Easley uses gay slur to praise Clinton

Yesterday Mike Easley endorsed Hillary Clinton. No surprise there, since like her, he is a "right of center" Democrat. What did stand out was in the course of his endorsement he decides to praise her while using a gay slur.

...nothing I love more than a strong powerful woman." Easley concluded his remarks saying Clinton -- "makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy".

Clinton seemed to see nothing amiss with this remark, but then that is also not surprising to me. For the record:

1) Only bigots use words like "pansy", specifically bigots who are frightfully insecure about their own sexuality and have to denigrate others with childish taunts to feel good.

2) "Rocky" is not the metaphor you want to use for the Clinton campaign.

Apollo Creed, a black guy, beat Rocky to a pulp. Rocky lost. Intimating the Rocky was a homosexual does not change that reality. Why is it necessary to point this out to allegedly intelligent adults?

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I haven't even paid any attention to the endorsement

Ugly....but it'll work with the crowd Easley is playing to.

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Agreed

This is what I don't like about the Easley/Hagan wing of the party.

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This is what I don't like

This is what I don't like about the Easley/Hagan wing of the party.

What about the Easley/Arrowood wing of the party? Do you know how many lawyers would want a Court of Appeals seat in this state?

http://www.equalitync.org/news1/20070825

I won't pretend to know Easley's complete record on gay rights in NC, but you seem pretty intent on declaring him a "bigot" bully who shoves gay kids into their lockers and gives them swirlies. That's just not right.
"Bigot" isn't a word that should just be thrown around.

By "Easley/Hagan" I refer

to the Vichy Dem wing of the party who put corporate interests, and patronizing the red neck crowd above genuine progressive efforts. They are all about "bi-partisanship" and "compromise" even when it means selling out people who they supposedly represent. They will "work with" Republicans, just as the Vichy government "worked with" the Germans. And that turned out so well...

As to "pansy", I said the word is used by bigots, I didn't mention working over gay kids, but it wouldn't surprise me. :)

I have little use for a "good ol boy", even less use for a "good ol boy" in a suit (or a skirt).

Hagan and Easley are prepared to put their own personal ambitions ahead of what is good for the state of NC and many of the people in it.

Hagan has made plain that she has no use for bloggers and can do without gay/lesbian support. Easley has made it plain he wants a cabinet post, and if he has to support someone who will NOT carry the state in November, that's just too bad for NC.

Yeah, if McCain and Dole win, Easley and Hagan lose, but they will still have very high paying jobs, excellent health care, and people vying for their services. The rest of us, especially soldiers, are FUCKED.

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How wonderfully nice of you.

Hi,
"Bigot" isn't a word that should just be thrown around.

And, to you, apparently, "Pansy" isn't a word that shouldn't be just thrown around?
You haven't a clue, do you? No offense but it is so true.

You know what? The "N" word is so universally unacceptable. Do you think it should be "just thrown around"?
Easley is just a bit older than I. In fact, he is the age of those who made us kids cry to sleep at night by calling us "Pansy's".
I don't use that "N" word, not because of political correctness. I don't use it because I know how it makes others feel.
I don't know Easly's gay rights past, but I do know that he knows how damning that "Pansy" term is to us kids from 35 years ago.

Yes, I think "bigot" should not be thrown around carelessly. However, I think that when the shoe fits, wear it. When a spade is a spade, it is a card. When a Pansy is a Pansy, it is myself 30 years ago. Easily teenage years, I was just getting there and, Easley's called me that to let me know I was not normal and worthles, I was a pansy, a homosexual, a fruit, and, YES IT IS SO FRIGGING BIGOTED OF HIM ONLY BECAUSE HE DAMN WELL KNOWS IT'S INFERENCE.
Whether you realize it or not.
Loveya,
Duane

Easley is a big Sissy! And so his tagteam partner Hillary!

...nothing I love more than a strong powerful woman." Easley concluded his remarks saying Clinton -- "makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy".* White boy from North Carolina

Either Easley has been watching too much of " Smackdown" or he is into whips and changes after this quote " nothing I love more than a strong powerful women" Gads! We have finally expose a retarded prevert in office like George Bush........

LOL Crash Easley was impressed w/ Hillary's Bosnia story

Frankly, your post gave me a sickening visual. I may not be able to sleep.

Maybe Crash Easley wants to take Hillary out for a spin.....Or go to Bosnia and duck sniper fire!

crash boom! Bang!

She's tough, she was under sniper fire in Bosnia, she throws back shots with the boys, she threatens to murder a million innocent people....

when did pansy become a gay slur

I've always known it and used it to imply someone is a whimp. Are we looking too much into the words.

Nope...

I've heard "pansy" as a synonym for homosexual my entire life (six years in an all male military school. Just about every dictionary you look at lists it that way, including my O.E.D.

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Nope

Hi,
Nope, how often do you use that word, just if I might ask.
Pansy is rarely used as anything but a flower these days, but go back one day at a time and you will find its primary use (in the time of Hillary, Easley and me) as a word to describe a perverted little "fruit" (another past term for us ungodly homosexuals).
Loveya,
Duane

A slur by any other name

JJ may be right. Maybe it's not a gay slur, but it's stupid nonetheless. Which is about all I'd expect from lead-foot Mike "the NASCAR Wrecker" Easley. His comments about Clinton give new meaning to the word "lame."

It is a slur

Hi,
JJ is not right. "Pansy" is a greater slur than most homosexuals today can understand. It is from a time before "gay rights". A time when there was NO place of security from the horrible life of being born gay.
It is a major slur FROM THE TIME OF HILLARY, EASLEY, AND ME.
loveya,
Duane

You're right

I was just trying to give Easley a tiny benefit of the doubt, which I should have long-since realized he doesn't deserve.

Sorry.

I may have over reacted a tiny bit. I'm just pissed that people try to pass it off as "he didn't really mean that". Well, yes, he did. And if he didn't, he should have known better, the little prig. Endorse who you want for President. That's his prerogative as an American. But to use a slur in your endorsement? Imagine if he had referred to "darkies" or "hebes" or "spics"? That wouldn't have been okay, and the media would have been all over him.

But he can say "pansy", because maybe he meant a flower. Right.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Utter nonsense

I don't know about you, but when I grew up pansy did not have any conotation towards someone's sexual orientation. Pansy, sissy, whimp, wuss, baby, and even girl were equally used interchangeably to mean the same thing, scaredy-cat, or weakling.

I want to see the etymology of pansy so I can know precisely when it entered into the general vernacular as a homosexual.

Let's stop trying to find words to take offense at.

I'm not trying to find words to take at which to take offense.

It's telling that you didn't know that an accepted slang meaning of the world "pansy" is a derogatory word for a gay male. A friend of mine, a gay male, says that a lot of people called him, gay, fag, pansy, queer, etc., before he ever realized he was. They were so cruel to him that he spent recess hiding so no one could find him.

Thank god he's one of the lucky ones not hiding from anyone now.

Here is your etymology.

Online Etymology Dictionary
c.1450, from M.Fr. pensée "a pansy," lit. "thought, remembrance," from fem. pp. of penser "to think," from L. pensare "consider," freq. of pendere "to weigh" (see pensive). So called because it was regarded as a symbol of thought or remembrance. Meaning "effeminate homosexual man" is first recorded 1929.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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we called people pansies all the time

and in no way did it ever have the same meaning as queer, fag, etc.

If you refused to jump off the railroad bridge into the river you were a pansy. it never ever meant that we were using a disparaging word for homosexual

Your usage notwithstanding

it has still been used that way (by people who actually understood the word they were using)
for a long, long, long time.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

I'm with JJ on this one

Until today, I had no clue that pansy was a word synonymous with homosexual.

Please, Linda, enlighten me and JJ as to how this is "telling" that we did not know about this meaning. I really love it when people I've never met pass judgment on me!

I'm passing judgment on the way you're using words

which I think is totally fair in a medium made up of words.

I really love it when people confronted with their own ignorance continue to deny when reality is presented to them.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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I didn't use pansy

Yes, I admit to being ignorant about the meaning of pansy. So does JJ and at least a few others on this thread. I don't think that gives you a right to judge me or them about it.

You once again are missing the point. Tell me honestly, do you think Gov. Easley's message was:

She makes Rocky Balboa look like a homosexual?

Or

She makes Rocky Balboa look like a wimp?

Your answer to this question will tell me a lot more about you than my lack of knowledge of the meaning of pansy says about me.

Thanks

Hi,
It really brings tears to my eyes.
Your friend survived words like "pansy", "fruit", "sissy", etc. I have a lot of friends who decided that death was better than being who they were, and being persecuted for it by the words of others.
It is people like you, who have understanding, that make this world a better place for all.
Loveya,
Duane

thanks for coming by, duane

I have friends who decided that death was better than being called names constantly, too. People have no idea how words hurt. "Sticks and stones will break my bones - but words will break my spirit."

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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UTTER NONESENSE?

Hi,
Someone else gave you an etymology from a dictionary.
Let me give you mine, it is not from a dictionary.

Pansy: (At the same time as Easley and Clintons growing up)
ME, a boy who liked boys, hated himself for it and didn't know why. A word which made some young boys hide themselves away for many of their years. A word so hurtful to young boys (girls were supposed to be "pansy's") that many of them would commit suicide rather than be "pansy's" which is a "homosexual".
I AM FROM EASLEY AND CLINTON'S GROWING-UP TIME AND I AM A MAJOR RECIPIENT OF THAT WORD.
THESAURUS: The "N" word except this one would cross all lines of race, color, creed, etc.

I hope that helps you. You don't have to take offense at it. I take offense at it only because, I am from the time of Easley and Clinton and I know THEY know exactly what hatred they are referring.
Loveya,
Duane

While I understand and appreciate

your efforts, these people KNOW what they are saying. They are comfortable saying it. If the matter gets any press attention, Easley will issue the standard "non-apology apology".

These people are Dixiecrats and they'll take our money while screwing us over when it really counts.

Liberalism as a badge of honor!
No apologies, no excuses.

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and the apology will read

When the hell did this word come to mean this and not that

Sorry, JJ, but it has always been used to refer to homosexuals

Just 'cause ya didn't catch on for a while doesn't mean it won't always that-a-way.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

and the answer will be

1929, Why didn't you know, you little bigot?

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Homosexuality wasn't invented until 1929, right?

Sorry, couldn't resist. I realize a buncha folks will think I'm in earnest.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

I guess I am a bigot

Because I didn't know one definition of a word that people use differently. I could see it as a slur, but under the right context.

This is not one of those contexts.

No, no, you're not getting

No, no, you're not getting away without owning up fully. Repeat after me:

1) Only bigots use words like "pansy", specifically bigots who are frightfully insecure about their own sexuality and have to denigrate others with childish taunts to feel good.

:)

well damn

you got me there ;)

Easley's blowing the secret dog whistle for Dixie Crats

Its part of the Clinton strategy. The secret dog whistle was blown in PA for whites who have racist feelings.

Eeeew,

you may be right but the words Dixie crats puts my teeth to gritting. Aren't they all dead yet?

Progressive Democrats of North Carolina

Kosh needs to take a chill pill

I'm sure the governor was trying to be funny.

And, like many things the governor has tried over the years (mental health reform, stifling emails, wrecking a NASCAR car, etc.), it just didn't work out like he had planned.

Sure he was trying to be funny.

And jokes at the expense of any group are a-okay. How about Easley jokes about uptight jesusfreaks next? Would that be okay with you?

Or maybe he'll try to jew down the budget? Is that cool?

Maybe he'll get some inbred rednecks to keep our northern border safe? That cool?

Get my point?

You'll probably tell me to chill, too.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Why so hateful?

You are assuming everyone is as enlightened as you, or maybe as cynical. Maybe some people actually do not know the real meaning, who are you to judge their intention?

I must admit, I learned something new, because all my life I also thought it was another term for being a wuss or a coward. I have several gay friends at work and I've never heard a discussion about this term. I don't think it's the big deal you're making it out to be.

"Or maybe he'll try to jew down the budget? Is that cool?"
Yeah, that's fine... I'm Jewish, I've heard much worse. Besides, if I hated everyone for their ignorance, I wouldn't have any friends left.

You really seem quick-tempered and very judgmental. Maybe you shouldn't condemn people before knowing all the facts? We have enough hate to go around.

"1929, Why didn't you know, you little bigot?"
"Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi"

"you little bigot?" I don't think your tagline reflects your actual intention. If YOU are the change, then I wish not to see it. I can't see Gandhi responding in this manner...

Shalom!

Oh, just saw your bio entry: "I might be living in the South, but I'm a Jersey girl and always will be. That means I might not always get what I want, but you'll always know how I feel about it."

Well, I'm a Jersey boy, from Paterson... you have to be the FIRST girl from Jersey that I've seen that ever quoted Gandhi !

"Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen." -- Winston Churchill

~!@#$%^&*()

Hey! *I'm* the one who is uptight and persnickety. Linda's the easy going one.

She hasn't condemned, and the last thing Linda is is hateful. Maybe you're the one being a little too quick to judge, eh?

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
-Edmund Burke

Thanks, Brunette.

I might not have been hateful, but I did get pretty damn angry over words. Sometimes I just get pissed off. I appreciate you getting my back.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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Well...

who are you to judge their intention?

A voter.

See, I listen to what they say, analyze the context, and them make a judgment.

I must admit, I learned something new, because all my life I also thought it was another term for being a wuss or a coward. I have several gay friends at work and I've never heard a discussion about this term. I don't think it's the big deal you're making it out to be.

"Wuss" short for "wussy", politer version of "pussy", meaning "having female attributes", because being female is obviously, you know, "wrong".

Just because you and your friends have never encountered a word in a particular context, doesn't mean the word doesn't have that context.

Slang: Disparaging and Offensive.
a. a male homosexual.
b. a weak, effeminate, and often cowardly man.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pansy&x=33&y=11

2 ausually disparaging : a weak or effeminate man or boy busually disparaging : a male homosexual

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pansy

Slang an effeminate man; esp., an effeminate male homosexual: often a contemptuous term

http://www.yourdictionary.com/pansy

. Offensive Slang
a. Used as a disparaging term for a man or boy who is considered effeminate.
b. Used as a disparaging term for a homosexual man.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pansy

3. Offensive terms for an openly homosexual man.

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/pansy

See, we just don't make this shit up, we know what we are talking about. Every dictionary lists it as a disparaging term for male homosexuals.

