lance

we're all so glad you and A and Targator started this blog!

No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.

My new rule for rallies.....

People over 6 feet tall should be in the back, no matter who they are. :) Or at least they should stand behind me. I'm getting too old (and too heavy) to do the crowd surfing thing that used to get me to the front of the stage back in the day.

It would have been a wonderful day just to put faces and "real" names to people I've already "met". But to cap it with John Edwards - leaves me for once in my life, almost without words. Please note, I said almost. He said nothing that I could disagree with on a personal or political level. I wasn't expecting policy discussions or any real meat - tonight was about inspiration.

And inspiring it was. My husband took 215 photos; these were the only ones that really came out worth keeping! (There are at least two pages worth - have fun.) There are some great BlueNC photos, as well as some wonderful pictures of Edwards as he's speaking.

Wonderful day, all. Can't wait till next time.

Oh, and for all of you who kept asking "Where's Moore County?" It's where the next President of the United States grew up.

:)

"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi