Atheists Anonymous

A perennial topic that always gets me steamed. Baptist Planet wraps it up.

Perhaps also refugees from the war on Christmas, opponents of Asheville City Councilman Cecil Bothwell argued that he shouldn’t be seated because he’s an atheist. All reported by the Asheville Citizen-Times, which also explains that Article 6, section 8 of the state constitution (a bootless anachronism) says:

The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God.

The U.S. Constitution supersedes any and every state constitution where there are conflicts. There’s the First Amendment to consider, as well as Article VI, which says: “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

More good discussion here. Idiot theocrats.

If you haven't check out Baptist Planet, you should. They have the best coverage of the politics of religion I've seen.


Thanks for the link

That clause needs to be stricken from the state Constitution.

Atheist and NOT anonymous.

It comes up every year, but the Puritans in Raleigh

will never take it on because they're afraid of looking like lily-livered commies coddling heathens instead of responsible lawmakers who value the rule of law.

It's also ironic how the Libertarian crowd at the Puppetshow takes this in stride as well.

I almost wish...

...that the challenge to the swearing in of the atheist candidate would be more forceful so that it would go to the courts and the whole business could be removed from the state Constitution. While the current Supreme Court is no friend to the non-religious, I believe that even they would have enforce the supremacy clause in this case.

Thanks for that

Can I say "woody" here? :)

This is just surreal

Who in their right mind in America does not believe that "freedom of religion" also includes "freedom FROM religion".

What a ridiculous statute in NC if it does, in fact, exist.

Twilight Zone.

Vosswinkel v. Hunt, 1979

According to something I read, that case explicitly voided the religious test clause in the NC Constitution.

Maybe one of you legal beagles could confirm that.


The measure of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. - FDR

You can celebrate it all you want

The beauty of America is that I don't have to pay for can freely complain about paying for your celebration.

Wow !!

I did not expected that kind of response.

Look, my point was that at least currently we can celebrate Christmas if we want or NOT celebrate Christmas if we do not want to. Nothing more.

in any way we want.

I am sure there are governments (city, county, state, federal) that spend money on the Christmas tradition in America. That's another issue altogether.

in any way we want?

What if the way I want is to not have to support publicly funded religious celebrations?

I bring this up because it is the same issue as the swearing in language. Government is picking favorites when it comes to religion. It shouldn't do that.

It is like I said

Like I said Apex, that's another issue altogether. I know it can be lumped into a conversation about "freedom of religion", but I do not care to go there, to be honest.

You might be surprised how I feel on the issue of government funding of anything "religious". However, I support freedom of religion and in allowing people to individually celebrate their beliefs.

This is all I was saying. We might be better off letting this one go, actually.

If the U.S. Constitution doesn't do the trick

Just have Mr. Bothwell state, "I believe in Satan, the Almighty God." Or "I believe in the Great Darwin, Almighty God." Or, "I believe in Brian, either with the Judean People's Front or the People's Front of Judea, Almighty God." Or, as the late George Carlin would have said, "I believe in Joe Pesci, Almighty God."


"I believe in Joe Pesci,

"I believe in Joe Pesci, Almighty God."

Did you say "yoots?"

Another odd aspect of this case,

Edgerton, the guy who objects to Cecil being sworn in, is the former head of the NAACP. He is also a defender of the Confederate flag and Southern heritage.

Perhaps a couple more saving graces would be

that we don't have Jesse Helms (R-NC) to deal with and we actually went Blue in 2008. :)

I actively oppose gerrymandering. Do you?