"Or maybe he'll try to jew down the budget? Is that cool?"
Yeah, that's fine... I'm Jewish,

And you are perfectly free to not be offended by a racist stereotype as much as other people are permitted to be offended.

Well, I'm a Jersey boy, from Paterson... you have to be the FIRST girl from Jersey that I've seen that ever quoted Gandhi !

You should get out more. :)

Personally, I have my problems with Gandhi. He was all about the peace, but he was a horrid racist in his day.

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Just a little sexism, how can it hurt?

I must admit, I learned something new, because all my life I also thought it was another term for being a wuss or a coward.

The term "wuss" is a combination of the words "wimp" and "pussy", neither of which require a whole lot of explanation. Just like pansy, it is (and has been) used to accuse a male of having "girlish" traits, and is considered (by the user) to be one of the strongest insults (just below faggot) that can describe someone's virility. It's actually a double-whammy, because it also denigrates females in the process.

The use of such terms by a 12 year-old boy is intolerable but understandable, considering he's navigating through puberty with the judgment of a three week-old kitten. Mike Easley is pushing sixty. The word "pansy" shouldn't even be in his vocabulary anymore, much less ready to spring up when complementing a Presidential candidate. Either he's still struggling through puberty, or he's got some heretofore unknown "issues" with human sexuality.

Mike? It's been real, and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun, so, you know...don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

eta: Kosh beat me to it. I take way too much time preparing my posts. ;/

etymology of pussy

It should also be noted, that the insult pussy has a different etymology than vulgar term for the female genitalia. It derives itself from the term of endearment "pussy."

At the risk of turning BlueNC

into NCBLue, the versions seem to have a commonality in that they are (for the most part) female in nature:

pussy (2)
slang for "cunt," 1879, but probably older; perhaps from O.N. puss "pocket, pouch" (cf. Low Ger. puse "vulva"), but perhaps instead from the cat word (see pussy (1)) on notion of "soft, warm, furry thing;" cf. Fr. le chat, which also has a double meaning, feline and genital. Earlier uses are difficult to distinguish from pussy (1), e.g.:
"The word pussie is now used of a woman" [Philip Stubbes, "The Anatomie of Abuses," 1583]
But the use of pussy as a term of endearment argues against the vaginal sense being generally known before late 19c., e.g.:
" 'What do you think, pussy?' said her father to Eva." [Harriet Beecher Stowe, "Uncle Tom's Cabin," 1852]
Pussy-whipped first attested 1956.
pussy (1)
"cat," 1726, dim. of puss (1), also used of a rabbit (1715). As a term of endearment for a girl or woman, from 1583 (also used of effeminate men). Pussy willow is from 1869, on notion of "soft and furry;" pussyfoot (v.) is from 1903, originally the nickname of stealthy Oklahoma prohibition agent W.E. Johnson (1862-1945).
wuss
1982, from wussy (1960s), probably an alteration of pussy (2).
Mike Damone: You are a wuss: part wimp, and part pussy
["Fast Times at Ridgemont High" script, 1982]

If one of you wise moderators wants to remove this, I won't mind. Just don't call me a wuss. ;(

Some folks need to understand

that when it comes to word, their meanings and derivations, some of us don't play.

We have very detailed reference books, and some of them, are on PAPER.

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No apologies, no excuses.

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No apologies, no excuses.

Well, I'm a Jersey boy, from

Well, I'm a Jersey boy, from Paterson... you have to be the FIRST girl from Jersey that I've seen that ever quoted Gandhi !

I'm from Wayne. :)

And I keep the Gandhi quote up to remind myself to try to be better. The "little bigot" comment was aimed at Easley. Honestly - he's done enough for me to believe those words are true. I believe him to be a bigot.

Be the change you wish to see in the world. --Gandhi
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You missed my point

Did I say anywhere in my post that what the Governor said was okay? No.

All I'm saying is, I bet the governor has no clue that the word pansy has come to be associated with a slur against homosexuals (or at least before today, he didn't). I myself was in that same camp until today. I've probably never even used the word, or at least haven't in the last 30 years. But if I heard somebody call another man a pansy, I would have assumed it was akin to calling him a wimp and was not any kind of slap about his perceived sexual orientation. And judging from this thread, many other people would have come to the same conclusion.

It would help your case out tremendously if you could avoid knee-jerk reactions to somebody whenever they post something you don't agree with. Attacking me or anybody else for my views on this issue is completely uncalled for. You could have made all the same points above without having to attack me for it.

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