Beverly Perdue

just lost me. Today's N & O says Carolyn Grant is a host for a fundraiser for Perdue this week. You all know that history. She was just campaigning for the vermin a week ago.

Link to the N&O article: Under the Dome [updated by g]

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That is too creepy

n/t

Bev Perdue lost me when she raised $60,000

in Charlotte weeks ago when candidates like Larry Kissell needed fundraising help. She didn't do a joint fundraiser with deserving '06 candidates and she easily could have. Height of selfishness. She is showing little to no discretion when it comes to raising money. I'm sure there will be other candidates in other races for me to champion. I won't waste ink on Bev and at this point won't waste my vote on her either.

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Thanks for telling me that, SD

I know I have someone on my side and it couldn't be a better someone. You are the best.

Lovex7

Thanks Love

I've been biting my tongue for a while now and that may have come out more harsh than I intended. However, I meant every word.

Larry set the standard. You live your values whether you are in a campaign or not.

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You and I emailed back and forth on this I think.

I basically felt that she blew her chances when she did that. She could have had a HUGE netroots/grassroots boost, instead she was talking about how proud she was to raise that much during an off-year election.

Now, I'll support her completely in the general against any Republican, but this dimmed my view of her.

The fact that her newest fund-raiser robo-called for Vermin against Brad Miller? Wow.

I can't even talk about it.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Yes, we did

...and I really have held my tongue.

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Let 'er rip.

That's why the blogs are the blogs. As I wrote down below, I was/am annoyed that she didn't see the opportunity to do what Edwards did for Shuler and Kissell - headline a huge fundraiser. Part of this is that I DO like her as a candidate and such an act would have been further proof that she was the one for me.

As it is, like I said below, there are six to seven layers of races that will be going on in 2008. Right now I'm looking for the campaign that inspires me to give my time. I think you can appreciate that more than any other - if Larry wasn't Larry would you have been so dedicated? Well, in your case, probably yes!!!! But, many others were so drawn to him because of WHO he was and not what seat he was chasing.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Nope...you hit the nail on the head

it was because Larry is Larry.

I want someone to work for like Larry. I wish Brad was closer to me. Actually, in '08 I'll live in McHenry's district, so I'll help the person running against McHenry. I will also help Larry run for re-election. ;-)

You're right - there will be plenty to choose from. Think of all the additional NC House/Senate candidates to support when the 100 County strategy kicks in.

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This is really discouraging to me.

I have taken my eye of the Perdue ball and was not aware of all this crap.

You all know I was an early supporter . . . but this it more than I can stomach. I have sent a note to some people who know her asking for an explanation of "all of the above." I'm guessing I'll hear some "big tent" bullshit, which only goes so far. A "big tent" that doesn't include support for progressives like Larry is not a tent I want anything to do with. A big tent that take money from a has-been hack who supported Vermin Robinson is equally unappealing.

*fuming*

did you guys hear that?

That was the bubble bursting on her netroots support.

However, even with all that I would still work my ass off to get her into office because I think that she would do a good job, and certainly would be 100 times better than Blount or those racist windbags who have already declared.

HelpLarry.com

"Keep the Faith"

Bubble repair underway

I've been a supporter of Perdue for quite some time, driven by her serious interest in progressive environmentalism and choice. So I hate like hell when I hit these rough spells. For example, I had to "get over" my disappointment of her lottery vote.

But if there is anything I've learned from spending the past year in blogging, it is this: things go wrong, nobody's perfect, and single-issue voting is stupid.

I'm impressed that people close to the Lt. Governor's office are keeping an eye on BlueNC. That helps make this a transparent system that is fully self-correcting and accountable. Sort of like we wish our government was.

This isn't an issue

it's a character flaw. How her campaign is run reflects on Perdue and her campaign is making her look greedy and arrogant. She not only dominated the fundraising when others were in greater, more immediate need, but she dominated the media for a couple of days right before an election.

I've never been a single-issue voter and never will be.



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Disagree.

