Choosing choice

I've been surprised how little discussion there is around here about the Great Abortion Debate. And I don't know whether that's because we're all in agreement (seems unlikely) or because it's just not on the minds of those who spend time at BlueNC. After all, it's not currently a hot topic in state politic, though it could flare up at any time.

The reason I bring it up tonight is because of a discussion I had this afternoon with some friends who are strong Democrats and even stronger abortion-rights advocates. I told them I was doing what I could to help unseat Charles Taylor, which led to a discussion of Heath Shuler's pro-life position. As you might imagine, they were not all that excited about working for a candidate who seems at odds with one of their key agenda items. I explained my pragmatic view that a pro-life Shuler was far better than a pro-life Taylor, and they understood that position. But it still left me a little uneasy. This issue is very important to me, and it seems I've jumped on the Shuler bandwagon in spite of his position. I guess this is what people mean when they say the Democratic party is a "big tent."

I'm sure Heath would rather not have to talk about this issue, but does anybody have any more insight about this than I do? The "issues" section of his website isn't much help.

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Santorum and Casey

in Pennsylvania, where voters have the same dilemma. Re-elect a lyin' cheatin' sleazebag Republican or a pro-life Democrat. I guess when you look at it that way, it's not such a tough decision.

The Party limited PA voters' choices

Casey pretty much required that the PA Democratic machine (and it is a machine) clear the field for him before he'd even get in the race. And Rendell did just that -- got both Barbara Hafer (ex-GOP, but absolutely pro-choice) and Hoeffel (ran against Santorum last time) to step back.

I see this as a piece with what happened in IL recently and there are others -- the Democratic Party is still largely controlled by centrists who undermine progressive candidates wherever they can.

There are two progressive candidates running against Casey -- Sandals and Pennachio. The Party pretty much locked them out of a real primary, but they are both still in it.

I make them all the time

My support for candidates who share lots of positions on single issues can get at much support from me as they're willing to ask for. Those who don't fit my profile get less. If I were in NC-11 I'd be working like hell to get rid of Taylor, and working like hell to get Shuler to understand the inevitable consequences of pro-life politics.

They have every right

to run against Shuler (or support someone who does). After that, when Shuler wins, they should get on the boat. One thing for sure is that a Democratic House and Senate will not outlaw abortion wholly or in parts like a Republican one.

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"One thing for sure is that

"One thing for sure is that a Democratic House and Senate will not outlaw abortion wholly or in parts like a Republican one."

Yeah, that's how I feel about it. As long as the vast majority of Dems are pro-choice, then as long as they are in power, it wouldn't be an issue.

We see that here in NC. It's a good reason to not only work to get these US House seats in the Dem column, but to keep our majority in the state house & senate. Those, plus are pro-choice governor (as far as I know), would keep NC safe from going down the same route as South Dakota.

They're already on the boat

I wasn't trying to say they are working against Shuler, they're not. And they fully understand the importance of taking back one house of Congress. I was simply noting that there hasn't been much discussion about the issue . . . and wondering why.

thing is...

shuler is pro-life, true... but instead of stopping at an anti-abortion stance, he's also anti-death penatly.

the abortion issue is off the table in the 11th.

Don't let the perfect get in the way of the good...

Not every district in the state (or country, for that matter) would elect a pro-choice candidate.

Sad but true.

But if you ignore the many issues where you agree with Shuler because of the ONE issue where you don't, then you're just not being realistic.

Let's win back the House and Senate, then we can start talking about ideological purity...

Pro-Choice wins with Pro-life Democrats

If you take a pro-life Democrat and a pro-choice Republican, the pro-life Dem is always better for abortion rights. The reason is simple: limitations on a woman's right to choose will never see the light of day in a Democratic controlled Congress. A pro-choice Repub will just vote control of the chambers to the rabidly pro-life Republican leadership, who will shove through restrictions despite the pro-choice Repub.

They say

That Democrats want to fall in love, and Republicans just fall in line.

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I'm just glad we got the 8th right

Really glad. I'd have taken this year off as uninspired otherwise.

RANT so glad to see you here

Larry is awesome. They still need to pick up the fundraising, but he doesn't have to match Robin dollar for dollar. I think it's pathetic that the millionaire has to spend so much to hang onto his seat and a virtual unknown can lead in the polls having spent pennies on the dollar.

I'll be at a poll tomorrow for a good part of the day. I'm excited for Larry and his campaign manager, Steve. It's going to be a great kickoff to the real campaign.



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