Clyde Michael Morgans Vets Group!

You ask & ye shall Receive!! The Veterans Group Clyde Michael Morgan Associates with is Vets for Peace. Now, I dont know how old you are but these people are the very same rejects from the 60's & 70's who went to Canada, Sweeden & other countries and were associated with Jane Fonda and her F.T.A. Movement! Our troops in the feild do not need to be seeing & hearing this kinda crap and any veteran would know so. If you need to protest ,protest something else like Bush! I even respect anybodys right to burn my American Flag as long as they do it proper! 1st, Wrap themself up in it, 2. Soak in gas &3. Flick their bic while wearing it! Here is their agenda. Just like the 60's again and if you have a relative overseas you gonna let them spit on em?
> > Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:09:24 -0500
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> > A major regional anti-war march and rally in Fayetteville on Saturday,
> > 18 will kick off a week of peace and justice activities throughout the
> > state. Highlighting the connection between the war in Iraq and domestic
> > issues such as spying, torture and the failed government response to
> > Hurricane Katrina, the week is an open invitation to North Carolinians to
> > express their opposition to wars at home and abroad.
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> > March 18: March & Rally for Peace & Justice, Fayetteville.
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> > WHERE: Participants will gather at 10:00 am at the County Health Center,
> > Fountainhead Lane, and march to Rowan Street Park on Woodside Ave for a
> > Rally from 1:00 - 4:00 pm.
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> > WHO: Speakers at the rally will include Iraqi pharmacist Dr. Rashad Zidan,
> > who works in Baghdad and Fallujah to aid victims of war, especially
> > Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst and outspoken Bush administration
> > Summer Lipford, mother of Army private Steven Sirko who died in Iraq last
> > April; Patrick and Bernadette O'Neill of Stop Torture Now; Vietnam veteran
> > and peace activist Wade Fulmer; and many more
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> > March 19-24: A wide variety of actions and a diversity of tactics.
> > will include:
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> > March 19: Rally at Pack Park, 2:00-4:00, Asheville
> > March 20: March on the Pentagon, 9:00-12:00, 410-323-7200, Washington, D.C
> > March 23: Lobbying and vigils at NC Congressional offices,
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> > March 25: Iraq War Resister Camillo Mejia Speaks Out, Greensboro
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> > March 25: Really Really Free Market and Festival of Resistance, Raleigh
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> > For more information and updates on Week of Action events:
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> > Andrew Pearson 919/360-2028
> > Liz Seymour 336/274-1814
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Does Anyone Know the truth?

Go to the Link Provided below. Judge for yourself.

No Questions Asked,So says NC Election News

2000-04-16 - Former felon may be eligible for North Carolina state House race
A North Carolina man who served almost six years in prison for manslaughter may be qualified to run for a state House seat despite irregularities in his voter registration records, officials said. Clyde Michael Morgan of Swannanoa, a Democrat running in the state's 51st House District, was convicted of voluntary manslaughter in 1984. Morgan, who says he's innocent in the shooting death of Anthony "Fat Man" Harvey, must be a registered voter in order to qualify as a candidate. Under state law, a felon's right to vote is automatically restored once he's completed his jail term and been removed from probation or parole, although a person must formally re-register to vote. Local election records appear to show that Morgan was never taken off registration rolls after his felony conviction. Nobody questioned him when he voted in the 1992 presidential election after being released from prison. "He's presumed a qualified voter and therefore a qualified candidate," Zee Lamb, the State Board of Election's general counsel, said Friday.


I cannot comment as to the allegations made in this post and comment, but I know that in the 11th district, most of the focus has been on Heath Shuler on the Democratic side and the sideshow of the Armor versus Taylor primary on the Republican side. I do not think that Morgan's chances are all that great right now.


are you against anti-war rallies in general, or just something about this one?

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.


In reply to your question on Anti-War Rallies I hope to be as civil as Lance has taught me to be. As for me, I am against all anti-war protest or rallies or whatever you want to call them. Why? Robert ,I know nothing about you and I have to wonder if you may be in the 19-20 something crowd.

I am a Honorably Discharged Vietnam Era Vet. I am proud of my country,and my flag! I agree that a person has the god-given right to protest & say what he wants to say. Therefore, I shall have my say.

Now Robert, I have several question's to ask of you! Please tell us all, as there are several other Honorable veterans at this site besides me. Do you know what it is like to be assigned to a field situation, that you may not personally like, but you took a oath to uphold that very same constitution that gave you your rights and all that is plastered on TV is a bunch of idealogic idiots protesting over something they know nothing about? Do you even understand what it feels like to have to hold the blood soaked hand of your best friend as you look into his eyes while his pupils dialate and he dies asking you to make promises you know you cant keep?

Do you understand the Brotherhood that is formed and if you are in my case, Yes,I really want you to awnser this! Do you know or even understand what it means to have to wake up each day with a service connected disibility? I Do! To have been confined to a wheel chair for 9 months? I Do! Can you tell me what your heart feels like to go to the long black wall in DC where my relatives & 3 best friends are remembered ahd have your heart tear out of ya? I can! Better yet, Do you know which group is listed on Panel 3 East at the wall?

