BlueNC Presidential Debate Discussion Thread

Join us here to discuss tonight's presidential debate between Senators John McCain and Barack Obama. We will continue to hold the discussion thread open until midnight. I will have instant poll numbers available at 11:00 p.m. from Greenberg, Quinlan, Rosner - the firm responsible for the delicious DCCC commissioned poll that brought us the exciting numbers from the 8th District. As many of you know, those numbers were confirmed by SUSA an independent polling firm today.

Tonight we don't have any drinking game rules, but we are suggesting donations be made to Ed Ridpath's campaign in the amount of $5 each time John McCain uses the word "maverick." You do not have to donate to Ed in order to participate in this thread. I thought it would be a good idea to help out a candidate who has done so much for BlueNC.

See you here during the debate. Thank you for chatting with us here at BlueNC.

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Looking forward to it

I hope some citizen calls out McCain for his despicable campaign of lies. I hope McCain gives a shout out to Pat McCrory, thereby adding a few more tons to the lead weight hanging around the mayor's political neck.



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Doubts about Dole?

Heading out to Krankies Coffee

where I expect to watch the debate with a room full of enthusiastic Democrats, cheering and hissing at the appropriate points. I will try to check in briefly late this evening with any comments that seem worth making at that time.

It's ironic that at this point Obama primarily needs to hold it steady, while establishmentarian McCain needs to throw bombs and Hail Marys. We shall see whether Cool Hand Barack or the Wild Man improves his position.

Dan Besse

Dan Besse

The Mythical Undecideds

If a voter is really undecided at this point, if they haven't taken the time to get up to speed on the candidates during the last few disastrous days, months, years - why do they earn the right to ask a question? Really, where else in society - other than the current madministration - do we reward indifference at this level?

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

I don't know Will.....

I think a lot of people still are holding out for the old John McCain and they just don't realize that John McCain is long gone. I think it is confusing to people as they see this side of John McCain. It's simply taking a little longer for that to sink in so they can decide how they will cast their ballot.



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those undecideds

Hey
lets not look down on those Undecideds! if you rely on tv news, what information would lead you to know what the difference is between these two candidates or parties?

a good friend has been canvassing in a working class area where he has been asked questions about why he can support Obama such as:
1)" I heard that Obama's mother is married to a terrorist." And when my friend tells them that his mother died long ago, this person actually is relieved to know it.

2) one person actually said she could not vote for Obama because he was the anti Christ. He replied that Obama is a Christian. Then the person brought up all that stuff about Rev. Wright , as proof that we were not lying. Eventually, this person seemed to be rethinking her vote. It seems like engaging with these undecideds you discover how much bad information they have. They almost seem to want to be shown that stuff is wrong, but they can not figure it out themselves and the media is not always so helpful.

TurnNCBlue

There were some decent questions....

There were some decent questions though the more pointed ones seem to come from Brokaw. The "uncommitted" (how about that framing doublespeak?) the various news outlets rounded up for instant post-debate feedback have been disappointing.

Betsy, you're dead right - old McCain supporters have only worked their way into step 3 (bargaining) or 4 (depression) of the 5 step mourning process. Maybe 28 days is enough time to process the final one - acceptance. Acceptance that your candidate has totally rejected those traits that attracted you initially.

Again, if the current economic crisis hasn't sent you scurrying to the library to research these guys, you have to wonder how serious they are processing issues like loose nukes, Russian ascendancy, conduct of the campaigns, Wall St. oriented bailout, etc.

I will concede that the MSM has once again done a terrible job - including setting up some false equivalences in an attempt to balance the extreme differences so they can sell their lack of bias - gag!

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

CitizenWill
there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but he must do it because Conscience tells him it is right. MLK,Jr. to SCLC Leadership Class

that one

CNN mentioned that moment in the debate when McCain disdainfully referred to Obama as "that one" but someone cut off the description of it. It was a classic moment.

What would folks have said if Biden had referred disdainfully to Palin as "that one" ....and that does not parallel the similarity to racist motives that might be associated with that expression.

Will it be the macaca moment?

Did anyone need to have it demonstrated that MCCain is uncomfortable talking to Obama?

TurnNCBlue

Yeah, just saw a YouTube clip from CNN

They love them some John McCain.

John McCain looks like a guy whose head you can barely see over the steering wheel...looks like the guy who thinks the nurses are stealing his stuff. 'Dad, why would they take your socks? It doesn't make sense.' Letterman

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

I thought McCain looked a

I thought McCain looked a bit frail and doddery during this debate. Having both candidates together in such close quarters and not behind a lectern did not work to McCain's advantage. Obama looked fresh, tall and urbane as usual. McCain looked small, cringing and ancient.

Proud Educated Elitist With a Poison Pen

Proud Educated Elitist With a Poison Pen