Breaking: Republicans try procedural end run to bring marriage amendment to vote

Our wingnuts here will not quit. House Bill 493 is back and the Republicans in the North Carolina General Assembly are trying to bring it to a floor vote next week by using a procedural end-run to recall the anti-gay amendment  from the Rules Committee.  (N&O):

House Republicans say they will attempt a procedural maneuver to bring up a proposed constitutional amendment barring same-sex marriage. The bill, which has more than 60 co-sponsors, has been sitting in the House Rules Committee for months. House rules say 72 of the 120 members would have to agree to take up the measure to pull the bill out of the committee and onto the floor. A similar three-fifths majority of the members in the House and the Senate would be required to put the amendment on the ballot for the November election.

This, friends, is how much these GOP bigots are tired of having their amendments die because the Dems in charge have bottled up and killed bills like this multiple times, leaving NC as one of the last states in the South without a discriminatory amendment on its books.  Look at the level of insanity of these people -- screeching the old "activist judges" line.

Rep. Tim Moore (R-Cleveland) and Linda Johnson (R-Cabarrus) gave notice today they will move to recall the state Marriage Protection Amendment, House Bill 493, from the House Rules Committee, which has not acted upon it since its introduction, to the House Floor for a vote on May 23. The following day is "Crossover Deadline" at the General Assembly, when many bills must pass the House or Senate to be eligible for consideration in the other Chamber. House Bill 493 was assigned to the Rules Committee on March 6.

"There are several reasons this bill is necessary," according to House Republican Leader Paul Stam (R-Wake). "Under the Full Faith and Credit clause of the U.S. Constitution, whether or not North Carolina is required to give credit to the acts of other states, like Massachusetts, depends to some degree in the form in which our public policy is expressed. A constitutional amendment adopted by the people is a stronger argument to make to a federal judge. And under the rules of comity it would strengthen our hand with regard to foreign same sex marriages.

"Liberal groups have relied on state constitutions to demand, and in some cases receive, rulings favoring same sex marriage," Stam said. "The framers of our state's 1868 constitution obviously did not intend to legalize same sex marriage or polygamy. But words can be twisted if this amendment is not adopted. It is not enough to say that our Supreme Court would never interpret our constitution that way. Who knows what it would do in future years? More importantly, who knows what a single Superior Court judge or a single District Court judge (resident in a liberal district) might do to disrupt our marriage statutes until those rulings could be corrected by our Supreme Court.

This is yet another attempt to ban any legal recognition of same-sex committed relationships, led by a group of people who are wasting time on this rather than the relevant state business. As Equality NC noted in its email action alert,

* The amendment would write discrimination into our constitution.
  * It's about more than marriage. The bill would ban any kind of protections for same-sex couples, and could prevent private companies from offering domestic partner health benefits.
  * The constitution is supposed to protect the rights of minorities, not take them away. The rights of a minority should never be put to a vote of the people.
  * People of faith differ on this issue. The NC Council of Churches and many ministers across our state oppose this amendment.
  * The amendment does nothing to address the state's real problems and is not a priority for voters.

Tar Heels, write your representative (an easy form is here) and tell them not to allow this anti-gay, anti-American bill to be brought to a vote in the NC House. If it does, it will surely pass, and if it ultimately ends up on the ballot, we will again see an example of "the people" to decide who can be denied civil rights.

A summary of the bill's language and links to co-sponsors:

Marriage is the union of one man and one woman at one time. This is the only marriage that shall be recognized as valid in this State. The uniting of two persons of the same sex or the uniting of more than two persons of any sex in a marriage, civil union, domestic partnership, or other similar relationship within or outside of this State shall not be valid or recognized in this State. This Constitution shall not be construed to require that marital status or the rights, privileges, benefits, or other legal incidents of marriage be conferred upon unmarried individuals or groups."




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Thanks, Pam

I've been all over this like a cheap suit today. Thanks for keeping it alive.

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
Mohandas Gandhi

That Loser Boylan



What a tool. His utter worthlessness to anyone other than his financiers becomes more and more apparent every day.

I am now officially "ashamed" of my county's representative.

It's sad, isn't it?

No point in writing to him.

But I'm going to anyway.
The Den
It's your democracy; use it.

Sent mine off

And shared the link via my LJ.

For some reason the pictures made me think...

Of the George Carlin quote:

Have you noticed that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn’t want to sleep with in the first place? There’s such balance in nature.

I know different issue, though if I had to place a bet I'm thinking they're "against abortion" also.

Bravo, Rep Faison

This just came in my email:


I do oppose such a constitutional amendment.

Thanks for your note.

Best regards,

Bill Faison

I'm blessed to move to a county with Dem representation and with a Rep who actually cares. Kudos, Rep Faison!!