Yes Robert, I am also a disabled vet and mabie it isnt important to you but the reason I sometimes dont spell too good and come up to your standards is because sometimes I cant even feel my fingers due to metal & injury to my c-spine. See Robert, I have to live with these issues each & every day of my life. I have been treated like crap from time to time and have seen the results of other veterans treated like crap by the VA & the public. Therefore I have earned the right to say what I want to say about a anti -war rallie whenever I desire to say it! Do you remember Jane Fonda and can you even tell me what the name of her group F.T.A. stood for?

Have you even stopped to take the time to ask a Iraq Vet about or pay attention to the news or go on line and see some of the pitcures of the good we have been doing there. No Robert, No Veteran likes war, But when we were called on we went without question as honorable men have done for hundreds of years! And I have news for you, If you have read the scriptures and beleive in the creator, then you know there will always be wars. I happen to support our troops 100%, it is just their leadership I dont trust.

As for Michael Morgan, this is a free country and i will stand my convictions on the issue with you. If I so choose NOT to vote for a convicted felon who is for Abortion and letting our kids run around smokeing pot then that is my God given right to do so garuenteed under the US Constitution! Dont down me for haveing the same rights garuenteed to you! Also Mr. Morgan is NOT a VETERAN, and he has NO credible Veterans Organizations backing him such as the VVA,VFW ,American Legion, DAV.

Well, I have had my say, and I can hear the gears in your head turning & your thinkin ,Humm! Must be a Shuler Fan. Well Robert, I'll tell you this much. If I am then it is my own business and none of your affair! And futhermore, I do personally know this from experence my friend. You can stand there all day long telling me that Shuler isnt a vet. Well Bud, I got news for you. So what! 90% of the Bush administration isnt. They were in the crowd who took deferments or went to Canada. As for Mr. Shuler, Well Robert, He has more knowledge about Veterans issues & benifits in his little finger than Mr. Morgan,Mr.Taylor,Ms.Dole & Mr. Burr all combined. It is a rare thing indeed when a group of vets can sit down with a non-vet like Mr. Shuler who is as educated on veterans issues as they are.

Now Robert, If all of this greatly upsets you then Lance & Southern Dem & Anglico can ask me to leave this site,that is their right to do so! But Sir, I leave you with this thought! I really want you to think about this. We used to have a saying in the military that "A mans eyes are windows to the truth in his soul"! When I make eye contact with Mr. Shuler or any of his staff, it only takes me 1 second to know they are telling me the truth! Unlike Mr. Morgan & Charles Taylor I dont look at them and see the thousnad yard stare!

Robert, Sir, I wish you all the very best of succuss in this world,Honestly I do. But I also happen to be trained in veterans law & advocatcy & benifits. Of all the canadates running for public office in N.C. I know the ones, not just Mr. Shuler, But All of the ones who will fight for us veterans. And in closeing Sir, I would advise you that is one area you do not want to try to stand toe to toe with me on, nor about protest. You will loose every time. See ,Where I come from ,We Honor & Respect a Veteran of any war or conflict throughout his entire life! We Honor & Respect each other and we never show any disrespect to the American Soldier. I most sincerely hope this awnsers your question as I shall not comment on the subject with you futher!
Spooky Da Dem Vet

Way off

First of all, I've never said word one about your "typing" skills, that's just stupid.
Second, I'm 36 with two kids, neither of which is draft age yet - but they will be one day.
Third, my Dad is a Vietnam vet who once threatened to chain me up in the cellar when I suggested Desert Storm could bring back the draft.
Fourth, I don't even get your point about the Shuler thing, I like Shuler.
Fifth, I think the Vietnam war and its aftermath have taught our country that you can protest policies without protesting soldiers. We lost 50,000+ in Vietnam on a bad policy and would have lost more had it not been for protest - but they should have never attacked the soldiers who were fighting there.
I have not seen any protests these days that are against the soldiers, only the policy. I think we go out of our way to make it clear that we support the troops and not the policy. I don't know what it is like to hold a dying friends bloody hand. I've seen my dad cry for the second time in his life at the wall. I've seen a 20ish something kid walking around the neighborhood with his parents, but minus a leg. I've seen enough to know that I don't support 3000 dead soldiers and another 30,000 wounded because Bush wanted to feel potent.

I've only been to one "protest", a candle lighting. However, in my heart I protest this war every day. I would suggest that unless you want to spend your time counseling more kids that end up in the same situation - you start protesting the war. Because I'm betting that soldiers would respect the protests of a man like you, a man who has been there and suffered because of it. A man who clearly supports the country and military he served, but can call Bullshit when the situation warrants.

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the clouds of war, it is humanity hanging on a cross of iron. ~Dwight D. Eisenhower, speech, American Society of Newspaper Editors, 16 April 1953

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

It took some digging

but I found it! Spooky, did you have Robert mixed up with glassmanfc, who left this post? That guy was rude, and he did make a crack about your spelling.