You have a right to any opinion about this you want, but I know what character flaws look like . . . and this ain't it.

PS And I can't find one story in the Charlotte Observer about her before the election. Not what I'd call dominating the media.

Okay.

This discussion has gotten the attention of people who know the stories behind all these stories - some of whom have called me. I've invited them to register and make their own comments, but in the meantime here's a quick report from one conversation I just had.

First off, Beverly Perdue went door-to-door with Larry in the 8th district on the day before the election. I should have known that, but I didn't read the Under the Dome story where it was reported.

In the 8th Congressional District, Republican U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Dole spent the day campaigning for incumbent U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes of Concord. Democratic Lt. Gov. Beverly Perdue stumped for Hayes' Democratic challenger, Larry Kissell.

Perdue also volunteered her time at fundraising events and her voice in recorded messages for state legislature candidates such as Julia Boseman, Greer Beatty, Alma Adams, Rick Glasier, Ty Harrell and Walter Dalton. A lot of other candidates were mentioned, but I couldn't read my quick scribbling.

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These are the facts as I know them and I'll let you decide whether Beverly Perdue deserves your support or not. I can understand Southern Dem's frustration that the Lt. Gov. was in Charlotte raising money for her own campaign instead of helping Larry out, but that's not cause enough for me to write her off.

Is she perfect? Of course not. She has a big job and has to balance lots of competing priorities. But she's going to be the next Governor of North Carolina - and I'm glad she's listening to what's happening out here in the netroots.

A

PS I have a feeling the Perdue people were pretty surprised themselves that Carolyn Grant is a host for her fundraiser. It'll be interesting to see how that all shakes out. (The N&O link above is the same story that talks about Grant's robo-calls for the Vermin.)

Thoughts.

When Lt. Gov. Perdue campaigned in Charlotte during the NC08 election campaign, she lost my GOTV efforts. I say this as a realist that knows 2008 is going to be chock-a-block with candidates. President, Senate, Governor, lt. Governor, NC-05, County Commissioners, etc.

As such, I only have so much time, and even less money to give. The idea that she was bringing on a mouthpiece for Vermin was enough to finish off any hopes of my working for her campaign directly. Again, I would work for dems throughout the state, which in a way would be working for her, and I certainly would canvass my neighborhood with voter guides, etc.

If she didn't know this woman person was hosting her fundraiser, then I can forgive that. She still alienated the netroots part of my world by raising money that WOULD HAVE given Mr. Kissell the extra 500 votes and the race.

I like some of her ideas and I hope she comes out as a strong PRogressive. That would mend some fences for me, perhaps that is what she was doing knocking on doors with Mr. Kissell the day before the election.

CountryCrats - my thoughts, my blog.

Jesus Swept ticked me off. Too short. I loved the characters and then POOF it was over.
-me

Fair enough.

We each have only so much time . . . you, me, her, whoever.

I don't know this for certain, but I'm guessing she's driving so hard on her own campaign because she wants to create a war chest that will scare off competitors. If so, I say more power to her. It's a savvy strategy.

Grant for Vermin

She also hosted a fundraiser for him in her home.

Lovex7

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I guess I'm a little less concerned about folks raising money during the 2006 elections, whether it's Perdue raising money in Charlotte or Richard Moore's Election Eve fundraiser in Raleigh. What worries me more is all these stories about ethics. And I guess I'm more concerned about the pay-to-play stories I've been reading about Moore. That executives with companies are making large contributions and getting big business from his office.

Linky, linky please

I love to read factual info about stories like this. Will you provide a link please? I've not seen any news like this down our way.


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Perdue will have trouble in the 11th

where she gave the love to Charles Taylor at a public event in Cullowhee last year. How can anyone who lived with that "man" for 16 years vote for someone who promoted him over the democratic challenger?
 
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the Drama.

Can you give me a link to that story?

I've heard this a bunch, but can't find details on what "the love" was all about. Thanks!