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
Mohandas Gandhi

He hasn't sent me one yet

Are you Alamance, rural Orange, or Caswell? I'm semi-rural Orange.

I'm in Caswell

just south of Yanceyville... that's about 1/2 hour up 86 from Hillsborough.

I wrote him back a thank-you. Wonder what he'll have to say on the clean energy assistance...

"The most unamerican thing you can say is 'You can't say that'" - G. Keillor

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
Mohandas Gandhi

We're through there a lot

since my better half's Dr's are in Chapel Hill. It's quickest for us to come down 86.

"The most unamerican thing you can say is 'You can't say that'" - G. Keillor

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
Mohandas Gandhi

Handily enough

that's the weekend before my favorite family reunion (Stuman/Stewman). It's a hike to Franklin, NC, but oh! the food's so good it'll make you slap mammaw down :-)

Thanks for the heads-up. We'll rizzavip right now. CU chez vous.

"The most unamerican thing you can say is 'You can't say that'" - G. Keillor

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
Mohandas Gandhi

Who all is coming at this point

Not like I can afford it, though.

I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. - Bill Hicks

Defending Marriage

Why is it "conservative" to amend our founding constitution and "liberal" to simply leave it alone?

And by the way, my marriage of 26 years does not need to be defended by a constitutional amendment, thank you very much. And if LGBT folks threaten your marriage, no amendment is going to help you or "Defend" your marriage.

Please, help me get rid of Stam!

Ed Ridpath
Democratic Candidate for NC House 37

Ed Ridpath

Excellent point, Ed!

Any marriage that is threatened by someone else's - anyone else's - relationship has serious issues that the legislature can't fix.

The Den
It's your democracy; use it.

Several possible reasons

Gay marriage threatens the male-dominant, female-submissive patriarchal paradigm. Any marriage between same-sex partners would subvert this paradigm and hence threaten it. Marriage beween equal opposite-sex partners is also subversive and threatening to this paradigm, which is why so many televangelicals cry such opposition to feminism.

I suppose this is a fair enough place to out myself: I'm bisexual. I'm also married, but we're polyamorous. I'd wager my mere existence is threatening to a lot of fundagelicals.

Reduce the terms of the equation

and it's much more manageable. The bottom line is that they don't understand love. If they did, in any shape or form, they wouldn't act the way they do. Everything they talk about is sexsexsexsexsex and nothing about love. Clearly, they know nothing of the art of lovemaking, either (and yes, it is an art). G'd wouldn't have given us the means and discernment if we weren't meant to enjoy and be as skilled at at as any other endeavor.

I pity them, really, not to understand either eros, agape or pure simple love of Spirit. I pity them, not to understand the difference between sex and love, or how those are appropriately approached. I don't see any problem at all in polyamory, if all parties are dead-honest with one another. My partner and I enjoy "spice" together; we can separate the deep love and commitment we have with one another from the physical friendships that we share. It's the honesty that keeps relationships alive. Lacking honesty, the wackogelicals could never engage in any sort of meaningful relationship.

Again, more's the pity. But that streak of compassion I feel for them doesn't open any such door for them to impose their lifestyle choices on my life.

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
Mohandas Gandhi

Is it any wonder

that a political philosophy founded on fear and hate would find it impossible to understand and allow love?

Draft Brad Miller-- NC Sen ActBlue

"Keep the Faith"

Great point

I thought Stam didnt believe that government could solve all of our problems.

Draft Brad Miller-- NC Sen ActBlue

"Keep the Faith"

Keeping Big Government out of the rooms

Many years ago I heard that conservatives want to keep Big Government out of the board rooms--but in the bedrooms.

Rev Sharpton had a point

that went something like: the government doesn't need to worry about who might be busy in the bedroom. They need to worry about who ain't eatin' in the kitchen.

Exactly. Lack of real education, poverty and hunger shouldn't exist in this country. Unfortunately, the Repugs have dismantled or parted-out every path to eliminating all of these. Their politics of absolute consumption has eroded our infrastructure, our jobs, our pride. The only thing left to destroy is the Constitution. I'll be damned and I mean it.

No matter if I ever get to marry my partner and make an honest man of 'im. With my last breath, they'll not take my Bible away to replace it with moony wackogelicalism; they'll not take my flag; and I'll be damned if they'll take my Constitution and birthright, either. So long as the founding document with its Bill of Rights exists, so does our path to greatness.

I regard state constitutions with no less value. To use these documents to take swipes at the US Constitution is nothing less than underhanded and possibly seditious.

A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.
Mohandas Gandhi

My marriage is OK, thank you

So the GOP wants to protect my marriage. It is doing well enough without their "help".