Just checking. You are Robert are both good guys, and I'd bet $ that you agree on more than you disagree on.

Apology To Robert! Thank You Lance!

Dear Robert......I guess that at 1:30 am my view was a bit screwed up! I most Sincerely Apologize to you sir and hope you will accept it in its Honesty it is intended to be!

I was wrong and most of all I Misjudged you and was out of line. I dont know I just sorta loose it as I am a Veterans Service Officer also and try my best to help.

Mabie, if you want we can get together to present some of our views on this together if you would like. Brother Lance, Thank you for pointing out the error of my ways and my misunderstanding of Robert's comment! You are a true friend and I appericate you .

Spooky Da Dem Vet

You're making me blush

I just thought maybe you had Robert's comment mixed up with the other one.

Beyond the fact that this is America

and everyone has a right to free speech, you have EARNED your right to free speech - don't apologize for it. I asked why you didn't like rallies, you told me. No problem.

Lance - as bluenc takes off, and it is taking off, you will have to grit your teeth and allow people to blast each other. It's inevitable. Luckily this was a misunderstanding, but they won't all be. Good luck!!!

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

Yeah, you're definitely right

I just thought that in this case I knew something that you two didn't. And that's a situation in which I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut. :)

You're the best.


Now here is a idea!

Lance, Seems me & Robert have more in common than weknow. Heck, Sounds like me & him could set up one of those point /counterpoint deals and dig us a foxhole while they try to attack us! HUMMMMM!

Spooky Da Dem Vet

Vets for Peace and mixed message

Republicans should pay Michael Morgan to run in these Democratic Primaries, because he makes Dems look bad everytime he does.

He seems to think that just by denying he is guilty of the murder
he went to prison for, that folks will just nod and agree.

What about all of the other people convicted, sentenced and served.
Are they innocent and framed too?

Yes, there are miscarriages of justice, we know that. Michael Morgan's website shows that he is hardly a peaceable kind of guy:

"Natural law dictates that criminals and the mentally unstable must be removed from a healthy society just like you would remove a cancerous tumor to keep it from destroying the whole body. If everybody started carrying a gun again and using it immediately when needed, there would be a rash of killings for about 6 months (possibly less.) By then the incorrigibles and the unable-to-learn would be eliminated and would no longer be a problem. It is simply impossible to successfully rob a convenience store if everybody in the store, at the gas pump, in the parking lot and on the street has a gun, too, and is willing to use it. Our society has abdicated our natural right to self-defense in favor of an unrealistic expectation of protection and justice from a corrupt, inefficient and inept police and (in)justice system. "

It is ironic that if his idea of gun control were law, he would
be a victem of his own mandates.

Ya'll musta had one helluva spring gala!

Oh My!

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.

Robert and Spooky

I don't post much. Generally just read and think about what folks have to say. Your misunderstanding/exchange, peacefully resolved to everyone's credit, struck a chord. I'm glad we have young men like Robert who see the insanity of war...and men like spooky who've been there and speak to make sure the men who fight/fought wars aren't confused with the often chicken-shit politicians who start wars, perpetuate, and never fight them.

I was MACV...N of Bien Hoa III Corp in 65-66. It's been almost 40 years.

Stan Bozarth

Thanks for stepping in, Stan.

With North Carolina home to so many military families, we need to build the case for supporting progressive policies. They guys I know who are still on active duty split two ways. Half think AWOL Bush is god's gift and they're happy to do his bidding. The other half would frag him.

Great jump-in Stan

Maybe you SHOULD post more. My Dad was C Btry 2nd Bn 4th Arty 9th Inf Div Vietnam 65. A friend's webpage is here, including a shot of my Dad I sent him, and a candid shot of Sammy Davis Jr., CMH.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

They're all so young.



I scanned a bunch of my Dad's 35mm slides to surprise him last Christmas. I had one printed on O-foto and gave it to him for Christmas. It looked just like him, but then again it looked nothing like him. Then I have another picture of him hopping on a deuce and a half that one day I really looked at. I had it by my nightstand for a decade before I realized his face was devoid of expression. I had always thought he was smiling, but it wasn't that. It was just, blank.
Freaked me out.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.

The link you put up..

brought back some memories. Do you know what the cut-in-half flaming 50 gal drums are? I was D bty firing platoon leader, 6th Bn, 56th Arty...HAWK ADA. The tracked 175's are awesome...lived under them awhile. When the rotating band comes off the shell ...combined with the noise of the muzzle's something. Range @ 15 miles or more.

Stan Bozarth

Great Web Page Robert!!

Totally Great!!!


Thank you for your post and thank you for your service to our country. I realize that there are those who oppose the military on the far left fringe, but most of the people I know oppose this war, not our military.

I was heard Mel Watt speak yesterday and he had some interesting comments about national security and what we need to do for our military. I will be posting those later today. (Much, later - yard work calls!) I hope you will stop by to comment.

Vote Democratic! The ass you save may be your own.