A - scanned Lexis Nexis

I can't find anything about Perdue giving it up for Chuckie or Xerox's charge of corruption against Moore.

It's understandable that the first wouldn't be in the MSM - depends on where/how/when she said it, but Xerox said he/she had been "reading" about these stories about Moore......If it was going to be anywhere it would be in Lexis Nexis. I'm going to refine my search and see what I can find. I intentionally made the first ones broad, but it takes for friggin' ever. I'll let you know if I find anything.

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Thanks SD.

All of the above . . . in fact this entire thread . . . makes the case better than I could about why I don't want a contested primary. Both candidates are decent people and yet neither is perfect by any stretch. But the truth is, a gubernatorial primary will turn into a slug-fest. The candidates themselves may not fuel the fire, but the 527s, big bidness, etc., will jump into the fray. And when that happens it'll all go negative, sure-as-shootin'.

And THAT means that guys like Bill Graham and Fredly Smith will be able to reach deep into their own millionaire pockets to fight a weakened opponent.

No smoke, no fire, no cigar

The only trace I have of a connection between Perdue and Taylor is from Perdue's own website and there is no praise for Taylor.

There was some buzz about Moore's fundraising in the News & Observer, a critical 3/3/06 op-ed by Charles Heatherly who retired in 2001 as a deputy state treasurer and, a 4/17/06 article. Heatherly is a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the lottery. Richard Moore is one of the named defendants. Art Pope Bob Orr is the lead attorney.

A rebuttal letter to the N&O by Stacey Phipps, Chief of Staff and General Counsel, Department of State Treasurer called Heatherly's article "a charade of epic proportions":

As a political consultant to former state Treasurer Harlan Boyles, Heatherly helped raise money for his former boss from exactly the same sources. Every elected official in North Carolina, such as the governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general and members of the General Assembly, receives campaign contributions from individuals or organizations that either do business with the state, want to do business with the state or are regulated by the state.

Much of Moore's campaign money has come from out of state financial companies, some of whom do business with the treasurer's office and manage parts of the state pension fund. This was also a story in the Charlotte Observer 9/21/06

Despite the questions there is nothing illegal and as the 4/17 N&O article said:

One reason Moore has turned to out-of-state money is because Lt. Gov. Beverly Perdue has locked up many of the state's traditional Democratic donors.

Thanks, Greg.

Good digging.

I know a really good man

who took contributions from out of state. :)

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IT didn't make the local paper

No paper wrote about it. But then, papers rarely write the truth about anything to do with Taylor so I'm not surprised. I wrote about it that night on this very website.

I have several witnesses, most of whom hold fairly high elected offices within the party, all of whom were pissed and somewhat shocked.

 
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the Drama.

Oops

I'm referring to SD's comment about my Bev comment. I still haven't figured out the reply crap.
 
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the Drama.

DQ

I found original comments at this post

I just heard from someone who heard from someone else (i.e. it must be true) that Bev Purdue spoke at Western Carolina this afternoon and credited Charles Taylor with being instrumental in getting technology improvments (maybe broadband access?) out there. Does you know if this is true?

This is a description of that event:

PURDUE SPEAKS AT WCU

April 3, 2006

Lieutenant Governor Beverly Purdue says the world is changing and North Carolina must continue to focus on education to keep up. She told a gathering of students and local officials at Western Carolina University Saturday that economies are changing. She says a leading economist is right in saying the world is becoming flat in the 21st century.

“What that means for those of us, Republican or Democrat in western North Carolina and in North Carolina, is that our role has changed tremendously and that the folks you now need to worry about, our sons and daughters, the things that they have to worry about are all so different than the things that you and I had to worry about if you’re over 30 in America,” says Purdue.

The lieutenant governor says education is the key to economic development. She says Chancellor John Bardo is right when he says education is multi-dimensional.

“The chancellor told me that he believes the purpose of an education, other than building a person who is well-rounded, well-spoken, and thoughtful, a good liberal arts person that I am, that he also believes in building a person that has a resume and the opportunity to get a 21st century job and that’s what education should be about in this century,” adds the lieutenant governor.

Purdue spoke at a reception sponsored by Western’s Department of Political Science and Public Affiars, the Public Policy Institute, and two area women’s political groups.

I have no doubt that if Bardo was mentioned there was some reference to Taylor but without quote or a paraphrase of her words it's really hard to understand or make any judgement one way or the other.

Greg, thanks for looking that up

I remember not finding any references to the Taylor comment at the time. However, after that original comment, I talked to several others who confirmed the original source.

And every witness remarked (in anger) that the "loving" remarks were completely unsolicited and unnecessary, especially in with a tough election looming.

But I know we need to find more evidence. I'm glad you guys keep digging at this. We all (including me for sure) need to do our best keep up accuracy and use primary sources.
 
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the Drama.

Here's why it all makes me so angry

that our Lt. Gov. would say anything even remotely positive about Taylor in this context:

Taylor gets federal educational grants supposedly "for the district" which he funnels to regional U's through his family-run non-profit. This non-profit (whose name has escaped me -- Education Research Blowjobs is my best sleepy guess) gets most or perhaps all of their funding from the feds. (It was 100% on their last 990 form. Screwy has a copy.)

This "non-profit" not only rents office space from Taylor's building, it also has a remarkable million-dollar annual payroll that includes $120,000 to Taylor's cousin/nephew(?) who only works part time.

Taylor loads the non-profit's board with University presidents. That keeps them so busy reaching into each other's pants trying to grab bigger pieces of the pie that they don't notice (or don't care or can't afford to care) how much Taylor has already consumed himself.

And I would not be suprised at all if some of the money gets through to some great causes, but there is so much crap along the way that any University's participation is at least somewhat questionable. For example:

In the final days of the '04 election,a high level administrator (maybe even the chancellor?) at Western sent an email to the faculty saying a vote for Patsy Keever was a vote to end their jobs. Of course, the Keever campaign had no time (nor the email addresses) to even try to counter this claim.

And, even if the research and educational opportunities being funded are totally wonderful, using such a goody-two-shoes cover to spread our tax dollars among family members while arranging for universities to do dirty campaign tactics for him . . . well, does that sound the kind of good works that deserve praise from someone asking for our gubernatorial vote?

Please forgive me if you already knew all this or I'm too defensive. As you can see, I must be mentally ill. I'm still using the present tense. I can't accept that the scary movie is over and the monster is really dead!

No, not at all



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Education and Research Consortium of the Western Carolinas

From Sourcewatch:

The Education and Research Consortium of the Western Carolinas, a non-profit that Taylor helped found in 1997 and whose $12 million budget is funded entirely by federal tax dollars, also receives money from the Russian program earmark. Two of the Consortium's board members are also Taylor campaign donors

John Bardo, Chairman

Drew Van Horn, Board Member
John Lindberg, Board Member
Max Lennon, Board Member
Jack Cecil, Board Member

Christopeher Dennen, Program Director
John Hunter, Executive Director
Pamela Johnson, Home School Director

I'm surprised more wasn't made of this during the campaign but I guess now it's moot.

Now, didn't I say it had blowjob

in the title?

I'd forgotten about the Russian scholarships. Much was made of that by Heath, and AP during the campaign.

But as to the other funds, I think most locals thought he was getting them some kind of deal. And, hey, if he's skimming off the top for his peeps, well, that's the way things are done 'round these parts. Wink Wink.

Yeah, thank god it's moot. But we should prob'ly keep an eye on this stuff. The next contender for the 11th is going to come from these types, don't you think?
 
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the Drama.

I figured it wouldn't make the paper

....but I bet there's a tape somewhere. :)

You probably did the reply thing right, but it dropped down to the bottom of all the replies to my comment. It is hard to follow.

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I asked around at the time

but no luck. But I didn't think of asking the school . . . hmmmmmm.
 
“All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players.”
So enjoy the Drama.